Moving to Google Groups
After reading discussion over the weekend, let me clarify a few things. Google Groups functions as an email group, so the format of posting and receiving messages can be exactly the same as you're used to. In addition, you can read, search, and reply to messages online, something you couldn't do with our old email system. Nobody is required to use Google/Gmail to join the list. You can use any email address. And better yet, you can now control your own subscription - single message mode, digest, even set it to no email when you go on vacation. Or you could just read online if you prefer. Some people are having problems posting via email, just as has been the case with Maclaunch. Your email address has to match the subscribed one - most list servers won't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the same thing. If you have trouble posting, check the headers to see how your From: and Reply-to: are configured. There have been some objections to Google based on their willingness to provide a restricted search engine in China (among other countries) and abide by national laws rather than opt out of the Chinese market. If you want to boycott Google, consider that Apple Computer, General Motors, and most international businesses also elect to work within the constraints of Chinese law so they can reach the Chinese market and/or use Chinese labor. Neither Google nor the Chinese government puts any restrictions on the political views of participants of our email lists. We chose Google Groups because the provide a much more flexible service with greater user control than any of the mail list software we've run across. Further, politics is explicity listed as an area not to be debated on our lists, along with religion and Windows advocacy. We are building helpful Mac communities, so we try to avoid divisive issues. -- Dan Knight, president /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Cobweb Publishing, Inc.\ / No HTML/RTF in email http://cobwebpublishing.com X No Word docs in email http://lowendmac.com / \ Respect Open Standards http://reformed.net -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Moving to Google Groups
Hey, listmom! Quoting Dan Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- snip --- Dan Knight, president /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Cobweb Publishing, Inc.\ / No HTML/RTF in email http://cobwebpublishing.com X No Word docs in email http://lowendmac.com / \ Respect Open Standards http://reformed.net Now here's some real IRONY! Your decision to move lists to Google Groups now makes it possible for HTML to appear on the lists. Willi -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Moving to Google Groups
A while back, Doug McNutt wrote: So I went to Google. They want me to subscribe to essentially all of Google with a whole lot of verbiage to read and agree to. It's in a tiny scrolling window apparently purposely designed to be unreadable.. Given the resulting exposure to Google's filing system I'm not so sure I want to do that without a contract review by my lawyer. It may be so long. Sigh. It may well be sayonara for me too, since Google already knows too much about me even though I erase my Google cookie between nearly every query, or at least daily. I am not interested in intentionally populating Google's database with more information about me. Consider me very disappointed to see this move. Daniel -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
*Not* moving to Google Groups?
If anyone is interested in creating an alternative on Usenet to the new 680x0-Macs list on Google Groups, e-mail me off the list. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Moving to Google Groups
At 13:11 30/01/2006 -0500, you wrote: Hey, listmom! Now here's some real IRONY! Your decision to move lists to Google Groups now makes it possible for HTML to appear on the lists. Willi What it will cause problems with, if it is the same as other groups I'm on, is the people that opt for the digest version will have all that HTML stuff in their email Eddie -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Moving to Google Groups
on 1/30/06 2:03 PM, Doug McNutt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 13:37 -0500 1/30/06, Daniel wrote: I am not interested in intentionally populating Google's database with more information about me. I does appear that the Google groups can be used in the same way that Yahoo groups do. You can subscribe and control using the old-fashioned mail addresses. A blank message To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] does get processed. I discovered that ,when I went to sign up that way, Google already had my account set up. I donno who did that. No service agreement to sign. No divulging of personal information that wouldn't be cataloged by Google anyway. No requirement for a gmail address. Perhaps not but they always have the IP or Ethernet address of the computer, Mac or not, that they send info too. All Ethernet devices have a unique address and don't be naive and believe that the NSA et. al. doesn't record your every move on the internet whether it be web, email or whatever. Recently the government subpoenaed google, yahoo, AOL and MSN for all search query info in the name of prohibiting child pornography. Only google balked. And if you believe that's the government's only concern and they have no intention of breaching anybody's freedom, I have a bridge to sell you in Arizona. It crosses a dry wash near Tombstone. Lonely but at peace in my liberal mountain hideout in the wilderness of Idaho. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Moving to Google Groups
on 1/30/06 5:19 PM, Eddie Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 13:11 30/01/2006 -0500, you wrote: Hey, listmom! Now here's some real IRONY! Your decision to move lists to Google Groups now makes it possible for HTML to appear on the lists. Willi Can I receive the new version of the Google Vintage Mac List with MacWeb on my IIci running 6.0.8 or 7.1? Just curious. Lonely but at peace in my liberal mountain hideout in the wilderness of Idaho. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
