Re: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

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Ken Burkhalter wrote:

Thanks all for the feedback.  The strange thing is that I can ping the
server CPU just fine and fully access it from all other CPU's on my LAN (it
is the MediaCenter computer with all our music and pictures on it).

But for some reason VNC clients can not seem to get there.  I did not try
opening up other ports yet based on Andy's observation that the Gaming port
redirection on the router is for Internet side pass thrus and not LAN side
traffic, although I may try just for the heck of it and see what happens.

Any further thoughts anyone has would be much appreciated.  I have worked on
this for days and have become rather stumped (which seldom happens re:
computers as I am a retired IT guy).  Oh well, it helps to keep one on his
toes!

Thanks.

Ken Burkhalter
734-475-2306
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
-Original Message-
From: Andy and Lenore Etherington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:31 PM
To: Bryan Weaver; Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

I did nothing special, simply installed it from the distribution package.
set it up on all my computers (one xp home sp2 with all updates, 2 win 98).
I access them all from an xp professional sp2 machine. I have had winVNC,
real VNC, ultra VNC, and tight VNC servers on my systems, without any issues
with connection. I've settled on tight VNC 1.3dev7 as the server, and 1.2.9
for the viewer (for various reasons I can't use the newer viewer). wish I
had some magic words for you

Andy Etherington

  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Bryan Weaver
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:18 PM
To: Andy and Lenore Etherington; Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


I am having the same problem. My setup is as both you, Doyal 
Ken describe.
I am reluctant to open the ports for the same reasons you
mention. I take it
that you solved the issue without opening ports on your router.
Can you post
how you did that?

BTW, VNC worked perfectly prior to the installation of some of
the Microsoft
automatic updates. (I have Windows XP Home with SP2 installed. All updates
have been applied.)

Bryan Weaver

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Andy and Lenore Etherington
Sent: October 21, 2006 16:55 PM
To: Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


your setup almost exactly mirrors mine (wrt 54g backbone, 2 computers
wireless, one wired), but I don't have any ports open on the router. those
settings are for the internet-facing side of the router, and don't affect
the internal LAN operation. further, by opening the ports on the router,
you're probably exposing your VNC server to the internet, something you
probably don't want to do. my setup works fine without open
ports, I'd look
somewhere else for the answer.

Andy Etherington



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Doyal McVicker
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:48 PM
To: Ken Burkhalter
Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
Subject: Re: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


Dear Mr. Burkhalter,
I had a similar problem.  I found that I had to open the ports in the
Linksys router to allow the wireless connections to work.  I used the
Applications  Gamming settings to allow the ports to pass through.  I
opened port ranges 5900-5903, 5800-5803 and 5500 to 5503.  My system now
allows connections on the wireless to wired network to work. I
also open the
firewall to allow all ports connected to VNC to pass.  I have yet to
encounter any problems with the system.
Sincerely,
Doyal McVicker

- Original Message -
From: Ken Burkhalter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

  

I have installed VNC Server on a computer on my wireless LAN.  It is at
192.168.1.100.

I can ping that machine just fine from other computers on my


LAN but can
  

not
access the VNC server from any of the other computers located at
192.168.1.102, and 192.168.1.103.

All computers are running Windows XP-Home Edition and all are


fully up to
  

date with Service Packs.

I always get a Timeout Error

I have turned the (Standard XP) Firewall Off on the Server


computer, but it did not help.
  


The Network topology is:

 Internet
 |
   LinkSys WRT54GX2 Wireless RouterCPU1  CPU2
 |
VNC Server CPU



Where the | connections are hard wired and the  are wireless
connections.

I am attempting to reach the VNC Server from CPU1.

I have also set up

RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

2006-10-22 Thread Ken Burkhalter
Thanks all for the feedback.  The strange thing is that I can ping the
server CPU just fine and fully access it from all other CPU's on my LAN (it
is the MediaCenter computer with all our music and pictures on it).

But for some reason VNC clients can not seem to get there.  I did not try
opening up other ports yet based on Andy's observation that the Gaming port
redirection on the router is for Internet side pass thrus and not LAN side
traffic, although I may try just for the heck of it and see what happens.

Any further thoughts anyone has would be much appreciated.  I have worked on
this for days and have become rather stumped (which seldom happens re:
computers as I am a retired IT guy).  Oh well, it helps to keep one on his
toes!

Thanks.

Ken Burkhalter
734-475-2306
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
-Original Message-
From: Andy and Lenore Etherington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:31 PM
To: Bryan Weaver; Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

I did nothing special, simply installed it from the distribution package.
set it up on all my computers (one xp home sp2 with all updates, 2 win 98).
I access them all from an xp professional sp2 machine. I have had winVNC,
real VNC, ultra VNC, and tight VNC servers on my systems, without any issues
with connection. I've settled on tight VNC 1.3dev7 as the server, and 1.2.9
for the viewer (for various reasons I can't use the newer viewer). wish I
had some magic words for you

Andy Etherington

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Bryan Weaver
 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:18 PM
 To: Andy and Lenore Etherington; Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
 Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
 Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 I am having the same problem. My setup is as both you, Doyal 
 Ken describe.
 I am reluctant to open the ports for the same reasons you
 mention. I take it
 that you solved the issue without opening ports on your router.
 Can you post
 how you did that?

 BTW, VNC worked perfectly prior to the installation of some of
 the Microsoft
 automatic updates. (I have Windows XP Home with SP2 installed. All updates
 have been applied.)

 Bryan Weaver

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Andy and Lenore Etherington
 Sent: October 21, 2006 16:55 PM
 To: Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
 Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
 Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 your setup almost exactly mirrors mine (wrt 54g backbone, 2 computers
 wireless, one wired), but I don't have any ports open on the router. those
 settings are for the internet-facing side of the router, and don't affect
 the internal LAN operation. further, by opening the ports on the router,
 you're probably exposing your VNC server to the internet, something you
 probably don't want to do. my setup works fine without open
 ports, I'd look
 somewhere else for the answer.

 Andy Etherington

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of Doyal McVicker
  Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:48 PM
  To: Ken Burkhalter
  Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
  Subject: Re: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN
 
 
  Dear Mr. Burkhalter,
  I had a similar problem.  I found that I had to open the ports in the
  Linksys router to allow the wireless connections to work.  I used the
  Applications  Gamming settings to allow the ports to pass through.  I
  opened port ranges 5900-5903, 5800-5803 and 5500 to 5503.  My system now
  allows connections on the wireless to wired network to work. I
  also open the
  firewall to allow all ports connected to VNC to pass.  I have yet to
  encounter any problems with the system.
  Sincerely,
  Doyal McVicker
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Ken Burkhalter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 
  Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:08 AM
  Subject: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN
 
  I have installed VNC Server on a computer on my wireless LAN.  It is at
   192.168.1.100.
  
   I can ping that machine just fine from other computers on my
  LAN but can
   not
   access the VNC server from any of the other computers located at
   192.168.1.102, and 192.168.1.103.
  
   All computers are running Windows XP-Home Edition and all are
  fully up to
   date with Service Packs.
  
   I always get a Timeout Error
  
   I have turned the (Standard XP) Firewall Off on the Server
  computer, but it did not help.
  
  
  
   The Network topology is:
  
Internet
|
  LinkSys WRT54GX2 Wireless RouterCPU1  CPU2
|
   VNC Server CPU
  
  
  
   Where the | connections are hard wired and the  are wireless
   connections.
  
   I am attempting to reach the VNC Server from CPU1.
  
   I have also set up the router to forward

Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

2006-10-21 Thread Ken Burkhalter
I have installed VNC Server on a computer on my wireless LAN.  It is at
192.168.1.100.

 

I can ping that machine just fine from other computers on my LAN but can not
access the VNC server from any of the other computers located at
192.168.1.102, and 192.168.1.103.

 

All computers are running Windows XP-Home Edition and all are fully up to
date with Service Packs.

 

I always get a Timeout Error 

 

I have turned the (Standard XP) Firewall Off on the Server computer, but it
did not help.

 

The Network topology is:

  Internet

  |

LinkSys WRT54GX2 Wireless RouterCPU1  CPU2

  |

 VNC Server CPU

 

Where the | connections are hard wired and the  are wireless
connections.

 

I am attempting to reach the VNC Server from CPU1.

 

I have also set up the router to forward any requests for port 5900 to the
VNC computer.

 

Have read all posts I can find but unable to locate any that address this
issue.

 

Any ideas that might help me?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

[:-)

Ken Burkhalter

734-604-3585 [cell]

734-475-2306 [home]

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Re: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

2006-10-21 Thread Doyal McVicker

Dear Mr. Burkhalter,
I had a similar problem.  I found that I had to open the ports in the 
Linksys router to allow the wireless connections to work.  I used the 
Applications  Gamming settings to allow the ports to pass through.  I 
opened port ranges 5900-5903, 5800-5803 and 5500 to 5503.  My system now 
allows connections on the wireless to wired network to work. I also open the 
firewall to allow all ports connected to VNC to pass.  I have yet to 
encounter any problems with the system.

Sincerely,
Doyal McVicker

- Original Message - 
From: Ken Burkhalter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN



I have installed VNC Server on a computer on my wireless LAN.  It is at
192.168.1.100.



I can ping that machine just fine from other computers on my LAN but can 
not

access the VNC server from any of the other computers located at
192.168.1.102, and 192.168.1.103.



All computers are running Windows XP-Home Edition and all are fully up to
date with Service Packs.



I always get a Timeout Error



I have turned the (Standard XP) Firewall Off on the Server computer, but 
it

did not help.



The Network topology is:

 Internet

 |

   LinkSys WRT54GX2 Wireless RouterCPU1  CPU2

 |

VNC Server CPU



Where the | connections are hard wired and the  are wireless
connections.



I am attempting to reach the VNC Server from CPU1.



I have also set up the router to forward any requests for port 5900 to the
VNC computer.



Have read all posts I can find but unable to locate any that address this
issue.



Any ideas that might help me?



Thanks.







[:-)

Ken Burkhalter

734-604-3585 [cell]

734-475-2306 [home]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

2006-10-21 Thread Andy and Lenore Etherington
your setup almost exactly mirrors mine (wrt 54g backbone, 2 computers
wireless, one wired), but I don't have any ports open on the router. those
settings are for the internet-facing side of the router, and don't affect
the internal LAN operation. further, by opening the ports on the router,
you're probably exposing your VNC server to the internet, something you
probably don't want to do. my setup works fine without open ports, I'd look
somewhere else for the answer.

Andy Etherington

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Doyal McVicker
 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:48 PM
 To: Ken Burkhalter
 Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
 Subject: Re: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 Dear Mr. Burkhalter,
 I had a similar problem.  I found that I had to open the ports in the
 Linksys router to allow the wireless connections to work.  I used the
 Applications  Gamming settings to allow the ports to pass through.  I
 opened port ranges 5900-5903, 5800-5803 and 5500 to 5503.  My system now
 allows connections on the wireless to wired network to work. I
 also open the
 firewall to allow all ports connected to VNC to pass.  I have yet to
 encounter any problems with the system.
 Sincerely,
 Doyal McVicker

 - Original Message -
 From: Ken Burkhalter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:08 AM
 Subject: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 I have installed VNC Server on a computer on my wireless LAN.  It is at
  192.168.1.100.
 
 
 
  I can ping that machine just fine from other computers on my
 LAN but can
  not
  access the VNC server from any of the other computers located at
  192.168.1.102, and 192.168.1.103.
 
 
 
  All computers are running Windows XP-Home Edition and all are
 fully up to
  date with Service Packs.
 
 
 
  I always get a Timeout Error
 
 
 
  I have turned the (Standard XP) Firewall Off on the Server
 computer, but
  it
  did not help.
 
 
 
  The Network topology is:
 
   Internet
 
   |
 
 LinkSys WRT54GX2 Wireless RouterCPU1  CPU2
 
   |
 
  VNC Server CPU
 
 
 
  Where the | connections are hard wired and the  are wireless
  connections.
 
 
 
  I am attempting to reach the VNC Server from CPU1.
 
 
 
  I have also set up the router to forward any requests for port
 5900 to the
  VNC computer.
 
 
 
  Have read all posts I can find but unable to locate any that
 address this
  issue.
 
 
 
  Any ideas that might help me?
 
 
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  [:-)
 
  Ken Burkhalter
 
  734-604-3585 [cell]
 
  734-475-2306 [home]
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

2006-10-21 Thread Bryan Weaver
I am having the same problem. My setup is as both you, Doyal  Ken describe.
I am reluctant to open the ports for the same reasons you mention. I take it
that you solved the issue without opening ports on your router. Can you post
how you did that?

BTW, VNC worked perfectly prior to the installation of some of the Microsoft
automatic updates. (I have Windows XP Home with SP2 installed. All updates
have been applied.)

Bryan Weaver

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Andy and Lenore Etherington
Sent: October 21, 2006 16:55 PM
To: Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


your setup almost exactly mirrors mine (wrt 54g backbone, 2 computers
wireless, one wired), but I don't have any ports open on the router. those
settings are for the internet-facing side of the router, and don't affect
the internal LAN operation. further, by opening the ports on the router,
you're probably exposing your VNC server to the internet, something you
probably don't want to do. my setup works fine without open ports, I'd look
somewhere else for the answer.

Andy Etherington

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Doyal McVicker
 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:48 PM
 To: Ken Burkhalter
 Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
 Subject: Re: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 Dear Mr. Burkhalter,
 I had a similar problem.  I found that I had to open the ports in the
 Linksys router to allow the wireless connections to work.  I used the
 Applications  Gamming settings to allow the ports to pass through.  I
 opened port ranges 5900-5903, 5800-5803 and 5500 to 5503.  My system now
 allows connections on the wireless to wired network to work. I
 also open the
 firewall to allow all ports connected to VNC to pass.  I have yet to
 encounter any problems with the system.
 Sincerely,
 Doyal McVicker

 - Original Message -
 From: Ken Burkhalter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:08 AM
 Subject: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 I have installed VNC Server on a computer on my wireless LAN.  It is at
  192.168.1.100.
 
 
 
  I can ping that machine just fine from other computers on my
 LAN but can
  not
  access the VNC server from any of the other computers located at
  192.168.1.102, and 192.168.1.103.
 
 
 
  All computers are running Windows XP-Home Edition and all are
 fully up to
  date with Service Packs.
 
 
 
  I always get a Timeout Error
 
 
 
  I have turned the (Standard XP) Firewall Off on the Server
 computer, but
  it
  did not help.
 
 
 
  The Network topology is:
 
   Internet
 
   |
 
 LinkSys WRT54GX2 Wireless RouterCPU1  CPU2
 
   |
 
  VNC Server CPU
 
 
 
  Where the | connections are hard wired and the  are wireless
  connections.
 
 
 
  I am attempting to reach the VNC Server from CPU1.
 
 
 
  I have also set up the router to forward any requests for port
 5900 to the
  VNC computer.
 
 
 
  Have read all posts I can find but unable to locate any that
 address this
  issue.
 
 
 
  Any ideas that might help me?
 
 
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  [:-)
 
  Ken Burkhalter
 
  734-604-3585 [cell]
 
  734-475-2306 [home]
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN

2006-10-21 Thread Andy and Lenore Etherington
I did nothing special, simply installed it from the distribution package.
set it up on all my computers (one xp home sp2 with all updates, 2 win 98).
I access them all from an xp professional sp2 machine. I have had winVNC,
real VNC, ultra VNC, and tight VNC servers on my systems, without any issues
with connection. I've settled on tight VNC 1.3dev7 as the server, and 1.2.9
for the viewer (for various reasons I can't use the newer viewer). wish I
had some magic words for you

Andy Etherington

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Bryan Weaver
 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:18 PM
 To: Andy and Lenore Etherington; Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
 Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
 Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 I am having the same problem. My setup is as both you, Doyal 
 Ken describe.
 I am reluctant to open the ports for the same reasons you
 mention. I take it
 that you solved the issue without opening ports on your router.
 Can you post
 how you did that?

 BTW, VNC worked perfectly prior to the installation of some of
 the Microsoft
 automatic updates. (I have Windows XP Home with SP2 installed. All updates
 have been applied.)

 Bryan Weaver

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Andy and Lenore Etherington
 Sent: October 21, 2006 16:55 PM
 To: Doyal McVicker; Ken Burkhalter
 Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
 Subject: RE: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN


 your setup almost exactly mirrors mine (wrt 54g backbone, 2 computers
 wireless, one wired), but I don't have any ports open on the router. those
 settings are for the internet-facing side of the router, and don't affect
 the internal LAN operation. further, by opening the ports on the router,
 you're probably exposing your VNC server to the internet, something you
 probably don't want to do. my setup works fine without open
 ports, I'd look
 somewhere else for the answer.

 Andy Etherington

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of Doyal McVicker
  Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:48 PM
  To: Ken Burkhalter
  Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com
  Subject: Re: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN
 
 
  Dear Mr. Burkhalter,
  I had a similar problem.  I found that I had to open the ports in the
  Linksys router to allow the wireless connections to work.  I used the
  Applications  Gamming settings to allow the ports to pass through.  I
  opened port ranges 5900-5903, 5800-5803 and 5500 to 5503.  My system now
  allows connections on the wireless to wired network to work. I
  also open the
  firewall to allow all ports connected to VNC to pass.  I have yet to
  encounter any problems with the system.
  Sincerely,
  Doyal McVicker
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Ken Burkhalter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 
  Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:08 AM
  Subject: Unable to Connect to VNC server from within my LAN
 
 
  I have installed VNC Server on a computer on my wireless LAN.  It is at
   192.168.1.100.
  
  
  
   I can ping that machine just fine from other computers on my
  LAN but can
   not
   access the VNC server from any of the other computers located at
   192.168.1.102, and 192.168.1.103.
  
  
  
   All computers are running Windows XP-Home Edition and all are
  fully up to
   date with Service Packs.
  
  
  
   I always get a Timeout Error
  
  
  
   I have turned the (Standard XP) Firewall Off on the Server
  computer, but
   it
   did not help.
  
  
  
   The Network topology is:
  
Internet
  
|
  
  LinkSys WRT54GX2 Wireless RouterCPU1  CPU2
  
|
  
   VNC Server CPU
  
  
  
   Where the | connections are hard wired and the  are wireless
   connections.
  
  
  
   I am attempting to reach the VNC Server from CPU1.
  
  
  
   I have also set up the router to forward any requests for port
  5900 to the
   VNC computer.
  
  
  
   Have read all posts I can find but unable to locate any that
  address this
   issue.
  
  
  
   Any ideas that might help me?
  
  
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   [:-)
  
   Ken Burkhalter
  
   734-604-3585 [cell]
  
   734-475-2306 [home]
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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