Re: Biomass ethanol BEAMR
Science Daily Article. Link posted by Terry Blanton: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050422165917.htm "In their paper, the researchers explain that hydrogen production by bacterial fermentation is currently limited by the "fermentation barrier" -- the fact that bacteria, without a power boost, can only convert carbohydrates to a limited amount of hydrogen and a mixture of "dead end" fermentation end products such as acetic and butyric acids.However, giving the bacteria a small assist with a tiny amount of electricity -- about 0.25 volts or a small fraction of the voltage needed to run a typical 6 volt cell phone -- they can leap over the fermentation barrier and convert a "dead end" fermentation product, acetic acid, into carbon dioxide and hydrogen." Acetic acid ( vinegar, CH3-CO-OH) is the primary "fatty acid" produced in the rumen of cattle and other ruminants, along with some butyric etc. Fuel cell or bacterial oxidation of Ethanol forms Acetic acid and water (CH3 - CH2OH) + O2 CH3-CO-OH + H2O. So.. The MFC can be modified to run on Biomass-derived Ethanol, too. Frederick
RE: The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone
On Thu, 5 May 2005, John Steck wrote: doubt and replace it with hope. Worse yet, he managed to fleece a few of us too (not me so I must temper my indignation). Nah, I don't think he's into financial cons. I'm (almost entirely) convinced that he thinks SMOT could eventually work... so he takes the expedient of telling us that SMOT has already succeeded. But if true, this is enormous news, and we should all stop what we're doing and look at his videos and photos, question his eyewitnesses on the phone, ask for new videos of particular details of the machine in operation, even perhaps call in the press, pay for him to get a better camera and software, hire a local vortex staff member as an eyewitness and alternate opinion besides Greg, install web-connected instrumentation to observe the amazing event, etc. None of this can happen because there isn't even a single photo of the successful device, much less a video, much less a second person of whom we can ask questions. That's just so incredibly weird, it's unbelievable. Many other aspects are just as weird and inexplicable. But everything is completely explained by one simple method: if we imagine that Greg lied when he claimed success, then it all makes perfect sense, and all of his future actions are totally predictable. A person who is not after money can still be a con artist. If they create a web of lies, yet act friendly while lying right to your face... then they're winning your confidence and using it to manipulate you. There's no monetary ripoff, yet that's the very definition of confidence trickster or con game. If the SMOT can never work, then it's a very slimy ploy which wastes the time of hundreds of people and only because they all were lied to. I say good riddance. Maybe Newman will let him post to his list... add a couple of batteries to SMOT and he'll fit right in over there... 8^) The worst part is that it's difficult to prove the lies. What, should someone show up on his ex-wife's doorstep and ask for her side? (Maybe he doesn't even have an ex-wife, maybe Greg Watson has always been a very bored sixteen year old girl in Hong Kong with a nasty sense of humor and some skill at fabricating online personas.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: SMOT
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Nick Palmer wrote: inconvenience... If Greg is wrong about the SMOT then he is more likely to be deluded rather than an out and out conman. Does being deluded include building SMOT and RMOD closed-loop devices and then hallucinating that they're running? That's not fooling oneself. That's psychosis. Maybe he's that crazy, but I put my money on either SMOT being real (5% chance) or Greg simply lying in order to get others to do the work for him (95% chance.) If the SMOT things really worked, then Greg would have piles of evidence, perhaps in the form of eyewitness accounts of numerous people we could call, perhaps in the form of photos and video in the posession of people who would sell. Here's an idea: since fake evidence takes work, and to fool people the fake evidence has to be good, total lack of evidence screams fraud. An operating closed-loop SMOT would be difficult to PROVE even if one had piles of evidence. But if no closed-loop SMOT ever ran, then suspicion of fraud would be very difficult to prevent, since any evidence would take some work to manufacture. If some evidence existed, it wouldn't be proof, and most people might still be leery of fraud. But if numerous tiny bits of poor evidence existed (blurry photos and unreliable eyewitnesses) then suspicion of fraud would be quite low. I think anyone should be concentrating on what he originally called the RMOD which he claimed turned for days but eventually suffered bearing failure. He has even uploaded a couple of drawings of this RMOD to his site. I think we should drop all SMOT stuff as a waste of time unlss there is a tiny trace of evidence that Greg's claims were real. Greg can give out a long list of friends who we can question as eyewitnesses to the original event. But if SMOT never ran, then even the eyewitnesses would be a major undertaking in a hoax campaign. Of course, anyone who disagrees is free to pursue SMOT in depth on Greg's yahoo group. If they have success, I'll be happy to have lost the big chance to be part of it. I take responsibility for deciding that even weak fuzzy indications of dishonesty become very serious matters when they're long running and never varying. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone
I'll stop picking on Greg, but what I find amusing is that he doesn't assign any belief to the idea that the Finsrud device works. He suspects it's using a spring. If I had achieved SMOT success, then, by far and away, I would immediately suspect that Finsrud had stumbled upon the same principle that I had. Behold! Someone else has discovered this strange magnetic anomaly! Yet Greg can't believe it either. Craig Haynie
2.7 M ft^2 of Si
in the largest solar array ever built: http://www.guardian.co.uk/renewable/Story/0,2763,1477722,00.html
Re: Biomass ethanol BEAMR
Frederick Sparber wrote: Acetic acid ( vinegar, CH3-CO-OH) is the primary fatty acid produced in the rumen of cattle and other ruminants, along with some butyric etc. With the modified e coli maybe we can get them to belch hydrogen and udder ethanol! eat mor chikin
Re: Off Topic: Matt Druge
Akira, Sounds like you have a computer problem, and that you are getting your cache of the site over and over (or are you misspelling the URL ??) There is no problem with the Drudge website, http://www.drudgereport.com/ other than an occasionally disguised Fox/Bush/neo-Con bias, which I find somewhat amusing from a supposedly unbiased yellow-journalist, who desperately wants to be taken seriously. Jones - Original Message - From: Akira Kawasaki To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Off Topic: Matt Druge May 7, 2005 Vortex, I visit the Drudge Reports website frequently for misc. news and links to other news outlets and commentators. I see that his website has not been updated daily at all for a solid week. So does anybody know what has happened? To me, it looks like he fell ill but no news hat I am aware of.
Re: Off Topic: Matt Druge
you didnt hear? he finally came out of the closet, and announcing he was taking a break for a while as he sorted out who he really was. and for amusing links, may i suggest fark.com. im part of the pay site, totalfark, and we routinely have stories before drudge, except his leaked exclusives which are usually about as accurate as the amazing bat boy. if you remember the faked soldier kidnapping story, we had someoen posting the pics of the doll in box about 5 minutes after the ap broke the story, before cnn even had it up, and we all laughed for the next two hours before drudge finally posted it (the link haveing been sent to him by me and 6 other people) and teh next 3 after that before the big boys realized they were being played. On 5/7/05, Akira Kawasaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May 7, 2005 Vortex, I visit the Drudge Reports website frequently for misc. news and links to other news outlets and commentators. I see that his website has not been updated daily at all for a solid week. So does anybody know what has happened? To me, it looks like he fell ill but no news hat I am aware of. -ak0 -- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write Voltaire
Re: CF demonstrations COPY 2?
At 10:39 AM 5/6/2005, Jed Rothwell wrote: [I sent this before but it did not come back to me. This version has a few corrections] Mitchell Swartz wrote: There have been no LENR demos! Demos may not even be possible. Utter nonsense. JET Thermal Products gave an open demonstration of a robust cold fusion Phusor system at MIT for a week at ICCF10. Good point. I forgot about that one. I do not think it convinced many people, because the calorimetry is so exotic, Not true at all. In fact, the calorimetry was not exotic - it was simple with two cells in electrical series [the cold fusion device and the ohmic control]. It is only seen as 'exotic' by those who do not use controls and eschew their (logical and requisite) use. For this lower power demonstration system at MIT, http://world.std.com/~mica/jeticcf10demo.html which was in part encouraged by the late Dr. Eugene Mallove, the calorimetry was necessarily simple, and taken care of with full controls. Two identical volumes were compared, and they were wired in electrical series. One contained an ohmic control and the other contained the cold fusion Phusor device in heavy water. For approximately half the power to the cold fusion system, there resulted approximately twice the delta-T in the cold fusion Phusor device (and its surrounding water) compared to the ohmic control (and its surrounding water). BTW, the purpose of the low power demonstration system was to demonstrate in a single afternoon the optimal operating point of these systems. That was accomplished. More on this at: http://world.std.com/~mica/jet.html The publication on the demonstration itself is: Swartz. M., Can a Pd/D2O/Pt Device be Made Portable to Demonstrate the Optimal Operating Point?, ICCF-10 (Camb. MA), Proceedings of ICCF-10, (2003). The publications on theoptimal operating point of these systems include: Swartz. M., G. Verner, Excess Heat from Low Electrical Conductivity Heavy Water Spiral-Wound Pd/D2O/Pt and Pd/D2O-PdCl2/Pt Devices, ICCF-10 (Camb. MA), Proceedings of ICCF-10, (2003) Swartz. M., Photoinduced Excess Heat from Laser-Irradiated Electrically-Polarized Palladium Cathodes in D2O, ICCF-10 (Camb. MA), Proceedings of ICCF-10, (2003). Swartz. M., Generality of Optimal Operating Point Behavior in Low Energy Nuclear Systems, Journal of New Energy, 4, 2, 218-228 (1999) Swartz. M., G. Verner, A. Frank, H. Fox Importance of Non-dimensional Numbers and Optimal Operating Points in Cold Fusion, Journal of New Energy, 4, 2, 215-217 (1999) Swartz, M, Optimal Operating Point Characteristics of Nickel Light Water Experiments, Proceedings of ICCF-7 (1998) Swartz. M., Consistency of the Biphasic Nature of Excess Enthalpy in Solid State Anomalous Phenomena with the Quasi-1-Dimensional Model of Isotope Loading into a Material, Fusion Technology, 31, 63-74 (1997) Swartz. M., Biphasic Behavior in Thermal Electrolytic Generators Using Nickel Cathodes, IECEC 1997 Proceedings, paper #97009 (1997) with the background continuum electromechanics (applied to loading) here: Swartz, M., Isotopic Fuel Loading Coupled To Reactions At An Electrode, Fusion Technology, 26, 4T, 74-77 (1994) Swartz. M., Generalized Isotopic Fuel Loading Equations Cold Fusion Source Book, International Symposium On Cold Fusion And Advanced Energy Systems. Ed. Hal Fox, Minsk, Belarus (1994) Swartz, M., Quasi-One-Dimensional Model of Electrochemical Loading of Isotopic Fuel into a Metal, Fusion Technology, 22, 2, 296-300 (1992) === But then these demonstations were of overunity cold fusion systems. By contrast, the (misnamed) LENR probably cannot give a similar demonstation. ;-)X What is the difference between overunity cold fusion systems and LENR? As far as I know the two mean exactly the same thing. Cold fusion systems use lattices such as palladium, nickel and titanium to produce nuclear products and heat. The (lattice) heat results from the HIGH ENERGY of the first excited state, such as the He4* state, that results before the HIGH ENERGY is redistributed to the lattice by the plethora of phonons and polarons. Cold fusion is high energy, involving nuclear states which then collapse as the lattice takes the energy, which appears as excess energy and heat. More on this at http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html More on cold fusion at the upcoming 2005 Cold Fusion Colloquium at MIT. http://world.std.com/~mica/colloq.html 'LENR' is more amorphous, perhaps because it was in part an attempt to avoid the use of the words: 'cold fusion'. Anyway, it now also encompasses phenomena which have far less to zero credibility, of which a long list could be given from rotating water machines to putative biological transmutation. Mitchell Swartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr. Mitchell Swartz JET Thermal
RE: CF demonstrations
Hi Mitchell, A few thoughts about what I can find on the site. You don't mention current, but presumably it's in the .1 to 10 ma range? With the high voltages you use, I also assume that you're not using a salt of any kind, this to explain the rather localized electrolysis you note on the cathode and high solution resistivity. In my experience such circuits tend to concentrate losses in the electrolyte, have you made half potential measurements to determine the cathode drop? It strikes me that a lot of power in this system is just being spent heating the electrolyte and not driving the CF reaction. By the way, when I wrote earlier: That's tenacity! Not very practical, but I salute you all the same... I just wanted to make clear that the not very practical referred to legal practicality of the design patent, not to the actual instrument being described. I look forward to seeing this circuit in operation. K. -Original Message- From: Mitchell Swartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 6:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CF demonstrations At 10:39 AM 5/6/2005, Jed Rothwell wrote: There have been no LENR demos! Demos may not even be possible. Utter nonsense. JET Thermal Products gave an open demonstration of a robust cold fusion Phusor system at MIT for a week at ICCF10. Good point. I forgot about that one. I do not think it convinced many people, because the calorimetry is so exotic, Not true at all. In fact, the calorimetry was not exotic - it was simple with two cells in electrical series [the cold fusion device and the ohmic control]. It is only seen as 'exotic' by those who do not use controls and eschew their (logical and requisite) use. For this lower power demonstration system at MIT, http://world.std.com/~mica/jeticcf10demo.html which was in part encouraged by the late Dr. Eugene Mallove, the calorimetry was necessarily simple, and taken care of with full controls. Two identical volumes were compared, and they were wired in electrical series. One contained an ohmic control and the other contained the cold fusion Phusor device in heavy water. For approximately half the power to the cold fusion system, there resulted approximately twice the delta-T in the cold fusion Phusor device (and its surrounding water) compared to the ohmic control (and its surrounding water). BTW, the purpose of the low power demonstration system was to demonstrate in a single afternoon the optimal operating point of these systems. That was accomplished. More on this at: http://world.std.com/~mica/jet.html The publication on the demonstration itself is: Swartz. M., Can a Pd/D2O/Pt Device be Made Portable to Demonstrate the Optimal Operating Point?, ICCF-10 (Camb. MA), Proceedings of ICCF-10, (2003). The publications on theoptimal operating point of these systems include: Swartz. M., G. Verner, Excess Heat from Low Electrical Conductivity Heavy Water Spiral-Wound Pd/D2O/Pt and Pd/D2O-PdCl2/Pt Devices, ICCF-10 (Camb. MA), Proceedings of ICCF-10, (2003) Swartz. M., Photoinduced Excess Heat from Laser-Irradiated Electrically-Polarized Palladium Cathodes in D2O, ICCF-10 (Camb. MA), Proceedings of ICCF-10, (2003). Swartz. M., Generality of Optimal Operating Point Behavior in Low Energy Nuclear Systems, Journal of New Energy, 4, 2, 218-228 (1999) Swartz. M., G. Verner, A. Frank, H. Fox Importance of Non-dimensional Numbers and Optimal Operating Points in Cold Fusion, Journal of New Energy, 4, 2, 215-217 (1999) Swartz, M, Optimal Operating Point Characteristics of Nickel Light Water Experiments, Proceedings of ICCF-7 (1998) Swartz. M., Consistency of the Biphasic Nature of Excess Enthalpy in Solid State Anomalous Phenomena with the Quasi-1-Dimensional Model of Isotope Loading into a Material, Fusion Technology, 31, 63-74 (1997) Swartz. M., Biphasic Behavior in Thermal Electrolytic Generators Using Nickel Cathodes, IECEC 1997 Proceedings, paper #97009 (1997) with the background continuum electromechanics (applied to loading) here: Swartz, M., Isotopic Fuel Loading Coupled To Reactions At An Electrode, Fusion Technology, 26, 4T, 74-77 (1994) Swartz. M., Generalized Isotopic Fuel Loading Equations Cold Fusion Source Book, International Symposium On Cold Fusion And Advanced Energy Systems. Ed. Hal Fox, Minsk, Belarus (1994) Swartz, M., Quasi-One-Dimensional Model of Electrochemical Loading of Isotopic Fuel into a Metal, Fusion Technology, 22, 2, 296-300 (1992) === But then these demonstations were of overunity cold fusion systems. By contrast, the (misnamed) LENR probably cannot give a similar demonstation. ;-)X What is the difference between overunity cold fusion systems and LENR? As far as I know the two mean exactly the same thing. Cold fusion systems use lattices such as palladium, nickel and titanium to produce nuclear products
Re: The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone
Craig wrote: I'll stop picking on Greg, but what I find amusing is that he doesn't assign any belief to the idea that the Finsrud device works. He suspects it's using a spring. If I had achieved SMOT success, then, by far and away, I would immediately suspect that Finsrud had stumbled upon the same principle that I had. Behold! Someone else has discovered this strange magnetic anomaly! Yet Greg can't believe it either. Bingo! I hadn't picked up on that, but you're right. This would seem to make it virtually certain that Greg is a conscious liar rather than a fool who believes he's found something real and is just stretching his story a bit to include work he hasn't quite finished. In any case I've known other people like Greg, who fabricated complex and apparently self-consistent stories involving purported hard evidence (such as videos) which somehow can never actually be shown for reasons which become more arcane as one pushes on them. The assertion that he's doing that is extremely easy to believe and doesn't seem especially improbable. The disappearing witnesses were a mistake in his story, of course, as they're harder to explain away than the missing video or the apparatus which worked but, strangely, no longer exists and can't be rebuilt.
