Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif
On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Agreed. I think the misunderstanding arises from Robin talking about the field _inside_ the disk, and the two of us talking about the field _near_ the disk, i.e. that felt by matter ejected out of the disk thickness. Michel This is true. I am talking about an idealized situation, a planar charge (mass) of uniform density rho, and the field immediately surrounding it and generated by it. However, a thin disk of approximately uniform density approximates this. Matter passing through the z axis of an x-y plane disc of finite thickness will see a reducing z axis field which reaches a minimum of zero at z=0. Matter that remains close to a thin disk, except when passing through the disc, will see an approximately uniform z axis field that produces periodic motion about the plane of the disk. In the case of a thin but finitely thick disc of uniform density the local fields near the disk overwhelm the more remotely generated fields, even out a radial distance that is a fairly good percentage of the disc diameter away from the center of the disc. Such a disc then approximates an infinite plane. The closer you are to the center of a plane segment without being within the plane the closer it approximates an infinite plane. Except at the periphery, the boundary, the closer you are to a thin disk without being within the disk the closer it approximates an infinite plane. The radial field of a thin uniform disc, just outside the disk, but not out near the radial periphery of the disk, is small in comparison to the z axis field. It is the material that moves in the z axis with respect to the disk that would end up in a polar jet by a slingshot scenario, and which would approach a central black hole from a polar direction. Material approaching a black hole in the plane of its spin would not end up in a jet via a sligshot mechanism, unless perturbed by material having a z axis component, but maybe could by a compression scenario. That's my impression anyway. It is coincidental perhaps the solar system is currently passing through the plane of the Milky Way, though the Milky way has an arm structure and is thus not a planar disk. We are in a galaxy colliding with the Milky Way, so the mechanics of our future motion is complex and possibly chaotic. A near pass with another star or stars could send us in most any direction. This is not a comforting thought. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:The Perepetia Generator
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:15:01 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:02:15 -0400, you wrote: Mark Iverson wrote: I haven't seen any mention of Thane Heins' Perepetia Generator yet, which really surprises me... Too much watchin' the ladies at the Dime Box Saloon and not payin attention to the fun stuff? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3280 http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins I've been following this thread almost since it began, and it's really quite fascinating... They have been set up in the Univ of Ottowa for about a year, and now have a decent idea of what's happening... in Thane's own words below! /Mark / --- YOU HAVE A HV COIL WITH A VERY HIGH IMPEDANCE - SO VIRTUALLY NO CURRENT FLOWS - WHEN A ROTOR MAGNET APPROACHES IT, IT STORES ITS ENERGY IN THE ELECTROSTATIC FIELD LIKE A CAPACITOR. Sorry, electrostatic field between what and what? --- The capacitance between the insulated turns, (thewinding capacitance) with will store charge when there's a voltage difference between the turns. Any inductor will act like a self-resonant circuit when: 1 f = - 2pi sqrt LC where f is the resonant frequency, in Hertz, L is the inductance of the winding, in Farads, and C is the winding capacitance. --- Aaarghhh!!! L is the inductance of the winding in henrys, and C is the winding capacitance in farads. JF
[Vo]:Volanter Takeoff
Looks like Paul Moller is finally in production: http://www.livescience.com/technology/081010-sb-flying-car.html and flying high on ethanol. Terry
Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif
On Oct 14, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: I agree on all points except your coincidental remark that We are in a galaxy colliding with the Milky Way, isn't the Milky Way our galaxy (as etymology indicates) any more? Michel We are a member of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy, which is now colliding with the Milky Way. Our solar system takes a polar route over the top of the Milky Way. See: http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html We are from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now. This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way, Majewski said. Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors. The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death. After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer, said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system. We are now also a member of the milky way, but ... we are the aliens. The above article describes what I think to be secondary effects from numerous meteor hits and gas accumulation effects, exactly what one would expect from an incoming (at a much higher relative velocity than expected due to intergalactic interaction) Nemesis cloud, laced with a few big chunks. The Nemesis cloud is possibly the Milky Way itself. I almost had it right: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Nemesis.pdf Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Blacklight Power web site
Looks to me as if the front page at Blacklight Power has been recently updated with a new graphic that visually reveals the BlackLight solid fuel recycling process. The graphic shows a core component that presumably fits inside the cylindrical cooling jacket, where the exotic recycling process unfolds. This is just a guess on my part but I'll assume this simplified graphic reflects (in the most broadest terms) the latest brain storming from BLP's engineers. I hope it also reflects an attitude of continued positive expectations - that the team feels they remain on-schedule for the most part. I still think it's going to take longer than Dr. Mill's original prediction of 12 - 18 months to pull the rabbit out of the hat. I would love to be proven wrong! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif
This theory seems to be a hoax based on out of context extracts from real scientific papers. It was debunked here: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy/ Note the above debunking is not devoid of flaws either, e.g. it asserts that the solar system orbits in the galactic plane, whereas it is well known that it bobs up and down significantly around that ideal orbit. This bobbing motion is believed to have caused most mass extinctions BTW (the galactic plane we cross twice per bobbing period being very crowded with putative colliders/perturbators). Michel 2008/10/14 Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Oct 14, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: I agree on all points except your coincidental remark that We are in a galaxy colliding with the Milky Way, isn't the Milky Way our galaxy (as etymology indicates) any more? Michel We are a member of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy, which is now colliding with the Milky Way. Our solar system takes a polar route over the top of the Milky Way. See: http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html We are from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now. This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way, Majewski said. Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors. The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death. After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer, said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system. We are now also a member of the milky way, but ... we are the aliens. The above article describes what I think to be secondary effects from numerous meteor hits and gas accumulation effects, exactly what one would expect from an incoming (at a much higher relative velocity than expected due to intergalactic interaction) Nemesis cloud, laced with a few big chunks. The Nemesis cloud is possibly the Milky Way itself. I almost had it right: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Nemesis.pdf Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:The Perepetia Generator
so whats the vort take on thane heins's machine working against lenz law? 2008/10/14 John Fields [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:15:01 -0500, you wrote: -- :) I GoodSearch for Wilhelm Reich Infant Trust Foundation (Rangeley, Maine) by using http://www.goodsearch.com/ . Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif
On Oct 14, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: This theory seems to be a hoax based on out of context extracts from real scientific papers. It was debunked here: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/27/is-the- sun-from-another-galaxy/ Interesting! Thanks for the reference. I didn't know there was a dispute at all. I originally got the reference to the article from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/ which is fairly reliable. Curious the dispute seems to be centered as much on the cause of global warming as on the underlying astronomy. Also of interest may be the fact that gravimagnetism, assuming it exists, tends to ensure that the spins of long existing bodies which are subject to tidal effects will necessarily tend to align with and reinforce the local galactic gravimagnetic field. Note the above debunking is not devoid of flaws either, e.g. it asserts that the solar system orbits in the galactic plane, whereas it is well known that it bobs up and down significantly around that ideal orbit. This bobbing motion is believed to have caused most mass extinctions BTW (the galactic plane we cross twice per bobbing period being very crowded with putative colliders/perturbators). Michel Yes, and I believe we now are in the galactic plane, crossing the plane, of the Milky Way at this time. There seems to be some degree of doubt as to the velocity of the solar system. Here is yet another article which might be controversial: http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/Pre2001/V03NO2PDF/V03N2MON.PDF http://tinyurl.com/3ufm69 It gives: v_o = 359 ± 180 km/s in the direction of right ascension alpha_o = 8.7 ± 3.5h and declination delta_o= –1.1 ± 10.0°. It is a doubtful article because it suggests an absolute velocity can be determined by muon decay anisotropy, i.e. by the cosmic ray muon gammas. Perhaps they just mean absolute relative to some normative source of cosmic rays within the Milky Way. The table at the end of the article seems to me to show a wide range of directions though. In any case the absolute velocity of the solar system is complicated by the apparently absolute velocity of the Milky Way. See: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CMB-dipole-history.html http://tinyurl.com/4t3ssp The following apparently reliable source gives the coordinates for the center of the Milky Way as Right Ascension 21:12.0, Declination +48:19: http://seds.org/messier/more/mw.html http://tinyurl.com/52lqzd The Milky Way and neighboring galaxies are thought to be moving in the general direction of the Great Attractor: Right Ascension: 243 53 12, Declination: 64 S 55: http://www.philipsedgwick.com/Galactic/GreatAttractor.htm http://tinyurl.com/5xauj It might take some work to sort all this out. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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Some here will remember the great vortexian (yep I use the term vortexian here because he graduated from the U of Houston) Frank Stenger. Here is one of his latest achievements: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF7NxVcg3jY It is difficult to believe what a rusted mess of damaged parts this antique oil field engine came from. This is real tour de force for any mechanical engineer, a work of art, but probably one only a connoisseur of such things can appreciate. The sound signature of these things appears to be highly varied and unique to a machine. It is quite amazing to me how many of them are being restored and can be viewed on YouTube. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:08:35 -0800: Hi, [snip] I disagree. You are ignoring the 1/r^2 nature of gravity or electrostatic charge. The field near a line charge is 1/r normal to the line. The field near a plane charge is uniform and normal to the plane. The closer you get to a finite line or plane segment the closer it approximates an infinite line or plane. [snip] Consider the attached diagram. With the exception of C (for Center), all letters label intersections. The line segment DF is perpendicular to the radial line segment BC. Let there be a test mass at A. We examine the component of the gravitational forces within the plane for the moment. The arc segment DEF is a mirror image of DBF about the line segment DF. The forces acting on A within the plane due to the two segments DEFAD and DBFAD exactly cancel, because these two regions have the same area (uniform thickness of the disc is assumed). The rest of the mass of the disc, excluding these two segments, is all to the left of A. Hence there is a net force acting on A, pulling it to the left. This remains valid if A is outside the plane of the disk. It only ceases to be true when A is exactly on the axis of the disc, at which point the two segments each comprise half the area of the disc. Of course, the attractive force exerted by the mass of the disc also has a component normal to the plane, and the combination of the two vectors (in the plane and normal to the plane), produces the total force acting on the test mass. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] attachment: segements.gif
