[Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
Dear Vortex Collective,

Someone, without my authorization, leaked my email to Randy Hekman since
today I got a spam from him. I am posting this here because given his
recent comments on cold fusion, I suspect someone in one of the CF website
gave him my email.

Getting spam is bad, but getting one that I qualify as a neocon (and trying
to not use Goldwin's law) pisses me off much more. So, just to make sure, I
marked his email as a phishing scam rather than spam.

-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Akira Shirakawa

On 2011-12-31 15:56, Daniel Rocha wrote:

Someone, without my authorization, leaked my email to Randy Hekman since
today I got a spam from him. I am posting this here because given his
recent comments on cold fusion, I suspect someone in one of the CF
website gave him my email.


I received one too several hours ago.
I suspect the same happened for all other active vortex-l users.

Cheers,
S.A.



[Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread fznidarsic
Jean Mallove made some predictions some years back and missed the mark by a 
wide margin.  I have been waiting a long time for something to happen.  What 
see you next year?


Frank Znidarsic


Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Last Chance - Submit Your Nominations NOW

2011-12-31 Thread fznidarsic
Oh darn, excluded again!



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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Last Chance - Submit Your Nominations NOW


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Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
I have a personal prediction. This year I will be sure about Rossi's or
Defkalions motives. If by October 31st no 3rd party comes forward
confirming and convincing skeptics about the ownership of a device, I will
stop believe them both.

2011/12/31 fznidar...@aol.com

 Jean Mallove made some predictions some years back and missed the mark by
 a wide margin.  I have been waiting a long time for something to happen.
  What see you next year?

  Frank Znidarsic




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread fznidarsic
My predictions


Jed will write a lot more good stuff
Rossi will go into hiding
Blacklight Power will say nothing
Frank Znidarsic and Mary Hugo will get married


Frank
 


[Vo]:Defkalion's New Theory

2011-12-31 Thread Robert
http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24t=640p=5074#p5074

Defkalion's secret to breaking the Coulomb-barrier is... (drum roll, 
please)..., Chuck Norris.

Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:


 Getting spam is bad, but getting one that I qualify as a neocon (and
 trying to not use Goldwin's law) pisses me off much more. So, just to make
 sure, I marked his email as a phishing scam rather than spam.


Don't do that! He will get in trouble with Gmail. They will block him.

The guy is running for office. That is very difficult in the U.S. It takes
a lot of money and hard work. Someone working for him added your e-mail
address to his list. Please cut him some slack. I see you use gmail, so
just use ordinary gmail procedures to automatically delete his messages:

Select message
Select: More (top right of screen)
Select: Filter messages like this, Create filter, Delete it

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jed, I used the past. I had done it when I posted that message. I am sorry,
but I don't like the US government or military morals. I don't support any
of them because of all their horrible actions for the last 100 years
(except for the WWII, until Hiroshima and Nagasaki). Supporting someone
that wants to help this monster alive instead of changing for better it is
asking me too much.

2011/12/31 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:


 Getting spam is bad, but getting one that I qualify as a neocon (and
 trying to not use Goldwin's law) pisses me off much more. So, just to make
 sure, I marked his email as a phishing scam rather than spam.


 Don't do that! He will get in trouble with Gmail. They will block him.

 The guy is running for office. That is very difficult in the U.S. It takes
 a lot of money and hard work. Someone working for him added your e-mail
 address to his list. Please cut him some slack. I see you use gmail, so
 just use ordinary gmail procedures to automatically delete his messages:

 Select message
 Select: More (top right of screen)
 Select: Filter messages like this, Create filter, Delete it

 - Jed




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:


 Supporting someone that wants to help this monster alive instead of
 changing for better it is asking me too much.


No one is asking you to do anything. Some overworked volunteer campaign
staff person added your name to a mailing list. You should tell them to
remove your name, or take a moment to add the message to your gmail
auto-delete file. What you should *not* do is report them to Google for
phishing, because that will get them into trouble. All of their outgoing
mail will be censored. It is tough to get Google to undo a block once they
put it in place.

Stop making a mountain out of molehill.

I disagree with Hekman's politics but it would be a shame for you to
torpedo the first political campaign in history that features support for
cold fusion. Let's see how far he can go with that as his signature issue.

- Jed


RE: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Frank sez:

 My predictions
 Jed will write a lot more good stuff 
 Rossi will go into hiding
 Blacklight Power will say nothing
 Frank Znidarsic and Mary Hugo will get married

Err... Yugo?

Frank,

You have my deepest sympathies.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



RE: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Robert Leguillon
More than likely, the website just has some really decent tracking software. It 
wouldn't be all that surprising for the National GOP to outfit campaign 
websites with quality snooping software. 
If a website can hijack e-mail accounts on a single click, it's not that 
difficult to fathom that it could acquire an e-mail address for advertising 
reasons. 
Since A.S. had the same issue, I would presume it was auto-generated. I'd bet 
they're both using the same browser, FWIW, and the site is exploiting a common 
vulnerability.

Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:07:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: 
Supporting someone that wants to help this monster alive instead of changing 
for better it is asking me too much.
No one is asking you to do anything. Some overworked volunteer campaign staff 
person added your name to a mailing list. You should tell them to remove your 
name, or take a moment to add the message to your gmail auto-delete file. What 
you should not do is report them to Google for phishing, because that will get 
them into trouble. All of their outgoing mail will be censored. It is tough to 
get Google to undo a block once they put it in place.

Stop making a mountain out of molehill.
I disagree with Hekman's politics but it would be a shame for you to torpedo 
the first political campaign in history that features support for cold fusion. 
Let's see how far he can go with that as his signature issue.

- Jed

  

Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Peter Gluck
Spam is an insoluble problem I have studied it from 1994 and later
systematically in the 488 weekly issues of my newsletter. I  remember when
Bill Gates still active at Microsoft has promised to liquidate spam in two
years. He failed. I am contented with the spam filter of Gmail.
But if a message comes from somebody unknown
the best is to delete it.
The Web is a very dangerous place. Terra incognita- hic hackers and spammers

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Robert Leguillon 
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:

 More than likely, the website just has some really decent tracking
 software. It wouldn't be all that surprising for the National GOP to outfit
 campaign websites with quality snooping software.
 If a website can hijack e-mail accounts on a single click, it's not that
 difficult to fathom that it could acquire an e-mail address for advertising
 reasons.
 Since A.S. had the same issue, I would presume it was auto-generated. I'd
 bet they're both using the same browser, FWIW, and the site is exploiting a
 common vulnerability.

 --
 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:07:51 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman
 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com


 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:


 Supporting someone that wants to help this monster alive instead of
 changing for better it is asking me too much.


 No one is asking you to do anything. Some overworked volunteer campaign
 staff person added your name to a mailing list. You should tell them to
 remove your name, or take a moment to add the message to your gmail
 auto-delete file. What you should *not* do is report them to Google for
 phishing, because that will get them into trouble. All of their outgoing
 mail will be censored. It is tough to get Google to undo a block once they
 put it in place.

 Stop making a mountain out of molehill.

 I disagree with Hekman's politics but it would be a shame for you to
 torpedo the first political campaign in history that features support for
 cold fusion. Let's see how far he can go with that as his signature issue.

 - Jed




-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


RE: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Jones Beene

Sympathy not required ... This is a brilliant strategic partnership g 

Since Wind energy is part of the aforementioned contest, this union with
Hugo is a sure bet for FZ ...
 

-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 

Frank sez:

 My predictions
 Jed will write a lot more good stuff 
 Rossi will go into hiding
 Blacklight Power will say nothing
 Frank Znidarsic and Mary Hugo will get married

Err... Yugo?

Frank,

You have my deepest sympathies.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

attachment: winmail.dat

[Vo]:

2011-12-31 Thread Peter Gluck
I am very curious what will we read about this story on December
31, 2012.
I wish the coming year should be as interesting as 2011, but the crop
of certainties should be much greater.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-12/30/cold-fusion-rival


Happy New Year, Vortexians!
See you tomorrow on my Blog.

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Michele Comitini
Daniel,

It could be that Hekman is subscribed to the Vortex.  He himself or
his staff simply takes any email address from his MUA  and spams them
all.  This is a very uneducated way of using the Internet.  I hope for
him there is a way to get off his spam list with instructions in the
mail you received.
If not you can sue him.

Another common technique is spidering the web using search engines
looking for email addresses close to his name or something related.
Well if that is the case you can sue him with even more reason.

mic


2011/12/31 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
 Dear Vortex Collective,

 Someone, without my authorization, leaked my email to Randy Hekman since
 today I got a spam from him. I am posting this here because given his recent
 comments on cold fusion, I suspect someone in one of the CF website gave him
 my email.

 Getting spam is bad, but getting one that I qualify as a neocon (and trying
 to not use Goldwin's law) pisses me off much more. So, just to make sure, I
 marked his email as a phishing scam rather than spam.

 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com




Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
In 1980, CBS launched a advertising campaign for their hit show Dallas
featuring the catch phrase Who Shot JR. The last show of the season was
going to reveal the culprit who shot JR. In England, where you can bet on
just about anything, officials refused to allow people to bet on the
outcome of this because it was not a random event and the outcome was
already decided. Someone might read the script, or or one of screenwriters
might place a large bet.

Along the same lines, long ago I decided not to make predictions or bets on
the future of cold fusion, because the script is already written. Events
were largely a matter of choice. That is, free will. Rossi and many other
researchers are sitting on results that they could reveal if they chose to,
which would profoundly change the outcome, and the whole course of human
history. On the other side, people in high places at the DoE or the APS
choose to remain ignorant of this subject. Like Mary Yugo and Robert Park,
they have made a decision to read nothing. Perhaps they want to maintain
plausible deniability.  Who knows? The point is, they can type LENR.org
into a browser anytime. There is nothing stopping them. There are no longer
barriers blocking access to information.

Fifteen years ago, if you wanted to learn about cold fusion or some other
technical subject, you had to go to a university library, or ask
experts. You had to make an effort, and spend time and money. The physical
reality of getting books and papers and the fact that these papers were
only available in university libraries precluded easy access to
information. It was easy to see that most people would not make the effort
to learn about cold fusion, especially in view of the opposition to it and
the nonsense in the mass media. Now, you type a few keystrokes and world of
knowledge opens up. It is like the miracle described by Matthew 7:7: Ask,
and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be
opened unto you . . . Now, the only thing stopping these people is their
own mind. I will not try predict people's thoughts.

Free will is a complicated subject. It may exist, or it may be an illusion
we feel because we inhabit mammalian predator brains. Inhabiting the brain
of an honey bee would feel very different, I suppose. Perhaps making a
decision or coming up with a new idea is is the result of random processes.
At the deepest level, these events may be governed by quantum mechanics, so
they are completely random and cannot be predicted even in principle.
Whatever the situation is, a decision by Rossi to allow a test, or a
decision by the editor at a journal or Washington Post to allow the truth
about cold fusion to be published are acts of human will. One decision by
any one of hundreds of people could change the situation overnight, like a
wind-blown snowball that triggers an avalanche. The situation is unstable
and poised for catastrophic change. That does not mean a change is
inevitable. Snow that might trigger an avalanche might also melt away
peacefully.

There is nothing in the known universe as complicated and unpredictable as
the human mind. I try to influence people's thoughts  actions but I do not
try to predict them. The present and future of cold fusion is entirely
governed by free will. In the past cold fusion could not be controlled. We
did not know enough about it. It was still an open question as to whether
it *could be* made practical. We did not know. Now, the scientific
mysteries have been cleared up enough that we can be certain. The effect
can be made practical. It can be commercialized. It can prevent global
warming and save millions of lives. There is no longer any doubt about
that. Whether that will happen or not is entirely a matter of choice.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Mary Yugo
Geez, folks.  If your email address is open to the world, as it is on this
email list, you will get tons of spam.  You should never post your email
address on the internet except in the form:  maryyugo [at symbol] yahoo
[dot] com so that a human has to interpret it.  And it is best, for
purposes like this mailing list, to create a new email address which is
only for this purpose.   It also cuts way down on clutter.


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Michele Comitini
A good way to keep a large percentage of spammers away is greylisting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting.  Simple and clever, if you
can take time to understand it, because it stops the spam before,
instead of junking it after it was transmitted.

@Mary Yugo
Your address is in the clear to anyone that receives vortex-l
messages, I see it, but also many sites that mirror vortex-l messages
see your address and put it on a web page.  Usually the software
managing a mailing list can do the hiding solving the problem once for
all.
But  it is not the user fault: it is the spammer that is violating the
law.  Should we give away the freedom to use our real id, because of
some criminal spammer?

mic






2011/12/31 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com:
 Geez, folks.  If your email address is open to the world, as it is on this
 email list, you will get tons of spam.  You should never post your email
 address on the internet except in the form:  maryyugo [at symbol] yahoo
 [dot] com so that a human has to interpret it.  And it is best, for
 purposes like this mailing list, to create a new email address which is only
 for this purpose.   It also cuts way down on clutter.



Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Michele Comitini 
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Should we give away the freedom to use our real id, because of
 some criminal spammer?



Unfortunately yes.  It's not much freedom to lose.  I suggest keeping your
real email address strictly private.   There is little or nothing that can
be done to spammers who originate outside of developed countries which
regulate such things and even there it's difficult.  Not even unwanted text
messages (that some people have to pay for) and calls to cellular
telephones can be prevented entirely.


Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rossi and many other researchers are sitting on results that they could
 reveal if they chose to, which would profoundly change the outcome, and the
 whole course of human history.


I predict that in all likelihood, neither Rossi nor Defkalion will change
anything about human history.  If they continue behaving like Steorn, they
will occasionally, and with increasing rarity, have news releases and
perhaps additional inconclusive demonstrations and more unnamed customers
and undocumented sales.  There will be delays and clever but unconvincing
explanations for those delays.  It is highly improbable that any university
will get a device to test.  Aussie Guy will also probably be
disappointed.   The Xanthi Police Academy will continue to heat its
facility by conventional means.   Nobody will get a definitive tour of
Defkalion's or Rossi's factories though poorly documented and
inconclusive visits may be possible to labs for either outfit.  The
visitors, if this happens, will not be allowed independent tests.  Again,
all of this is predicated on a possible similarity to Steorn.


 On the other side, people in high places at the DoE or the APS choose to
 remain ignorant of this subject. Like Mary Yugo and Robert Park, they have
 made a decision to read nothing.


Actually, I've read more than I ever expected to about Rossi and Defkalion
and it was all unfortunately unconvincing.


 Perhaps they want to maintain plausible deniability.


Absolute nonsense.   If Rossi and Defkalion's stuff is real, everyone will
know about it as soon as they allow the first proper independent test
results to be released or the instant they make a device available for sale
to anyone who can test it, show it and talk about it.  It's really that
simple.  And it could have happened any time since Rossi started
equivocating, deceiving and misdirecting a year ago.


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Alan Fletcher
I got my Hekman mail on an email address I DON'T use for vortex.  Daniel Rocha 
- RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com
Shows up in several places, eg 
http://www.petitiononline.com/petitions/shen1986/signatures?page=714 

Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, I am waiting for Shenmue III for over 10 years. I love Shenmue!

2011/12/31 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com

 I got my Hekman mail  on an email address I DON'T use for vortex.

 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

 Shows up in several places, eg
 http://www.petitiononline.com/petitions/shen1986/signatures?page=714

 danieldi...@gmail.com





-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


Re: [Vo]: wired.uk on defkalion

2011-12-31 Thread Alan Fletcher
The subject line got stripped off the web version. Should be showdown year. 
(Pick your favorite movie ... High Noon?) - Original Message -
 http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-12/30/cold-fusion-rival
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

Spam is an insoluble problem I have studied it from 1994 and later
 systematically in the 488 weekly issues of my newsletter. I  remember when
 Bill Gates still active at Microsoft has promised to liquidate spam in two
 years. He failed. . . .


I have not gotten more than 1 or 2 spam messages per month since I switched
to Gmail. I would say the problem has been solved. I do not know if Gates
contributed to the solution.

I do not think it is fair to call Hekman's messages spam. He (or a
volunteer) sent them to people here because he knows we are interested in
cold fusion. He is not advertising a product or service. Spam is sent
indiscriminately to people who often have no use for the product being
advertised.

Hekman has done good things for cold fusion. I think we should thank Hekman
for his past and present support. I would not support him politically
because I disagree with his other policies, but I appreciate his work. I
hope that people here do not get him in trouble with the Robots at Google,
a.k.a. our new computer overlords.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Alan Fletcher
I just got ANOTHER from the address I use here. Ah well .. - Original 
Message -
 I got my Hekman mail on an email address I DON'T use for vortex.


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
Same here. this time I just put the subscribe and abused Goldwin's law when
they asked me why I was subscribing.

2011/12/31 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com

 I just got ANOTHER from the address I use here.   Ah well ..

 --

 I got my Hekman mail  on an email address I DON'T use for vortex.




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
*unsubcribing

2011/12/31 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com

 Same here. this time I just put the subscribe and abused Goldwin's law
 when they asked me why I was subscribing.


 2011/12/31 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com

 I just got ANOTHER from the address I use here.   Ah well ..

 --

 I got my Hekman mail  on an email address I DON'T use for vortex.




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


Re: [Vo]:Use magnetic fld to enhance effective mass of e-

2011-12-31 Thread mixent
In reply to  Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint's message of Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:11:45
-0800:
Hi Mark,
[snip]
Robin:
Thanks for the comments, and I see your chicken-n-egg argument...

As I prefaced my comment about Horace's calcs, I'm not sure if this is
relevant either...
Please note that in many cases I am just doing a brain-dump in the hopes of
triggering some creative thinking. :-)

OTOH, I'm not so sure I agree that, as you say, ... in an ordinary magnet
many (most?) of the atomic [magnetic] fields are aligned...

Magnetic materials are composed of 'magnetic domains'; regions where the
magnetic moments are more or less aligned in the same direction.  However,
adjacent domains are randomly oriented, diminishing the effect for the bulk
material and, thus, the *external* magnetic field is *much less* than what
one would find in an individual domain.

I am curious... if one were to look at the individual atoms (10^6 to 10^9)
in one of these 'magnetic domains', what percentage of the magnetic moments
are parallel??? 

Google magnetic saturation.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:Use magnetic fld to enhance effective mass of e-

2011-12-31 Thread mixent
In reply to  Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:32:09 -0900:
Hi Horace,
[snip]
In the process of changing their spin  
axes the particles can (in a non QM interpretation) precess, due to  
torque on the spin axis.   When this happens the particles can  
radiate, and flip their spins into alignment.  

If they can radiate, wouldn't that imply that the ground state electrons of
atoms in an externally applied magnetic field can radiate as they approach the
nucleus?

In a magnetic field  
the spins of (quantum) particles tend to be aligned either with the  
magnetic field, or opposed to it.  If opposed, a particle will tend  
to eventually flip into a matching spin.

Two particles can experience an attracting force if their poles are  
aligned

N-S N-S

However, if they are in orbitals, they align with opposed spin, like so:

N  S
|  |
S  N

which is still an attracting mode.   If they aligned in the opposing  
directions they would repel.  This is partially the basis of the  
Pauli Exclusion principle. The spin axes of electrons tend to align  
with an orbital axis, not perpendicular to it. A pair of electrons  
sharing other quantum states in an atom will have one spin up and the  
other down, i.e opposed spins.  They will have a magnetic attraction  
force, a negative potential, but one which at atomic size distances  
is nominal. At nuclear distances magnetic forces become very large.

This tendency of particle spins to align in a magnetically attracting  
way, creating a potential energy, is called spin coupling.
[snip]

BTW, as Mark pointed out, the chicken-'n-egg reference was in relation to
combining your theory with someone else's, not a criticism of your theory.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Michele Comitini
2011/12/31 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Spam is an insoluble problem I have studied it from 1994 and later
 systematically in the 488 weekly issues of my newsletter. I  remember when
 Bill Gates still active at Microsoft has promised to liquidate spam in two
 years. He failed. . . .


 I have not gotten more than 1 or 2 spam messages per month since I switched
 to Gmail. I would say the problem has been solved. I do not know if Gates
 contributed to the solution.


Gates with its sloppy operating systems is in  part responsible for spam. :-)
 Don't be surpised, what people see as a viral attack is usually a
mean to make the computers of unaware users the worst spammers medium.
 Actually the design flaws that allows viruses on MS platforms are
taking more time and resources than cold fusion research with little
results.  If one takes into account what is the damage to ISPs
bandwidth and Internet users' wasted time he would see how a defect in
such a common software affects the World's GDP. :-)


mic



Re: [Vo]:Someone leaked my email to Randy Hekman

2011-12-31 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Michele Comitini 
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:


 Gates with its sloppy operating systems is in  part responsible for spam.
 :-)
  Don't be surpised, what people see as a viral attack is usually a
 mean to make the computers of unaware users the worst spammers medium.
  Actually the design flaws that allows viruses on MS platforms are
 taking more time and resources than cold fusion research with little
 results.  If one takes into account what is the damage to ISPs
 bandwidth and Internet users' wasted time he would see how a defect in
 such a common software affects the World's GDP. :-)



Question:  What is the most common cause of death of experimental animals
in laboratories?

Answer:  TaDa!


RE: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
I'll triple that...

I can see it now...
 Not tonight, Frank, I have to post another repetitious rely on vortex!
:-)

Happy New Year to all, especially Frank and Mary!
-Mark

-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

Frank sez:

 My predictions
 Jed will write a lot more good stuff 
 Rossi will go into hiding
 Blacklight Power will say nothing
 Frank Znidarsic and Mary Hugo will get married

Err... Yugo?

Frank,

You have my deepest sympathies.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

 Happy New Year to all, especially Frank and Mary!


OXOX, YZ!  Happy nuptials!

HNY to all!

T

(bringing Frankincense and Myrrh)



RE: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Robert Leguillon
I predict that LENR will see enormous growth and even a see real publication in 
a peer reviewed journal. I think that transmutations will be nearly universally 
accepted, but environ of competing theories will be too fluid to balance.
I predict that Rossi will not produce his own useful LENR device, unless he is 
brought onboard by a reputable company.  He will be revealed to have 
exaggerated and misled investors as to the maturity of his product.

Happy New Year, all. 

Now, out with the bubbly!

 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:58:59 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please
 From: hohlr...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 
 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
 
  Happy New Year to all, especially Frank and Mary!
 
 
 OXOX, YZ!  Happy nuptials!
 
 HNY to all!
 
 T
 
 (bringing Frankincense and Myrrh)
 
  

Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread Harry Veeder
I predict I will spend another year alone.
Happy New Year y'all.
Harry

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I predict that LENR will see enormous growth and even a see real publication
 in a peer reviewed journal. I think that transmutations will be nearly
 universally accepted, but environ of competing theories will be too fluid to
 balance.
 I predict that Rossi will not produce his own useful LENR device, unless he
 is brought onboard by a reputable company.  He will be revealed to have
 exaggerated and misled investors as to the maturity of his product.

 Happy New Year, all.

 Now, out with the bubbly!

 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:58:59 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please
 From: hohlr...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

  Happy New Year to all, especially Frank and Mary!


 OXOX, YZ! Happy nuptials!

 HNY to all!

 T

 (bringing Frankincense and Myrrh)




Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

2011-12-31 Thread fznidarsic
Not good Harry, change it somehow.  Since Marry and I got engaged I am a whole 
lot 
happier.  Not even Jones upsets me any more.


I predict I will spend another year alone.
Happy New Year y'all.
Harry







[Vo]:How I propose to encode math in vortex discussions

2011-12-31 Thread Charles HOPE
(You'll have to visit the URL at the end to follow the post's links)


For a surprisingly long time, communicating rich mathematical formulas has
been difficult on the Web, in e-mail, or in plain text discussion groups.
There are two tools that take the pain out of this process.
Writing

Codecogs offers a very nice equation
editorhttp://codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php,
with a complete set of WYSIWYG buttons that operate a workspace which
builds an equation in LaTeX, while rendering a graphic image in real-time.
The resulting image can be exported in various graphic formats, or the
LaTeX can be copied to your clipboard.
Reading Avital Oliver wrote a lightweight browser plug-in for Firefox which
renders LaTeX equations, called TEX THE WORLD http://thewe.net/tex/. It
has since been ported
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mbfninnbhfepghkkcgdnmfmhhbjmhggnto
Google Chrome. It scans every web page for equations between [; and ;] and
renders them automatically.

Together these make it possible to easily produce LaTeX formulas, already
legible to scientific professionals and able to survive the plainest of
ASCII environments, and to view them as rich formulas if rendered through a
modern web browser.




http://luminoustop.typepad.com/charles_hope_and_the_lumi/2012/01/how-to-read-and-write-mathematics-on-the-internet-including-web-based-e-mail-.html




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Never did my skin touch a land of glass
Never did my rifle point but true
But in a land empty of enemies
Waiting for the tick-tick-tick of the want
A uranium angel
Crying “behold,”
This land that knew fire is yours
Taken from Corruption
To begin anew