[Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
Hello group, On May 4th, 2012 there will be a an international conference in Turin, Italy, on recent developments and research on nuclear technology, with a focus on LENR. Poster: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/The%20Atom%20Unexplored.pdf Summary: During the last year, many events radically changed the policy of power production. While the cost of energy keeps rising, the current challenges in this field seem quite far to be faced by the actual technologies. Recently, international scenario has seen a renewed interest for research on innovative technologies for nuclear energy generation. This improved attention led to the conception of the International Conference “The Atom Unexplored”, aiming for three main goals: identify the most promising alternatives to fossil fuel and current nuclear reactors; inform the scientific, institutional and industrial community about the current advancements and future initiatives in the field of innovative nuclear technologies for energy production; foster the discussion about the relevant workshop topics among the interested stakeholders. Two issues are addressed in two different sessions: Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, and High Energy Nuclear Reactions. The former is focused on the new scientific results currently achieved in the novel field of Piezo ‐, Lattice Assisted Nuclear Reactions and of Cold Fusion in general, while the latter concerns the deployment and the critical elements of the promising technologies already developed, such as nuclear fusion and the new generation reactors. The scientific contributions from the speakers will help the participants to understand if there is any unexploited potential in both technologies which could open up to new opportunities for the future of energy production. “Solidarietà e Sviluppo” is a non‐profit cultural association, founded in Rome in 2002, made by a group of manager from public and private institutions with the aim of creating a connection between politics and society. The association has realized many humanitarian initiatives and, in parallel, has organized cultural and scientific events concerning cutting‐edge research on several Hi‐Tech topics (see www.solidarieta‐sviluppo.org). The Istituto Nazionale di Ricerca Metrologica (INRIM) is a public body under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education, Universities and Research. INRIM is devoted to the study of the science of measurements and to research in materials science; furthermore it works on developing innovative technologies and devices (see www.inrim.it). Website: http://www.theatomunexplored.org/ This event will be webcast (relevant links will be disclosed at a later time). Furthermore, according to the event schedule (check the poster), it looks that Peter Hagelstein and Francesco Piantelli speak for their respective companies (JET Energy and Nichenergy), although I'm not sure if they will add anything more to what they've already shown during the recent Pontignano workshop on Anomalies in hydrogen loaded metals. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
On 2012-04-19 11:21, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:E-Cat LENR devices will be manufactured in Italy too, according to Rossi
Hello group, A new tidbit in the following Italian interview to Andrea Rossi might interest European E-Cat followers, and more in particular Italians: http://www.fantascienza.com/magazine/notizie/16367/e-cat-story-intervista-con-andrea-rossi/ * * * Interviewer: [...] Will the European [E-Cat] factory be in Sweden? Rossi: Most likely, we will work both in Sweden and Italy. Interviewer: Wonderful news, I must say unexpected! Rossi: I have an Italian DNA, in my family I'm the third generation of Italian entrepreneurs, I decided that I can't not work in Italy. Interviewer: Will the factory be in Bologna? Rossi: (pauses, smiles) No comment. * * * Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Greetings Vortex-L: It was nice to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this Great Magic...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
And your point is...? 2012/4/19 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex-L: It was nice to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this Great Magic...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal - Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the Casimir-instigated Ni-H reaction of Roarty, et al. Anyone know the artist? -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
From Akira, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html Jones sez: Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal - Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the Casimir-instigated Ni-H reaction of Roarty, et al. Anyone know the artist? The link is blocked where I work. Can anyone copy a piccy of the cover-art to a less offensive link? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
From Akira, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html Jones sez: Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal - Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the Casimir-instigated Ni-H reaction of Roarty, et al. Anyone know the artist? The link is blocked where I work. Can anyone copy a piccy of the cover-art to a less offensive link? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks See if you can go to http://1proxy.de Then type the link in from there.
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Here is the point: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=3ved=0CDEQFjACurl=http%3A%2F%2Flenr-canr.org%2Facrobat%2FMalloveEthepseudos.pdfei=8RKQT87KKajs0gHD1LmeBQusg=AFQjCNEjyhqjKX82ijdEYeO95Nu_HgFLTAsig2=4uBkWtfnxnIS6Kop-dhjYw Daniel Rocha wrote: And your point is...? 2012/4/19 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex-L: It was nice to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this Great Magic...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
From Akira, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html Jones sez: Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal - Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the Casimir-instigated Ni-H reaction of Roarty, et al. Anyone know the artist? The link is blocked where I work. Can anyone copy a piccy of the cover-art to a less offensive link? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks I screwed it up. It should be http://www.1proxy.de
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
But this is old news... 2012/4/19 teamposit...@gmx.us Here is the point: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=3ved=0CDEQFjACurl=http%3A%2F%2Flenr-canr.org%2Facrobat%2FMalloveEthepseudos.pdfei=8RKQT87KKajs0gHD1LmeBQusg=AFQjCNEjyhqjKX82ijdEYeO95Nu_HgFLTAsig2=4uBkWtfnxnIS6Kop-dhjYw Daniel Rocha wrote: And your point is...? 2012/4/19 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex-L: It was nice to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this Great Magic...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
From Akira, I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html ... The link is blocked where I work. I screwed it up. It should be http://www.1proxy.de Both sites are blocked as well. Drat. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
On 2012-04-19 15:33, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Can anyone copy a piccy of the cover-art to a less offensive link? Try this: http://i.imgur.com/zTn9A.jpg I don't like much using image hosting services, however. Most of them have recently started adopting a policy of deleting user-uploaded images after a certain amount of time (in the case of imgur.com, 6 months), unless you use their paid subscriptions. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:International Conference The Atom Unexplored - May 4th, 2012
From Akira, ... Try this: http://i.imgur.com/zTn9A.jpg Cover Image came through. Thanx. Some of the imagery is in the style of the famous artist: M. C. Escher's work. Vaguely, that is. http://www.mcescher.com/ http://www.mcescher.net/ Escher was way ahead of his time. He created meticulous fractal imagery well before such imagery was known as fractal imagery. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is about living a lie. The point is that blind skepticism, even if it manages to expose nasty con-men (or poor magicians) 99% of the time, can be harmful to society in net results - if the 1% of time is so completely in error - that it severs the purpose of greed barons (to wit: OPEC) and jealous competitors in the ranks of science. In fact skepticism, or eve exorbitant levels of criticism, can be devastating to society when it is wrong and yet well-intentioned yet manages to stifle game-changing technology - as almost happened from the shoddy efforts of Randi/Park and their ilk. Neither were qualified to jump onto LENR as pathological science - when the only thing pathological could possibly be in the lie they are living in their personal lives. Please do not take this the wrong way - Randi's homosexuality is not the issue. Nor is Park's aversion to doing real science. Make no mistake - these are both entertainers not scientists - and neither particularly bright. The MacArthur thing is disgusting. The issue is basic honesty - and pretending to be an expert, or knowledgeable in something which you are not, as both have done over the years . and regrettably to the cheers of some, when they were able to expose a Dennis Lee type of con-man. Cheers. But this kind of minor success lets the entertainer think he has real insight and he becomes emboldened and lazy, so that it becomes a reflex reactions - and essentially becomes blind - no longer merely an entertainment shtick. The results can set progress back decades- and this has almost happened since 1989 in LENR. The most ironic thing is that a person who could be a con-man himself, Andrea Rossi, has managed to revive a dying field. I think that the field is past the tipping point now, and yes - we will outlive the Rossi affair in short term. From: Ron Kita Greetings Vortex-L: It was nice to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this Great Magic...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 07:01:17AM -0700, Jones Beene wrote: Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is about living a lie. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/914-how-to-say-it.html Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn business but your own. -X The point is that blind skepticism, even if it manages to expose nasty con-men (or poor magicians) 99% of the time, can be harmful to society in net results - if the 1% of time is so completely in error - that it severs the purpose of greed barons (to wit: OPEC) and jealous competitors in the ranks of science. In fact skepticism, or eve exorbitant levels of criticism, can be devastating to society when it is wrong and yet well-intentioned yet manages to stifle game-changing technology - as almost happened from the shoddy efforts of Randi/Park and their ilk. Neither were qualified to jump onto LENR as pathological science - when the only thing pathological could possibly be in the lie they are living in their personal lives. Please do not take this the wrong way - Randi's homosexuality is not the issue. Nor is Park's aversion to doing real science. Make no mistake - these are both entertainers not scientists - and neither particularly bright. The MacArthur thing is disgusting. The issue is basic honesty - and pretending to be an expert, or knowledgeable in something which you are not, as both have done over the years . and regrettably to the cheers of some, when they were able to expose a Dennis Lee type of con-man. Cheers. But this kind of minor success lets the entertainer think he has real insight and he becomes emboldened and lazy, so that it becomes a reflex reactions - and essentially becomes blind - no longer merely an entertainment shtick. The results can set progress back decades- and this has almost happened since 1989 in LENR. The most ironic thing is that a person who could be a con-man himself, Andrea Rossi, has managed to revive a dying field. I think that the field is past the tipping point now, and yes - we will outlive the Rossi affair in short term. From: Ron Kita Greetings Vortex-L: It was nice to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this Great Magic...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat LENR devices will be manufactured in Italy too, according to Rossi
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:17:10PM +0200, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, A new tidbit in the following Italian interview to Andrea Rossi might interest European E-Cat followers, and more in particular Italians: http://www.fantascienza.com/magazine/notizie/16367/e-cat-story-intervista-con-andrea-rossi/ * * * Interviewer: [...] Will the European [E-Cat] factory be in Sweden? Rossi: Most likely, we will work both in Sweden and Italy. Interviewer: Wonderful news, I must say unexpected! Rossi: I have an Italian DNA, in my family I'm the third generation of Italian entrepreneurs, I decided that I can't not work in Italy. Interviewer: Will the factory be in Bologna? Rossi: (pauses, smiles) No comment. I think listening to Rossi actually decreases the amount of useful knowledge you have access to :) -X
RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
You still do not get it, Xavier. The lie is not his personal predilections or sexuality - it is pretending to be an expert in a field in which he has not trained, and completely incompetent. Because he is a magician - he is trained at deceit. IOW he is a trained deceiver (liar) and a master at that trade. By comparison, Rossi is an amateur. That expertise in deceit is not, and cannot be a matter of doubt. He is living that kind of lie, even if it's nobody's damn business. And by the way - it is +always+ someone else's damn business when a gay man chooses to marry a have children. Even if the wife knows - it is unfair to the child who has no choice in the deception. -Original Message- From: Xavier Luminous Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is about living a lie. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/914-how-to-say-it.html Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn business but your own. -X
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Greetings Vortex-l I grew up in the Sixties.Live and Let Live. Re: Randi. the man who came out of the closet..should be glad to see cold fusion ..to coin a phrase...See Cold Fusion- Come Out of the Closet. The Cold Fusion Bashers killed the careers of Pons and Fleichman...no prisioners.. ..no apologies. With respect to all, Ron Kita On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: You still do not get it, Xavier. The lie is not his personal predilections or sexuality - it is pretending to be an expert in a field in which he has not trained, and completely incompetent. Because he is a magician - he is trained at deceit. IOW he is a trained deceiver (liar) and a master at that trade. By comparison, Rossi is an amateur. That expertise in deceit is not, and cannot be a matter of doubt. He is living that kind of lie, even if it's nobody's damn business. And by the way - it is +always+ someone else's damn business when a gay man chooses to marry a have children. Even if the wife knows - it is unfair to the child who has no choice in the deception. -Original Message- From: Xavier Luminous Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is about living a lie. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/914-how-to-say-it.html Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn business but your own. -X
Re: [Vo]:New Cantwell PowerPoint slides
Thanks Akira. Rick is asking some others to send me papers. I think papers are better than PowerPoint slides. I will add a news item pointing to the ICMNS.org slides. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Xavier Luminous xavier.lumin...@googlemail.com wrote: Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn business but your own. I agree, this is a personal matter. My only objection to T. A. Randi is that he knows nothing about this subject yet he pontificates about it as if he does. Robert Park *does* know something about cold fusion, despite the fact that he claims he has never read a paper about it. He has met with cold fusion researchers. He knows a great deal about physics. So do people such as Huizenga and Garwin. I think they are much worse than Randi or other mass media figure such as science reporters like Lemonick or Gibbs who know nothing about science. I don't blame silly people for being ignorant or mistaken. I blame smart people who should be careful, and who should know better. The usefulness of harsh critics in science has been exaggerated. A good scientist is his own harshest critic. As Martin Fleischmann says, it is the easiest thing in the world to convince yourself you have nothing. Third rate scientists sometimes fool themselves into thinking that an instrument artifact is a real effect. Such mistakes are easily discovered by others. We don't need harsh critics to look for such things. A polite, respectful critique is called for. - Jed
[Vo]:Sen. Tarr Visits the JET Energy NANOR IAP Demo at the MIT
Hello group, I found this recent interesting news on Cold Fusion Times (almost by chance, since this is an old-style, single-page static website with no automated RSS or email notifications): http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html April 19, 2012 - Massachusetts Senate Minority Leader Bruce E. Tarr (R), and his staff, visited the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, MA) on April 17, 2012 to learn more about the developments in cold fusion (LANR, lattice assisted nuclear reactions). This cold fusion update was in Prof. Peter Hagelstein's Quantum Electronics and Energy Production and Conversion laboratory where the JET Energy cold fusion NANOR desktop demonstration unit was operating. Dr. Mitchell Swartz and Prof. Hagelstein led the discussion and reviewed the development of nanomaterial cold fusion devices for over more than two decades, and this particular RD breakthrough and some of the components which allow its function. The group contributing to the discussion on ways to help push the technology forward included Dr. Brian Ahern, Keith Owens (who initiated the visit), A.J. Paglia , and Stephen Mulloney. Sen. Tarr's excellent questions, and his continued interest to investigate ! this ult ra-efficient and ultraclean energy production technology, herald his awareness of the importance of this alternative energy to the security and energy interests of the Commonwealth. http://world.std.com/~mica/mit_0035.jpg http://world.std.com/~mica/sentarr001.jpg Some might remember Tarr for talking with Andrea Rossi and representatives of the MIT back in November, ending up with a neutral impression: http://www.tarrtalk.com/2011/11/cold-fusion-inventor-comes-to-boston.html Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Wind Turbine Blades Keep Growing
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/04/wind-turbine-blades-keep-growing It does not say how long they are, but only that they are 20% longer than they were a few years ago. Anyway, the longer the blade, the larger the cross-section it sweeps, and the more power you get. QUOTE: The industry as a whole continues to focus its onshore efforts in the 1.6 MW-3.5 MW segment, while the offshore segment has moved away from 5 MW systems and is graduating to 6 MW-7 MW offerings to cope with larger offshore farms at greater water depths and greater distances from shore. The interplay between onshore and offshore wind turbine portfolios has left a noticeable gap in the 3.5 MW-5 MW segment. The ratio of actual to nameplate is much better offshore than onshore. Typically, they find places where it is about 40%. Offshore wind is immensely powerful and surprisingly predictable. It powered all of world oceanic trade until 1850, moving millions of tons across oceans and seas. 6 MW nameplate is approximately 2.4 MW actual, so it would take roughly 420 of these to replace one Japanese nuke plant. At present there are 53 nukes sitting there, turned off. One is running. Given the now robust local opposition to nuclear power I doubt that most will ever be turned on again. There is no chance additional ones will be built. Nuclear power in Japan is dead, dead, dead gone. It turns out Japan has a great deal more offshore wind than people though a few years ago. In other words, you could replace those nuke plants with 22,000 wind turbines. That's not an impossible number. It would be cheaper than the cleanup cost for the Fukushima accident. Of course there are many difficult technical problems such as how to store energy, but installing 20 thousand turbines in Japan would take 30 years and over that time I think the problems could be solved. In real life you would want to use a lot of solar power, because people in Japan need electricity the most when the sun is shining brightly, for air-conditioning. Especially in southern Japan. Worldwide, wind power increases by around 20 GW nameplate. That's the increase, above replacements. That is the equivalent of building ~6 nukes, which is probably more than nuclear power increased in its heyday back in the 1970s. Certainly the sustained growth in wind power is greater than nukes were. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Wind Turbine Blades Keep Growing
Another use of wind - http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/prototype-wind-turbine-condenses-10 00-liters-of-water-a-day-from-desert-air-20120418/ but it makes economic sense mostly in places like Arabia - where water can be worth more than oil... From: Jed Rothwell It does not say how long they are, but only that they are 20% longer than they were a few years ago. Anyway, the longer the blade, the larger the cross-section it sweeps, and the more power you get. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:It's only chemistry : ISCMNS Workshop presentations
At 12:04 PM 4/12/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: One of the papers in http://www.iscmns.org/work10/Abstracts.pdf says it's only water : Control of excess heat production in Pd-impregnated alumina powder O. Dmitriyeva, R. Cantwel, M. McConnel, and G. Moddel A lot of the presentations are now available at http://www.iscmns.org/work10/program.htm -- but NOT this one
Re: [Vo]:It's only chemistry : ISCMNS Workshop presentations
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: *Control of excess heat production in Pd-impregnated alumina powder *O. Dmitriyeva, R. Cantwel, M. McConnel, and G. Moddel A lot of the presentations are now available at http://www.iscmns.org/work10/program.htm -- but NOT this one That's one of the ones Rick will send me. Olga is writing a full paper. If I get it I will post a notice here. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wind Turbine Blades Keep Growing
The larger wind turbines run into a wall with scaling of volume ³ (=mass and cost) vs swept area ² with increasing rotor diameter, so that the economics probably start to get worse at sizes beyond those already in use (apart from perhaps reducing maintenance costs). Makani http://www.makanipower.com/ and other kite power companies have a small chance of beating the cost problems by eliminating big expensive generators and towers as well as getting up into much stronger wind - they might bring costs down to $0.05/kWh, but it will take another 10 years to see if their technology pans out from a maintenance point of view. So I don't think conventional wind has much of a future near term given incredibly low cost and massive availability of shale gas, and it is that low gas price that is also driving the western move away from nuclear due to lower cost. US wellhead gas prices are now about $0.007 kWh (yes less than $0.01!), though Europe is several times more expensive. It is also noticeable that throughout Europe renewables like wind and solar are rapidly falling out of favour with the public due to very high cost. Japan is ramping up gas imports to compensate for less nuclear power (electricity from LNG imports costs about $0.10/kWh), and that may actually turn out to be cheaper for them in medium term than nuclear (even if it has dire consequences for their balance of trade figures) But the west is in many ways irrelevant now anyway, with shrinking population and industrial capacity. Almost all new capacity in the world is going into developing Asian countries and they are definitely choosing Nuclear and gas ahead of wind and solar: China is building reactors at a huge rate (25 currently under construction, many more to start soon) to ensure their energy security. And these are being built for $1000-1500/kW - 2 or 3 times cheaper than what the West seems to be able to do. At that price their electricity costs are only $0.03-0.04/kWh which is roughly cost competitive with gas (electricity distribution costs amount to an additional $0.05-.10 anyway). With their high build rate China is also on a learning curve that will see those costs drop significantly. India is also currently building about 1.5 reactors a year, and aiming to ramp that up significantly in very near future. So for Asia new nuclear beats any foreseeable renewable technology (other than hydro). Still hoping for economically competitive LENR to change the equation. On 19 April 2012 18:32, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/04/wind-turbine-blades-keep-growing It does not say how long they are, but only that they are 20% longer than they were a few years ago. Anyway, the longer the blade, the larger the cross-section it sweeps, and the more power you get. QUOTE: The industry as a whole continues to focus its onshore efforts in the 1.6 MW-3.5 MW segment, while the offshore segment has moved away from 5 MW systems and is graduating to 6 MW-7 MW offerings to cope with larger offshore farms at greater water depths and greater distances from shore. The interplay between onshore and offshore wind turbine portfolios has left a noticeable gap in the 3.5 MW-5 MW segment. The ratio of actual to nameplate is much better offshore than onshore. Typically, they find places where it is about 40%. Offshore wind is immensely powerful and surprisingly predictable. It powered all of world oceanic trade until 1850, moving millions of tons across oceans and seas. 6 MW nameplate is approximately 2.4 MW actual, so it would take roughly 420 of these to replace one Japanese nuke plant. At present there are 53 nukes sitting there, turned off. One is running. Given the now robust local opposition to nuclear power I doubt that most will ever be turned on again. There is no chance additional ones will be built. Nuclear power in Japan is dead, dead, dead gone. It turns out Japan has a great deal more offshore wind than people though a few years ago. In other words, you could replace those nuke plants with 22,000 wind turbines. That's not an impossible number. It would be cheaper than the cleanup cost for the Fukushima accident. Of course there are many difficult technical problems such as how to store energy, but installing 20 thousand turbines in Japan would take 30 years and over that time I think the problems could be solved. In real life you would want to use a lot of solar power, because people in Japan need electricity the most when the sun is shining brightly, for air-conditioning. Especially in southern Japan. Worldwide, wind power increases by around 20 GW nameplate. That's the increase, above replacements. That is the equivalent of building ~6 nukes, which is probably more than nuclear power increased in its heyday back in the 1970s. Certainly the sustained growth in wind power is greater than nukes were. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:It's only chemistry : ISCMNS Workshop presentations
At 11:26 AM 4/19/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 12:04 PM 4/12/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: One of the papers in http://www.iscmns.org/work10/Abstracts.pdf says it's only water : Control of excess heat production in Pd-impregnated alumina powder O. Dmitriyeva, R. Cantwel, M. McConnel, and G. Moddel A lot of the presentations are now available at http://www.iscmns.org/work10/program.htm -- but NOT this one Weird ... NOW I'm getting it : http://www.iscmns.org/work10/DmitriyevaOcontrolof.ppt#326,1,Control of excess heat production in Pd-impregnated alumina powder They show excess heat before baking, no excess after baking and then get excess again after re-absorption of water. H20 -- D2O .. with KJ/Mol for various steps They measure the ratio of H's and D's by several methods.
Re: [Vo]:Wind Turbine Blades Keep Growing
Robert Lynn wrote: So I don't think conventional wind has much of a future near term given incredibly low cost and massive availability of shale gas, and it is that low gas price that is also driving the western move away from nuclear due to lower cost. Beware of low cost solutions that have large hidden costs. Shale gas is only cheap when you ignore the cost of destroying the water table, permanently destroying agriculture, and making thousands of acres unlivable. Coal is cheap because the power companies get away with killing 20,000 people a year with coal particulates. They do not pay a penny of compensation. If the airlines killed 20,000 passengers in a single year, the cost of compensation and lawsuits would be so high aviation would cease to exist. If the power companies were held accountable, and forced to stop particulate pollution, that would raise the cost of cold-fired electricity to the point where wind and other sources would be a lot more competitive, if not actually cheaper. Factor in the likely cost of global warming and coal or shale gas are infinitely more expensive than wind power. As I pointed out previously, in a few hours during the Fukushima disaster, nuclear power went from being the cheapest source of electricity in Japan to being the most expensive, by a huge margin. All previous cost-benefit assessments were rendered meaningless. One accident is all it took to destroy the industry. If it becomes generally accepted that global warming is real, in a rational world that realization would be sufficient to bankrupt the fossil fuel industry. Granted, that will not happen here in the real world. Shale gas, on the other hand, often causes immediate and irreversible damage which is readily apparent. If you own land in New York or Pennsylvania, and you sell the development rights, you are selling your birthright and destroying your future and your children's futures. Anyone with eyes to see will know this. It is not something that will happen generations from now. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Sen. Tarr Visits the JET Energy NANOR IAP Demo at the MIT
An:vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:21 Donnerstag, 19.April 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:Sen. Tarr Visits the JET Energy NANOR IAP Demo at the MIT Hello group, I found this recent interesting news on Cold Fusion Times (almost by chance, since this is an old-style, single-page static website with no automated RSS or email notifications): http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html - I saw this. Interesting that he is a Republican. Seems to be easier for more fragmented political minds like Repubs to open up for something like LENR. Plus it aligns more to the Polyanna-worldview. 'Technology will save us', 'climate change is a hoax' and all that. I would not put any weight on Politician's opinions on topics like LENR. Anyway. Strannge case is, that Repubs presumably are more open to LENR than Dems. Definitely for the wrong reasons. Dems are more aligned to 'conventional‘ science. Repubs more to 'freak' science, because they think the 'conventional’ science is wrong anyway. I wait for some some creationist saying that LENR is proof for their belief, or other BS. Guenter
RE: [Vo]:Seasonal variation of halflife: tritium test
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: It is also well established that the intent and expectation of the experimenter can influence radioactive decay, so it would be difficult to separate that out from the other possible influences. Since the research community assumes half-lives to be reliable (almost w/status of physics constants e.g. isotope dating,) then shouldn't ANY anomaly raise red flags for investigation? This guy on sci.electronics.design below is building a tiny datalogger box, and if it's open source and easily copied, then double-blind testing wouldn't be difficult. Or do like the PEAR lab, and intentionally look for mental effects by running several loggers at widely spaced locations. Do check out his thread; he posts lots of jpegs of construction. PS They say yearly variation, 33-day variation, and transients before/during solar flares. Here's a nice review: http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1210/ML12101A262.pdf Interesting thread going on in SED newsgroup... How about it? Experiments of the third kind , take 99. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_thread/thread/d 99b2b7ad28787ba# Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design, sci.physics From: Jan Panteltje pantel...@yahoo.com Subject: How about it? Experiments of the third kind , take 99. Would the light intensity from a tritium light be [linear] proportional to the decay of the tritium? And then next year analyze the result (if any)? note, see: http://panteltje.com/pub/da_test_setup_IMG_3382.JPG http://panteltje.com/pub/tritium_light_movie_mvi_3243.avi http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/ (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Seasonal variation of halflife: tritium test
Von: William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:12 Donnerstag, 19.April 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Seasonal variation of halflife: tritium test William, I think You touched an important point here. I raised my doubts in other contexts earlier on. Radioactive decay is assumed to be pure random. So much that it even is used as THE source of pure randomness, ie,THE ideal random-number generator. I always doubtet that. There are some hints, that our conceptions of randomness, which in the mathematical domain eg are gaussian distributions and ergodicity, do NOT apply to the REAL world. Only to such artificial constructions as throwing dice. Which are, if You think about it, are mental constructions, and as such collapse to tautologies. See eg the the REAL WORLD problem of 1/f noise, black swans not considered. This is a bottomless pit, and disturbs the mathematical 'idealists', who believe that 'reality' is constructed along simple platonian laws. Which quite probably it is not. There seems to be some similarity between random-number-distribution, 1/f noise and several processes of radiactive decay. Mandelbrodt touched that, but I do not think he ever got to the core of the issue. As a mathematician he probably could not. --- Since the research community assumes half-lives to be reliable (almost w/status of physics constants e.g. isotope dating,) then shouldn't ANY anomaly raise red flags for investigation? This guy on sci.electronics.design below is building a tiny datalogger box, and if it's open source and easily copied, then double-blind testing wouldn't be difficult. Or do like the PEAR lab, and intentionally look for mental effects by running several loggers at widely spaced locations. Do check out his thread; he posts lots of jpegs of construction. PS They say yearly variation, 33-day variation, and transients before/during solar flares. Here's a nice review: http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1210/ML12101A262.pdf Interesting thread going on in SED newsgroup... How about it? Experiments of the third kind , take 99. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_thread/thread/d 99b2b7ad28787ba# Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design, sci.physics From: Jan Panteltje pantel...@yahoo.com Subject: How about it? Experiments of the third kind , take 99. Would the light intensity from a tritium light be [linear] proportional to the decay of the tritium? And then next year analyze the result (if any)? note, see: http://panteltje.com/pub/da_test_setup_IMG_3382.JPG http://panteltje.com/pub/tritium_light_movie_mvi_3243.avi http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/ (( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:Seasonal variation of halflife: tritium test
I've personally witnessed and done influencing dice throws in craps! The dealers in Las Vegas are quite astounded at the results. Most of the bets are hardways with payouts of about 30:1 . Surprisingly the casinos appear to like this as it brings quite large crowds around the tables. http://www.synccreation.com/vegas-adventure -Original Message- From: Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:52 PM ... Radioactive decay is assumed to be pure random. So much that it even is used as THE source of pure randomness, ie,THE ideal random-number generator. I always doubtet that. There are some hints, that our conceptions of randomness, which in the mathematical domain eg are gaussian distributions and ergodicity, do NOT apply to the REAL world. Only to such artificial constructions as throwing dice. Which are, if You think about it, are mental constructions, and as such collapse to tautologies. ...
[Vo]:New edition of A Student’s Guide to Cold Fusion
Edmund Storms has written a new edition of A Student’s Guide to Cold Fusion. This is one of our most popular papers, first introduced in 2003. The filename is the same: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEastudentsg.pdf - Jed
[Vo]:Spinon + Orbiton = Electron
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/19/splitting_the_electron/ Swiss, German physicists split the electron Spin here, orbit there By Richard Chirgwin 19th April 2012 00:01 GMT An international research team has observed an electron being split into two “quasi particles”, one carrying the original particle’s spin, the other carrying its orbital movement. Spin (giving rise to magnetism) and angular momentum (the path the electron follows around the nucleus of an atom) are two out of the electron’s three quantum properties (the other is charge). These properties attach to a single electron – unless, it seems, you pump the right substance with the right amount of energy. more
[Vo]:What is this?
Every time I post to Vortex-l I receive this immediately from Russia: Do you know what it's about? Header follows: Delivered-To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.118.134 with SMTP id v6csp307779vcq; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.85.230 with SMTP id k6mr1792898lbz.49.1334871848765; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from forward4.mail.yandex.net (forward4.mail.yandex.net. [77.88.46.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o2si1656584lbl.66.2012.04.19.14.44.08; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of forward4.mail.yandex.net designates 77.88.46.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=77.88.46.9; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of forward4.mail.yandex.net designates 77.88.46.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: from mxfront5.mail.yandex.net (mxfront5.mail.yandex.net [77.88.47.141]) -Original Message- From: ?? ?? [mailto:i-...@yandex.ru] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:44 PM To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Seasonal variation of halflife: tritium test test passed!
RE: [Vo]:What is this?
YUP - Yandex is Russian for bot.net (joke) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yandex They are a Ruskie wannabe version of Google, but instead they indulge in borderline illegality. Your computer could be compromised. -Original Message- From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. Subject: [Vo]:What is this? Every time I post to Vortex-l I receive this immediately from Russia: Do you know what it's about? Header follows: Delivered-To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.118.134 with SMTP id v6csp307779vcq; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.85.230 with SMTP id k6mr1792898lbz.49.1334871848765; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from forward4.mail.yandex.net (forward4.mail.yandex.net. [77.88.46.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o2si1656584lbl.66.2012.04.19.14.44.08; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of forward4.mail.yandex.net designates 77.88.46.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=77.88.46.9; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of forward4.mail.yandex.net designates 77.88.46.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: from mxfront5.mail.yandex.net (mxfront5.mail.yandex.net [77.88.47.141]) -Original Message- From: ?? ?? [mailto:i-...@yandex.ru] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:44 PM To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Seasonal variation of halflife: tritium test test passed!
RE: [Vo]:Spinon + Orbiton = Electron
Hmmm ... two out of three sounds a bit like Ken Shoulder's EVO ? Ken will probably get a charge out of this story ... g -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/19/splitting_the_electron/ Spin (giving rise to magnetism) and angular momentum (the path the electron follows around the nucleus of an atom) are two out of the electron's three quantum properties (the other is charge). These properties attach to a single electron - unless, it seems, you pump the right substance with the right amount of energy.
Re: [Vo]:Spinon + Orbiton = Electron
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Hmmm ... two out of three sounds a bit like Ken Shoulder's EVO ? Charge clusters and Hotson's ideas are s underappreciated. T
Re: [Vo]:Spinon + Orbiton = Electron
At 02:58 PM 4/19/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/19/splitting_the_electron/ But where does the CHARGE go ... either? both? If it were to go ONE way then the other would be chargeless and could maybe enter a proton. Once in, it could call its charged buddy to come and join it. (Usual ignorant speculation disclaimer comes here).
Re: [Vo]:What is this?
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: Every time I post to Vortex-l I receive this immediately from Russia: Do you know what it's about? Header follows: Delivered-To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.118.134 with SMTP id v6csp307779vcq; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:44:09 -0700 (PDT) -Original Message- From: ?? ?? [mailto:i-...@yandex.ru] One clue: there's a vortex-L subscriber: MkIV i-...@yandex.ru Probably the message is some sort of private auto-reply to vortex users. But only to you and nobody else here? Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:44 PM To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Seasonal variation of halflife: tritium test Another clue: your gmail is configured oddly. You have it set to take over the Reply-To line in your header. Normally that's left blank. Then, if you're subscribed to a typical mailing list, the list software sees the blank reply-to, and inserts the list address. That forces all of our list replies to automatically go to vortex-L by default, rather than replying privately to the posted message. If nobody else is getting these auto-reply messages, your Reply-To setting might be the trigger. Also note that currently if anyone on vortex replies to your postings, their mail sw will (probably silently) send the reply only to your private email addr and never post it to vortex. I don't know how to configure Reply-To in gmail. Other gmail users (jed, terry, peter g etc.) have blank Reply-To line, so either they had to figure out the setting, or perhaps gmail defaults to blank, and yours got changed somehow. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:Spinon + Orbiton = Electron
-Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/19/splitting_the_electron/ But where does the CHARGE go ... either? both? If it were to go ONE way then the other would be charge-less and could maybe enter a proton. Once in, it could call its charged buddy to come and join it. (Usual ignorant speculation disclaimer comes here). It is a good question, and the buddy system is not far off metaphorically (as in a condensate). In 1997 we saw the first modern direct evidence that electric current can be carried by quasiparticles with fractional charge (Weitzman Inst). But older experiments including those of Robert Millikan himself, probably saw found this. Here is a good article with relevant background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiparticle Millikan is regarded by some as one of the founders of American science - but he was also guilty of pathological science, ignoring evidence and fudging experiments. He held-back progress for a half-century on fractional charge, partly because of an underserved reputation, not to mention the flawed experiment (he only used about a third of his actual results - the ones where data fit into the desired outcome). An updated, automated (and equally flawed) Millikan-type experiment was undertaken at SLAC but it was seriously doomed by the assumption that nothing less than about 15% of the electron charge would be found. And nothing was found by them. That constraint changed the way the experiment can be meaningfully run, since - given the ubiquity of the fine structure constant, they should have designed a wide range experiment that would at least look for charge as low as e/137. The results of the many experiments agree with a theory which was formulated by Robert Laughlin to explain the fractional quantum Hall effect FQHE. According to Laughlin, electrons in strong magnetic fields form an exotic collective state, similar to the BEC state. This does not rule out Shoulder's claims. But any BEC-like agglomeration of electrons, although it may fit in with the experimental work of Ken Shoulders, will need to hide charge somewhere. Where? You ask. The sea, of course. Dirac's sea. Probably located just around the corner in reciprocal space g Jones attachment: winmail.dat
