[Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Does there exist any kind of natural phenomenon we currently know of that might be capable of (under specific conditions) transforming from matter into energy and then back into matter in a cyclically controlled fashion - presumably with the aid of an advanced form of 21st Century technology? Please, no 23rd century Star Trek transporter speculation need apply here... too many extrapolations. For example, I give the following crude scenario: Convert a magnetically contained plasma toroid of spinning sub-atomic particles protons (fermions) into photons (bosons) - and then convert the photons back into protons. Do this cyclically and very quickly with the aid of some kind of super-duper 21 century technology. I can't immediately think of such a methodology using 21st century technology. But then... there might be few on this list who'd care to shine some light on the matter... no pun intended. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:about bridge building in LENR, infoo
Dear Readers, I am very happy that you have returned to me. Today I speak about metaphoric bridge building in LENR. But things are going still too slowly. See please the INFO,i.a. Yuri Bazhutov does great things. My best wishes to you all. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
To me, Hotson’s view is also correct, and another way of saying the same thing… possibly more intuitive, since it recognizes that epo field can “materialize” when excited, but is always a background condition. From: Bob Higgins According to Hotson, pair production is not matter creation, it is only ionizing an epo (electron - positron pair in a DDL-like orbit). To me, this is far more plausible than matter creation. Jones Beene wrote: Steven, It’s called “pair production” and is well-known but requires high energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production …photons converted to matter and vice-versa. …kinda like, you know … dilithium crystals… :-) From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson Does there exist any kind of natural phenomenon we currently know of that might be capable of (under specific conditions) transforming from matter into energy and then back into matter in a cyclically controlled fashion - presumably with the aid of an advanced form of 21st Century technology? Please, no 23rd century Star Trek transporter speculation need apply here... too many extrapolations. For example, I give the following crude scenario: Convert a magnetically contained plasma toroid of spinning sub-atomic particles protons (fermions) into photons (bosons) – and then convert the photons back into protons. Do this cyclically and very quickly with the aid of some kind of super-duper 21 century technology. I can’t immediately think of such a methodology using 21st century technology. But then... there might be few on this list who'd care to shine some light on the matter... no pun intended. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:accusations, fragmenttaion and some info
The last article was directly related to you and Larson. Like Konrad Zuse, both Yiannis and Peter were among the first to came up with a radical nanoplasmonic concepts for LENR. Both you and John were marginalized within the LENR community. Then as time moves forward, people like Larson use your concepts in their theories, while Yiannis like Zuse is ridiculed and forgotten for the corner stone contributions that were made. The ideas that were so generously shared not long ago were ridiculed just a few years ago are now becoming doctrinaire in LENR. I did not want to say these things directly to avoid trouble for you and a war in LENR so I came up with an analogy of the situation. If somebody took offence then I could discount any connection. I am coming up with an article to show that the production of neutrons form electrons cannot cause LENR. On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, very interesting but not strongly connected to LENR. Peter On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The strange case of Konrad Zuse Konrad Zuse was a German civil engineer, inventor and computer pioneer. His greatest achievement was the world's first programmable computer; the functional program-controlled Turing-complete Z3 became operational in May 1941. Thanks to this machine and its predecessors, Zuse has often been regarded as the inventor of the modern computer. In 1967 after his computer company failed, Zuse suggested that the universe itself is running on a cellular automaton or similar computational structure. This concept is the foundation of digital physics, a trend of thought that has recently captured the mainstream of physics research. In 1969, he published the book Rechnender Raum (translated into English as Calculating Space). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atMuFCpxnUQ At 50:00 of this video covering digital physics, a revealing anecdote tells how Zuse’s book was so revolutionary and fringe that all who knew him shunned him. People thought he was nuts. He was forced out of his profession and subsequently became an artist in order to express himself and his views of the universe in his painting. This instance is one of many that illustrate that ideas can be too revolutionary and ahead of their time, so much so, that the people who come up with these ideas are marginalized and removed from the society in which they live. It also goes to show that thinking can change over time to evolve into the most extraordinary examples of progress in the ascent of the mind of humankind. And yet the intellectual trail breakers that propose and develop these new ideas are oftentimes treated badly and relegated to obscurity of the ash bin of history. Bringing this truth about the natural development in human thought home into the progress of LENR, the reason why there is so much division, hostility, accusation, and fragmentation in the field of LENR is that there is an rapid evolution in the evaluation of and debate in the most extraordinary and revolutionary ideas that are central to the successful development of LENR. On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: 80% of the surprises are negative, This morning I had a confirmation, See please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/accusations-fragmentation-and-info-for.html But I used it to call your attention to a dangerous process- fragmenation. Communities are radioactive? Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Steven, It's called pair production and is well-known but requires high energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production .photons converted to matter and vice-versa. .kinda like, you know . dilithium crystals. J From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson Does there exist any kind of natural phenomenon we currently know of that might be capable of (under specific conditions) transforming from matter into energy and then back into matter in a cyclically controlled fashion - presumably with the aid of an advanced form of 21st Century technology? Please, no 23rd century Star Trek transporter speculation need apply here... too many extrapolations. For example, I give the following crude scenario: Convert a magnetically contained plasma toroid of spinning sub-atomic particles protons (fermions) into photons (bosons) - and then convert the photons back into protons. Do this cyclically and very quickly with the aid of some kind of super-duper 21 century technology. I can't immediately think of such a methodology using 21st century technology. But then... there might be few on this list who'd care to shine some light on the matter... no pun intended. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
According to Hotson, pair production is not matter creation, it is only ionizing an epo (electron - positron pair in a DDL-like orbit). To me, this is far more plausible than matter creation. On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Steven, It’s called “pair production” and is well-known but requires high energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production …photons converted to matter and vice-versa. …kinda like, you know … dilithium crystals… J *From:* Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson Does there exist any kind of natural phenomenon we currently know of that might be capable of (under specific conditions) transforming from matter into energy and then back into matter in a cyclically controlled fashion - presumably with the aid of an advanced form of 21st Century technology? Please, no 23rd century Star Trek transporter speculation need apply here... too many extrapolations. For example, I give the following crude scenario: Convert a magnetically contained plasma toroid of spinning sub-atomic particles protons (fermions) into photons (bosons) – and then convert the photons back into protons. Do this cyclically and very quickly with the aid of some kind of super-duper 21 century technology. I can’t immediately think of such a methodology using 21st century technology. But then... there might be few on this list who'd care to shine some light on the matter... no pun intended. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:accusations, fragmenttaion and some info
Thank you very much but you have a too good opinion about me. As regarding Larsen he actually has attacked you and the whole thing waqs awfully clumsy- i see this goes to Vortex and I have to censor my wording. I have not much hopes that Widom and Srivastava will start discussing with you and other LENR colleagues as I have invited them via LENR Cities. But who knows. Peter On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The last article was directly related to you and Larson. Like Konrad Zuse, both Yiannis and Peter were among the first to came up with a radical nanoplasmonic concepts for LENR. Both you and John were marginalized within the LENR community. Then as time moves forward, people like Larson use your concepts in their theories, while Yiannis like Zuse is ridiculed and forgotten for the corner stone contributions that were made. The ideas that were so generously shared not long ago were ridiculed just a few years ago are now becoming doctrinaire in LENR. I did not want to say these things directly to avoid trouble for you and a war in LENR so I came up with an analogy of the situation. If somebody took offence then I could discount any connection. I am coming up with an article to show that the production of neutrons form electrons cannot cause LENR. On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, very interesting but not strongly connected to LENR. Peter On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The strange case of Konrad Zuse Konrad Zuse was a German civil engineer, inventor and computer pioneer. His greatest achievement was the world's first programmable computer; the functional program-controlled Turing-complete Z3 became operational in May 1941. Thanks to this machine and its predecessors, Zuse has often been regarded as the inventor of the modern computer. In 1967 after his computer company failed, Zuse suggested that the universe itself is running on a cellular automaton or similar computational structure. This concept is the foundation of digital physics, a trend of thought that has recently captured the mainstream of physics research. In 1969, he published the book Rechnender Raum (translated into English as Calculating Space). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atMuFCpxnUQ At 50:00 of this video covering digital physics, a revealing anecdote tells how Zuse’s book was so revolutionary and fringe that all who knew him shunned him. People thought he was nuts. He was forced out of his profession and subsequently became an artist in order to express himself and his views of the universe in his painting. This instance is one of many that illustrate that ideas can be too revolutionary and ahead of their time, so much so, that the people who come up with these ideas are marginalized and removed from the society in which they live. It also goes to show that thinking can change over time to evolve into the most extraordinary examples of progress in the ascent of the mind of humankind. And yet the intellectual trail breakers that propose and develop these new ideas are oftentimes treated badly and relegated to obscurity of the ash bin of history. Bringing this truth about the natural development in human thought home into the progress of LENR, the reason why there is so much division, hostility, accusation, and fragmentation in the field of LENR is that there is an rapid evolution in the evaluation of and debate in the most extraordinary and revolutionary ideas that are central to the successful development of LENR. On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: 80% of the surprises are negative, This morning I had a confirmation, See please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/accusations-fragmentation-and-info-for.html But I used it to call your attention to a dangerous process- fragmenation. Communities are radioactive? Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Bob, Jones, Thanks for humoring me. I am not surprised that discussing energy/matter conversion techniques in 21st century terms is, how should I put it, a debatable matter. Here's where I'm going with my previous request: If practical M/E conversion technology could eventually be developed I think there might exist a particular type of thrust engine (mimicking anti-gravity) that could be developed capable of manipulating principals involving escape velocity angular momentum. Think of Newton's famous illustration showing a cannon shooting a series of cannon balls around the earth with increasing values of velocity. Given enough velocity, you eventually can get a cannon ball into an orbit around Earth. With a little more velocity, it's off to the Moon and beyond! Now, think of a unique kind of high-tech cannon ball (matter) that's travelling faster than 17.5k mph, a ball of mass that we could technologically convert into energy after only a short distance so that something like a mirror could reflect all the photons back, let's say back at approximately 180 degrees. Then, after a very short time, convert the ball of photons back into a ball of mass so that once again it continues to travel at 17.5k mph. Think of a fun house, a house of mirrors where you see yourself reflected ad-infinitum. It seems to me that since Earth's curvature, and associated gravity field, is still a physical factor in the cannon ball's back-and-forth velocity (which is still travelling at escape velocity)... I think that little critter is going to want to go up, up, UP, even though it's not travelling around Earth. I don't claim doing this is possible, or even practical; certainly not with the kind of technology we current have. I only claim that if a newfangled contraption could be built that could whack a bunch of malleable mass back-and-forth between a set of mirrors when it's briefly converted into its energy phase... according to my understanding of Newtonian physics, it just might work. I have a fallback plan. There's this guy trying to sell me shares in a dilithium mine. Out in the Gobi Desert somewhere. Wave of the future! A sure deal. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Is the new MFMP test flawed from the start?
I wasn't aware of photon multiplication as a potential hindrance to IR testing (in the context of thermometry) until recently, but it is a hot topic in Optics journals these days. Was it even mentioned wrt Lugano? Doubt it. For instance - with quantum dots as the receptor, 7 new visible photons can be emitted from every UV photon entering the dot. This would change the blackbody curve of the thermal emitter should it also be a UV emitter. Does the glow stick contain quantum dots and does the gain involve UV? The would greatly alter assumptions. Much was made of the alumina emissivity problem, but that is a different subject than photon multiplication (which relates to another underlying assumption - that the thermal emitter is not an intrinsic light source). Thus, emissivity is different from multiplication - and both can cause errors. Bob Higgins revised the suspected Lugano temperature down to 1100C, from the original 1410C - based on an emissivity correction, but if photon multiplication was happening at the same time, and the E-Cat is an intrinsic UV emitter - there could be even less energy gain than the thermal calculation indicates. The sad thing is that in both cases, the simple expedient of a specialty black coating could solve the problem. Surely MFMP are now aware of the necessity of such a coating. Here is one of many companies which provides them. http://www.aremco.com/high-emissivity-coatings/ According to E-Cat World, a new glow-stick test is underway. The plan is to use a non-contact thermometry again, including an IR thermometer rather than the thermocouple that was used with the Padua test. Both the IR thermometer and the Optris Pi 160 will give incorrect readings if IR photons are multiplied in the range in which they operate. unless coated. Personally, I do not believe that K-type thermocouples will be accurate either, so the black coating is a must. Type K may be used up to 1260C in non-oxidizing or inert atmospheres. According to experts, in marginally oxidizing atmosphere, such as coated with a ceramic cement and operating in air, the situation is different. As low as 800C the chromel wire of the pair will start to corrode in a phenomenon known as green rot. Anyway, if it's not too late - please paint the reactor with high emissivity paint and use a platinum thermocouple. Otherwise - expect to hear the same complaints from skeptics as before.
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Hauke, I think your design concept is pretty much the same concept as mine. I would also speculate that using hydrogen atoms, or perhaps a hydrogen plasma stream, would help simplify what engineering might be involved. If there is a cover... then yes, it would be my suspicion that an upward thrust would be generated. Wish there was a way to find out if such an experiment could be conducted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Hauke Hein [mailto:hhe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 4:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Hi Steven I read your idea with the cannonball between two reflekting mirrors. I had an idea similar but with lets say hydrogen atoms reflectet between two vertical parallel walls at escape velocity.I think those particals would follow a parabolic path climbing between the vertical walls.I wonder what would happen if one would install a horizontal cover on top of the parallel walls limiting the upwards movement of those oscillating particals?would they generate an upward pressure? Next question: what would happen if this takes place in a closed box? Hauke Hein --- Mensaje Original --- Desde: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net mailto:orionwo...@charter.net Enviado: 27 de julio de 2015 16:09 Para: vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Asunto: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Bob, Jones, Thanks for humoring me. I am not surprised that discussing energy/matter conversion techniques in 21st century terms is, how should I put it, a debatable matter. Here's where I'm going with my previous request: If practical M/E conversion technology could eventually be developed I think there might exist a particular type of thrust engine (mimicking anti-gravity) that could be developed capable of manipulating principals involving escape velocity angular momentum. Think of Newton's famous illustration showing a cannon shooting a series of cannon balls around the earth with increasing values of velocity. Given enough velocity, you eventually can get a cannon ball into an orbit around Earth. With a little more velocity, it's off to the Moon and beyond! Now, think of a unique kind of high-tech cannon ball (matter) that's travelling faster than 17.5k mph, a ball of mass that we could technologically convert into energy after only a short distance so that something like a mirror could reflect all the photons back, let's say back at approximately 180 degrees. Then, after a very short time, convert the ball of photons back into a ball of mass so that once again it continues to travel at 17.5k mph. Think of a fun house, a house of mirrors where you see yourself reflected ad-infinitum. It seems to me that since Earth's curvature, and associated gravity field, is still a physical factor in the cannon ball's back-and-forth velocity (which is still travelling at escape velocity)... I think that little critter is going to want to go up, up, UP, even though it's not travelling around Earth. I don't claim doing this is possible, or even practical; certainly not with the kind of technology we current have. I only claim that if a newfangled contraption could be built that could whack a bunch of malleable mass back-and-forth between a set of mirrors when it's briefly converted into its energy phase... according to my understanding of Newtonian physics, it just might work. I have a fallback plan. There's this guy trying to sell me shares in a dilithium mine. Out in the Gobi Desert somewhere. Wave of the future! A sure deal. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Hi Steven I read your idea with the cannonball between two reflekting mirrors. I had an idea similar but with lets say hydrogen atoms reflectet between two vertical parallel walls at escape velocity.I think those particals would follow a parabolic path climbing between the vertical walls.I wonder what would happen if one would install a horizontal cover on top of the parallel walls limiting the upwards movement of those oscillating particals?would they generate an upward pressure? Next question: what would happen if this takes place in a closed box? Hauke Hein --- Mensaje Original --- Desde: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net Enviado: 27 de julio de 2015 16:09 Para: vortex-l@eskimo.com Asunto: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Bob, Jones, Thanks for humoring me. I am not surprised that discussing energy/matter conversion techniques in 21st century terms is, how should I put it, a debatable matter. Here's where I'm going with my previous request: If practical M/E conversion technology could eventually be developed I think there might exist a particular type of thrust engine (mimicking anti-gravity) that could be developed capable of manipulating principals involving escape velocity angular momentum. Think of Newton's famous illustration showing a cannon shooting a series of cannon balls around the earth with increasing values of velocity. Given enough velocity, you eventually can get a cannon ball into an orbit around Earth. With a little more velocity, it's off to the Moon and beyond! Now, think of a unique kind of high-tech cannon ball (matter) that's travelling faster than 17.5k mph, a ball of mass that we could technologically convert into energy after only a short distance so that something like a mirror could reflect all the photons back, let's say back at approximately 180 degrees. Then, after a very short time, convert the ball of photons back into a ball of mass so that once again it continues to travel at 17.5k mph. Think of a fun house, a house of mirrors where you see yourself reflected ad-infinitum. It seems to me that since Earth's curvature, and associated gravity field, is still a physical factor in the cannon ball's back-and-forth velocity (which is still travelling at escape velocity)... I think that little critter is going to want to go up, up, UP, even though it's not travelling around Earth. I don't claim doing this is possible, or even practical; certainly not with the kind of technology we current have. I only claim that if a newfangled contraption could be built that could whack a bunch of malleable mass back-and-forth between a set of mirrors when it's briefly converted into its energy phase... according to my understanding of Newtonian physics, it just might work. I have a fallback plan. There's this guy trying to sell me shares in a dilithium mine. Out in the Gobi Desert somewhere. Wave of the future! A sure deal. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Jones wrote: It's called pair production and is well-known but requires high energy. Correction to the statement, . requires high energy. ONLY IF DEALING WITH THE INTERACTING ELEMENTS IN A NON-RESONANT MANNER. If you were using a process involving resonant principles, then much lower energy could be used. And there are a few other caveats too. -mark iverson From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 10:12 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Steven, It's called pair production and is well-known but requires high energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production .photons converted to matter and vice-versa. .kinda like, you know . dilithium crystals. J From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson Does there exist any kind of natural phenomenon we currently know of that might be capable of (under specific conditions) transforming from matter into energy and then back into matter in a cyclically controlled fashion - presumably with the aid of an advanced form of 21st Century technology? Please, no 23rd century Star Trek transporter speculation need apply here... too many extrapolations. For example, I give the following crude scenario: Convert a magnetically contained plasma toroid of spinning sub-atomic particles protons (fermions) into photons (bosons) - and then convert the photons back into protons. Do this cyclically and very quickly with the aid of some kind of super-duper 21 century technology. I can't immediately think of such a methodology using 21st century technology. But then... there might be few on this list who'd care to shine some light on the matter... no pun intended. Comments? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Scientists Confirm 'Impossible' EM Drive Propulsion
Scientists Confirm 'Impossible' EM Drive Propulsion https://hacked.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Xenon_hall_thruster-750x500.jpg Later today, July 27, German scientists will present new experimental results on the controversial, impossible EM Drive, at the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics' Propulsion and Energy Forum in Orlando. The presentation is titled Direct Thrust Measurements of an EmDrive and Evaluation of Possible Side-Effects. Beware of the hacked web site. I got a bad site security warning on it. http://www.examiner.com/article/german-scientists-confirm-nasa-results-of-propellentless-impossible-em-drive also see http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/24/emdrive-space-drive-pluto-mission
RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back
Hi Steven I was thinking that maybe hydrogen at low pressure and moderate temperature has a molecular rms velocity of close to escape velocity. If one would calculate the weight of the hydrogen inside a hermetically closed container that has the right pressure and temperature for rms escape velocity and then weigh it with an supersensitive balance there might be a difference .I guess a certain percentage of the molecules would due to there speed and trajectory behave like the ones between parallel vertical plates like in our communication before and generate a small upward push. I know that should not work in a closed system but heck the EMDRIVE seems to work and that is a closed system! Regards Hauke Hein --- Mensaje Original --- Desde: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net Enviado: 27 de julio de 2015 18:33 Para: vortex-l@eskimo.com Asunto: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Hauke, I think your design concept is pretty much the same concept as mine. I would also speculate that using hydrogen atoms, or perhaps a hydrogen plasma stream, would help simplify what engineering might be involved. If there is a cover... then yes, it would be my suspicion that an upward thrust would be generated. Wish there was a way to find out if such an experiment could be conducted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Hauke Hein [mailto:hhe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 4:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Hi Steven I read your idea with the cannonball between two reflekting mirrors. I had an idea similar but with lets say hydrogen atoms reflectet between two vertical parallel walls at escape velocity.I think those particals would follow a parabolic path climbing between the vertical walls.I wonder what would happen if one would install a horizontal cover on top of the parallel walls limiting the upwards movement of those oscillating particals?would they generate an upward pressure? Next question: what would happen if this takes place in a closed box? Hauke Hein --- Mensaje Original --- Desde: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net mailto:orionwo...@charter.net Enviado: 27 de julio de 2015 16:09 Para: vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Asunto: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back Bob, Jones, Thanks for humoring me. I am not surprised that discussing energy/matter conversion techniques in 21st century terms is, how should I put it, a debatable matter. Here's where I'm going with my previous request: If practical M/E conversion technology could eventually be developed I think there might exist a particular type of thrust engine (mimicking anti-gravity) that could be developed capable of manipulating principals involving escape velocity angular momentum. Think of Newton's famous illustration showing a cannon shooting a series of cannon balls around the earth with increasing values of velocity. Given enough velocity, you eventually can get a cannon ball into an orbit around Earth. With a little more velocity, it's off to the Moon and beyond! Now, think of a unique kind of high-tech cannon ball (matter) that's travelling faster than 17.5k mph, a ball of mass that we could technologically convert into energy after only a short distance so that something like a mirror could reflect all the photons back, let's say back at approximately 180 degrees. Then, after a very short time, convert the ball of photons back into a ball of mass so that once again it continues to travel at 17.5k mph. Think of a fun house, a house of mirrors where you see yourself reflected ad-infinitum. It seems to me that since Earth's curvature, and associated gravity field, is still a physical factor in the cannon ball's back-and-forth velocity (which is still travelling at escape velocity)... I think that little critter is going to want to go up, up, UP, even though it's not travelling around Earth. I don't claim doing this is possible, or even practical; certainly not with the kind of technology we current have. I only claim that if a newfangled contraption could be built that could whack a bunch of malleable mass back-and-forth between a set of mirrors when it's briefly converted into its energy phase... according to my understanding of Newtonian physics, it just might work. I have a fallback plan. There's this guy trying to sell me shares in a dilithium mine. Out in the Gobi Desert somewhere. Wave of the future! A sure deal. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:accusations, fragmenttaion and some info
Thanks, very interesting but not strongly connected to LENR. Peter On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The strange case of Konrad Zuse Konrad Zuse was a German civil engineer, inventor and computer pioneer. His greatest achievement was the world's first programmable computer; the functional program-controlled Turing-complete Z3 became operational in May 1941. Thanks to this machine and its predecessors, Zuse has often been regarded as the inventor of the modern computer. In 1967 after his computer company failed, Zuse suggested that the universe itself is running on a cellular automaton or similar computational structure. This concept is the foundation of digital physics, a trend of thought that has recently captured the mainstream of physics research. In 1969, he published the book Rechnender Raum (translated into English as Calculating Space). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atMuFCpxnUQ At 50:00 of this video covering digital physics, a revealing anecdote tells how Zuse’s book was so revolutionary and fringe that all who knew him shunned him. People thought he was nuts. He was forced out of his profession and subsequently became an artist in order to express himself and his views of the universe in his painting. This instance is one of many that illustrate that ideas can be too revolutionary and ahead of their time, so much so, that the people who come up with these ideas are marginalized and removed from the society in which they live. It also goes to show that thinking can change over time to evolve into the most extraordinary examples of progress in the ascent of the mind of humankind. And yet the intellectual trail breakers that propose and develop these new ideas are oftentimes treated badly and relegated to obscurity of the ash bin of history. Bringing this truth about the natural development in human thought home into the progress of LENR, the reason why there is so much division, hostility, accusation, and fragmentation in the field of LENR is that there is an rapid evolution in the evaluation of and debate in the most extraordinary and revolutionary ideas that are central to the successful development of LENR. On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: 80% of the surprises are negative, This morning I had a confirmation, See please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/accusations-fragmentation-and-info-for.html But I used it to call your attention to a dangerous process- fragmenation. Communities are radioactive? Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
