Re: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[Axil Axil]

As a produce of radioactive decay. the muon is left handed charal.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:53 PM, JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Dunno. Perhaps there is a cross-section for muon absorption and it has a
> resonance – as you say.
>
>
>
> Axil posted about chirality change speeding up decay… maybe the 6s
> electron flips the chirality of the muon and it decays much faster
> thereafter. Thus there is an inverse relationship with the thickness of
> what should be a shield.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *bobcook39...@hotmail.com
>
> Jones—
>
>
>
> Why do muons react more easily with relativistic electrons in the 6s shell
> of Pb than with less energetic ones?   Is it because of the greater loss of
> energy associated with the lower differential masses, and/or some resonance
> in the energy field coupling between a muon and a heavy  (relativistic)
> electron?   Neutral muons should not be affected the same way IMHO.
>
>
>
> I wonder what electro chemists have to say about the Swedish/Finish
> article?
>
>
>
> Are there other elements that conduct electricity well that have heavy
> electrons like Pb?  Is it only s shell electrons that become/are
> sufficiently heavy to cause the higher voltage during an
> oxidation/reduction?   Thorium comes to mind as likely having heavy s shell
> electrons.
>
>
>
> Bob  Cook
>
>
>
> *From: *JonesBeene 
>
>
>
> Interesting...
>
> I have reproduced a version of Vysotskii's undamped thermal waves results
> which he detects using a peizo-electric detector with a high frequency
> range (which I could only get from the states).  The results suggest that
> whatever is being detected is travelling far faster than the velocity of
> sound.  The detectors are made of PZT = lead zirconate titanate.  Could
> this unusual property of lead be a clue to what is going on with the Vysotskii
> measurements?
>
> Nigel,
>
> Yes that is a distinct possibility. I would imagine that the relativistic
> electrons can transfer quanta of spin energy - following which their
> velocity is replenished by the zero point field.
>
> The spin would initially interact with thermal waves in the THZ or IR
> range in the process of downshifting.
>
>
>
> JonesBeene wrote:
>
>
>
> Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as
> well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work at
> all.  Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted.
>
>
>
> More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of the
> power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 13 V of
> the electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron effects (as
> opposed to redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually fast 6s orbital
> of lead and a few other heavy metals. The relativistic electrons (they are
> paired) could relate to why lead shielding (or normal radioactivity) could
> actually increase the signal from muon interaction, rather than shielding
> against it.
>
>
>
> https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[JonesBeene]

Dunno. Perhaps there is a cross-section for muon absorption and it has a 
resonance – as you say.

Axil posted about chirality change speeding up decay… maybe the 6s electron 
flips the chirality of the muon and it decays much faster thereafter. Thus 
there is an inverse relationship with the thickness of what should be a shield.


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Jones—

Why do muons react more easily with relativistic electrons in the 6s shell of 
Pb than with less energetic ones?   Is it because of the greater loss of energy 
associated with the lower differential masses, and/or some resonance in the 
energy field coupling between a muon and a heavy  (relativistic) electron?   
Neutral muons should not be affected the same way IMHO.

I wonder what electro chemists have to say about the Swedish/Finish article?  

Are there other elements that conduct electricity well that have heavy 
electrons like Pb?  Is it only s shell electrons that become/are sufficiently 
heavy to cause the higher voltage during an oxidation/reduction?   Thorium 
comes to mind as likely having heavy s shell electrons.

Bob  Cook

From: JonesBeene

Interesting...
I have reproduced a version of Vysotskii's undamped thermal waves results which 
he detects using a peizo-electric detector with a high frequency range (which I 
could only get from the states).  The results suggest that whatever is being 
detected is travelling far faster than the velocity of sound.  The detectors 
are made of PZT = lead zirconate titanate.  Could this unusual property of lead 
be a clue to what is going on with the Vysotskii measurements?
Nigel,
Yes that is a distinct possibility. I would imagine that the relativistic 
electrons can transfer quanta of spin energy - following which their velocity 
is replenished by the zero point field.
The spin would initially interact with thermal waves in the THZ or IR range in 
the process of downshifting.

JonesBeene wrote:
 
Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as 
well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work at all.  
Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted. 
 
More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of the 
power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 13 V of the 
electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron effects (as opposed to 
redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually fast 6s orbital of lead and a 
few other heavy metals. The relativistic electrons (they are paired) could 
relate to why lead shielding (or normal radioactivity) could actually increase 
the signal from muon interaction, rather than shielding against it.
 
https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html
 

Re: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[Axil Axil]

I don't think that electrons have anything to do with the production of
NUCLEAR produces as registered by  radiation detectors. To generate these
radiation produces, the nucleus must be excited and a subsequent decay must
occur. This process is sticky fission.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:11 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jones—
>
>
>
> Why do muons react more easily with relativistic electrons in the 6s shell
> of Pb than with less energetic ones?   Is it because of the greater loss of
> energy associated with the lower differential masses, and/or some resonance
> in the energy field coupling between a muon and a heavy  (relativistic)
> electron?   Neutral muons should not be affected the same way IMHO.
>
>
>
> I wonder what electro chemists have to say about the Swedish/Finish
> article?
>
>
>
> Are there other elements that conduct electricity well that have heavy
> electrons like Pb?  Is it only s shell electrons that become/are
> sufficiently heavy to cause the higher voltage during an
> oxidation/reduction?   Thorium comes to mind as likely having heavy s shell
> electrons.
>
>
>
> Bob  Cook
>
>
>
> *From: *JonesBeene 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:43 PM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *RE: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals
>
>
>
> *From: *Nigel Dyer 
>
>
>
> Interesting...
>
> I have reproduced a version of Vysotskii's undamped thermal waves results
> which he detects using a peizo-electric detector with a high frequency
> range (which I could only get from the states).  The results suggest that
> whatever is being detected is travelling far faster than the velocity of
> sound.  The detectors are made of PZT = lead zirconate titanate.  Could
> this unusual property of lead be a clue to what is going on with the Vysotskii
> measurements?
>
> Nigel,
>
> Yes that is a distinct possibility. I would imagine that the relativistic
> electrons can transfer quanta of spin energy - following which their
> velocity is replenished by the zero point field.
>
> The spin would initially interact with thermal waves in the THZ or IR
> range in the process of downshifting.
>
>
>
> JonesBeene wrote:
>
>
>
> Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as
> well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work at
> all.  Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted.
>
>
>
> More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of the
> power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 13 V of
> the electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron effects (as
> opposed to redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually fast 6s orbital
> of lead and a few other heavy metals. The relativistic electrons (they are
> paired) could relate to why lead shielding (or normal radioactivity) could
> actually increase the signal from muon interaction, rather than shielding
> against it.
>
>
>
> https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html
>
>
>
> Possibly - the relativistic electron effect has relevance to LENR in the
> form of trace elements found in electrodes by chance-  and there are a few
> candidate elements which have the 6S electron. But palladium or nickel do
> not.
>
>
>
> Yet from the earliest days of P, some electrodes worked better than
> others of the same nominal composition. In their hero effort in France only
> 2 of 7 Pd electrodes worked. In commercial metallurgy – anything less than
> 1% contamination is seldom reported since it is either not deemed to be
> critical or the alloy assay techniques are not accurate for low percentages.
>
>
>
> In fact, “Coolessence” the Colorado Lab now defunct, did some interesting
> work with lead and palladium. No one took notice.
>
>
>
> The element mercury is another candidate dopant which has the relativistic
> 6s electrons. There are at least 4 metals of interest.
>
>
>
> Mercury is found in palladium ore (temagamite
> ) and could inadvertently be
> present as a trace element in Pd electrodes as a fractional percent but
> never mentioned. The reason Hg is a liquid relates to the relativistic
> orbital which is also found in the element bismuth. It is possible that
> traces of mercury, lead or bismuth could be  the “mystery element” – the
> hidden  reactant in certain palladium electrodes which work better than
> pure metal. BTW - Silver does not have the relativistic electrons but gold
> does.
>
>
>
> The “inert pair effect” of lead, mercury, gold and bismuth refers to the
> tendency in these heavy metals for their 6s electrons in the valence cloud
> to resist oxidation - and the effect could possibly be put to planned use
> by doping with higher levels. In fact, although not well known, hydrogen
> can react with lead to form a gas called Plumbane, PbH4, but this is not
> well characterized or studied, since it is 

RE: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Why do muons react more easily with relativistic electrons in the 6s shell of 
Pb than with less energetic ones?   Is it because of the greater loss of energy 
associated with the lower differential masses, and/or some resonance in the 
energy field coupling between a muon and a heavy  (relativistic) electron?   
Neutral muons should not be affected the same way IMHO.

I wonder what electro chemists have to say about the Swedish/Finish article?

Are there other elements that conduct electricity well that have heavy 
electrons like Pb?  Is it only s shell electrons that become/are sufficiently 
heavy to cause the higher voltage during an oxidation/reduction?   Thorium 
comes to mind as likely having heavy s shell electrons.

Bob  Cook

From: JonesBeene
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

From: Nigel Dyer


Interesting...

I have reproduced a version of Vysotskii's undamped thermal waves results which 
he detects using a peizo-electric detector with a high frequency range (which I 
could only get from the states).  The results suggest that whatever is being 
detected is travelling far faster than the velocity of sound.  The detectors 
are made of PZT = lead zirconate titanate.  Could this unusual property of lead 
be a clue to what is going on with the Vysotskii measurements?

Nigel,

Yes that is a distinct possibility. I would imagine that the relativistic 
electrons can transfer quanta of spin energy - following which their velocity 
is replenished by the zero point field.

The spin would initially interact with thermal waves in the THZ or IR range in 
the process of downshifting.

JonesBeene wrote:

Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as 
well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work at all.  
Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted.

More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of the 
power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 13 V of the 
electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron effects (as opposed to 
redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually fast 6s orbital of lead and a 
few other heavy metals. The relativistic electrons (they are paired) could 
relate to why lead shielding (or normal radioactivity) could actually increase 
the signal from muon interaction, rather than shielding against it.

https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html

Possibly - the relativistic electron effect has relevance to LENR in the form 
of trace elements found in electrodes by chance-  and there are a few candidate 
elements which have the 6S electron. But palladium or nickel do not.

Yet from the earliest days of P, some electrodes worked better than others of 
the same nominal composition. In their hero effort in France only 2 of 7 Pd 
electrodes worked. In commercial metallurgy – anything less than 1% 
contamination is seldom reported since it is either not deemed to be critical 
or the alloy assay techniques are not accurate for low percentages.

In fact, “Coolessence” the Colorado Lab now defunct, did some interesting work 
with lead and palladium. No one took notice.

The element mercury is another candidate dopant which has the relativistic 6s 
electrons. There are at least 4 metals of interest.

Mercury is found in palladium ore 
(temagamite) and could inadvertently 
be present as a trace element in Pd electrodes as a fractional percent but 
never mentioned. The reason Hg is a liquid relates to the relativistic orbital 
which is also found in the element bismuth. It is possible that traces of 
mercury, lead or bismuth could be  the “mystery element” – the hidden  reactant 
in certain palladium electrodes which work better than pure metal. BTW - Silver 
does not have the relativistic electrons but gold does.

The “inert pair effect” of lead, mercury, gold and bismuth refers to the 
tendency in these heavy metals for their 6s electrons in the valence cloud to 
resist oxidation - and the effect could possibly be put to planned use by 
doping with higher levels. In fact, although not well known, hydrogen can react 
with lead to form a gas called Plumbane, PbH4, but this is not well 
characterized or studied, since it is unstable. Lead is a Mills catalyst and so 
it is reasonable that densification activity with hydrogen would lead to a more 
stable form of the molecule along with excess energy. The chemical instability 
could be a plus in terms of asymmetry.

It would be interesting to see if plumbane, which is a gas at ambient 
temperature (surprisingly) could be reacted or densified in such a way that one 
or more of the four protons drop to the 54.4 eV redundancy state. This would be 
a fabulous rocket fuel, even with the high 

[Vo]:transmutation from LENR fuel

[Axil Axil]

 An example of the transmutation produced by ultra dense hydrogen that is
emitted from LENR fuel used by en356

This is a SEM micrograph of the fuel. The transmutation is occuring on
carbon sample tape.

If you like this picture, I will show you more of them, so make some noise.

RE: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[JonesBeene]

From: Nigel Dyer

Interesting...
I have reproduced a version of Vysotskii's undamped thermal waves results which 
he detects using a peizo-electric detector with a high frequency range (which I 
could only get from the states).  The results suggest that whatever is being 
detected is travelling far faster than the velocity of sound.  The detectors 
are made of PZT = lead zirconate titanate.  Could this unusual property of lead 
be a clue to what is going on with the Vysotskii measurements?
Nigel,
Yes that is a distinct possibility. I would imagine that the relativistic 
electrons can transfer quanta of spin energy - following which their velocity 
is replenished by the zero point field.
The spin would initially interact with thermal waves in the THZ or IR range in 
the process of downshifting.

 JonesBeene wrote:
 
Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as 
well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work at all.  
Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted. 
 
More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of the 
power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 13 V of the 
electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron effects (as opposed to 
redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually fast 6s orbital of lead and a 
few other heavy metals. The relativistic electrons (they are paired) could 
relate to why lead shielding (or normal radioactivity) could actually increase 
the signal from muon interaction, rather than shielding against it.
 
https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html
 
Possibly - the relativistic electron effect has relevance to LENR in the form 
of trace elements found in electrodes by chance-  and there are a few candidate 
elements which have the 6S electron. But palladium or nickel do not. 
 
Yet from the earliest days of P, some electrodes worked better than others of 
the same nominal composition. In their hero effort in France only 2 of 7 Pd 
electrodes worked. In commercial metallurgy – anything less than 1% 
contamination is seldom reported since it is either not deemed to be critical 
or the alloy assay techniques are not accurate for low percentages.
 
In fact, “Coolessence” the Colorado Lab now defunct, did some interesting work 
with lead and palladium. No one took notice. 
 
The element mercury is another candidate dopant which has the relativistic 6s 
electrons. There are at least 4 metals of interest.
 
Mercury is found in palladium ore (temagamite) and could inadvertently be 
present as a trace element in Pd electrodes as a fractional percent but never 
mentioned. The reason Hg is a liquid relates to the relativistic orbital which 
is also found in the element bismuth. It is possible that traces of mercury, 
lead or bismuth could be  the “mystery element” – the hidden  reactant in 
certain palladium electrodes which work better than pure metal. BTW - Silver 
does not have the relativistic electrons but gold does.
 
The “inert pair effect” of lead, mercury, gold and bismuth refers to the 
tendency in these heavy metals for their 6s electrons in the valence cloud to 
resist oxidation - and the effect could possibly be put to planned use by 
doping with higher levels. In fact, although not well known, hydrogen can react 
with lead to form a gas called Plumbane, PbH4, but this is not well 
characterized or studied, since it is unstable. Lead is a Mills catalyst and so 
it is reasonable that densification activity with hydrogen would lead to a more 
stable form of the molecule along with excess energy. The chemical instability 
could be a plus in terms of asymmetry. 
 
It would be interesting to see if plumbane, which is a gas at ambient 
temperature (surprisingly) could be reacted or densified in such a way that one 
or more of the four protons drop to the 54.4 eV redundancy state. This would be 
a fabulous rocket fuel, even with the high density of led, no?
 
The further possibilities of having chemical access to relativistic electrons 
and/or as a method to densify hydrogen or turn a heavy element into a gas  are 
mind boggling. The name ‘Led Zeppelin’ comes to mind.
 

RE: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[JonesBeene]

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com

Is there data on how relativistic the paired electrons need to be to have an 
effect? 

Bob,

The paper is behind a paywall but you can use the DOI number to get it from 
Sci-Hub

Rajeev Ahuja, et al. “Relativity and the Lead-Acid Battery.” Physical Review 
Letters 106, 018301 (2011). 

DOI:10.1103/PhysRevLett.106.018301




 

Re: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[Nigel Dyer]

Interesting...

I have reproduced a version of Vysotskii's undamped thermal waves 
results which he detects using a peizo-electric detector with a high 
frequency range (which I could only get from the states). The results 
suggest that whatever is being detected is travelling far faster than 
the velocity of sound.  The detectors are made of PZT = lead zirconate 
titanate.  Could this unusual property of lead be a clue to what is 
going on with the Vysotskii measurements?


Nigel


On 17/04/2018 16:10, JonesBeene wrote:


Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as 
well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work 
at all.  Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted.


More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of 
the power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 
13 V of the electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron 
effects (as opposed to redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually 
fast 6s orbital of lead and a few other heavy metals. The relativistic 
electrons (they are paired) could relate to why lead shielding (or 
normal radioactivity) could actually increase the signal from muon 
interaction, rather than shielding against it.


https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html

Possibly - the relativistic electron effect has relevance to LENR in 
the form of trace elements found in electrodes by chance-  and there 
are a few candidate elements which have the 6S electron. But palladium 
or nickel do not.


Yet from the earliest days of P, some electrodes worked better than 
others of the same nominal composition. In their hero effort in France 
only 2 of 7 Pd electrodes worked. In commercial metallurgy – anything 
less than 1% contamination is seldom reported since it is either not 
deemed to be critical or the alloy assay techniques are not accurate 
for low percentages.


In fact, “Coolessence” the Colorado Lab now defunct, did some 
interesting work with lead and palladium. No one took notice.


The element mercury is another candidate dopant which has the 
relativistic 6s electrons. There are at least 4 metals of interest.


Mercury is found in palladium ore (temagamite 
) and could inadvertently be 
present as a trace element in Pd electrodes as a fractional percent 
but never mentioned. The reason Hg is a liquid relates to the 
relativistic orbital which is also found in the element bismuth. It is 
possible that traces of mercury, lead or bismuth could be  the 
“mystery element” – the hidden  reactant in certain palladium 
electrodes which work better than pure metal. BTW - Silver does not 
have the relativistic electrons but gold does.


The “inert pair effect” of lead, mercury, gold and bismuth refers to 
the tendency in these heavy metals for their 6s electrons in the 
valence cloud to resist oxidation - and the effect could possibly be 
put to planned use by doping with higher levels. In fact, although not 
well known, hydrogen can react with lead to form a gas called 
Plumbane, PbH4, but this is not well characterized or studied, since 
it is unstable. Lead is a Mills catalyst and so it is reasonable that 
densification activity with hydrogen would lead to a more stable form 
of the molecule along with excess energy. The chemical instability 
could be a plus in terms of asymmetry.


It would be interesting to see if plumbane, which is a gas at ambient 
temperature (surprisingly) could be reacted or densified in such a way 
that one or more of the four protons drop to the 54.4 eV redundancy 
state. This would be a fabulous rocket fuel, even with the high 
density of led, no?


The further possibilities of having chemical access to relativistic 
electrons and/or as a method to densify hydrogen or turn a heavy 
element into a gas  are mind boggling. The name ‘Led Zeppelin’ comes 
to mind.

RE: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Is there data on how relativistic the paired electrons need to be to have an 
effect?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:10:02 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals


Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as 
well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work at all.  
Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted.

More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of the 
power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 13 V of the 
electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron effects (as opposed to 
redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually fast 6s orbital of lead and a 
few other heavy metals. The relativistic electrons (they are paired) could 
relate to why lead shielding (or normal radioactivity) could actually increase 
the signal from muon interaction, rather than shielding against it.

https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html

Possibly - the relativistic electron effect has relevance to LENR in the form 
of trace elements found in electrodes by chance-  and there are a few candidate 
elements which have the 6S electron. But palladium or nickel do not.

Yet from the earliest days of P, some electrodes worked better than others of 
the same nominal composition. In their hero effort in France only 2 of 7 Pd 
electrodes worked. In commercial metallurgy – anything less than 1% 
contamination is seldom reported since it is either not deemed to be critical 
or the alloy assay techniques are not accurate for low percentages.

In fact, “Coolessence” the Colorado Lab now defunct, did some interesting work 
with lead and palladium. No one took notice.

The element mercury is another candidate dopant which has the relativistic 6s 
electrons. There are at least 4 metals of interest.

Mercury is found in palladium ore 
(temagamite) and could inadvertently 
be present as a trace element in Pd electrodes as a fractional percent but 
never mentioned. The reason Hg is a liquid relates to the relativistic orbital 
which is also found in the element bismuth. It is possible that traces of 
mercury, lead or bismuth could be  the “mystery element” – the hidden  reactant 
in certain palladium electrodes which work better than pure metal. BTW - Silver 
does not have the relativistic electrons but gold does.

The “inert pair effect” of lead, mercury, gold and bismuth refers to the 
tendency in these heavy metals for their 6s electrons in the valence cloud to 
resist oxidation - and the effect could possibly be put to planned use by 
doping with higher levels. In fact, although not well known, hydrogen can react 
with lead to form a gas called Plumbane, PbH4, but this is not well 
characterized or studied, since it is unstable. Lead is a Mills catalyst and so 
it is reasonable that densification activity with hydrogen would lead to a more 
stable form of the molecule along with excess energy. The chemical instability 
could be a plus in terms of asymmetry.

It would be interesting to see if plumbane, which is a gas at ambient 
temperature (surprisingly) could be reacted or densified in such a way that one 
or more of the four protons drop to the 54.4 eV redundancy state. This would be 
a fabulous rocket fuel, even with the high density of led, no?

The further possibilities of having chemical access to relativistic electrons 
and/or as a method to densify hydrogen or turn a heavy element into a gas  are 
mind boggling. The name ‘Led Zeppelin’ comes to mind.

[Vo]:Balls of light

[Axil Axil]

Regarding: "Pedal Condensates"

>From the an impossible invention interview with Fabiani discussing his
research with Rossi

https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/11/25/rossis-engineer-i-have-seen-things-you-people-wouldnt-believe/

"We have it all filmed, which still cannot be disclosed. We have
photographs of creatures that emit pure light that have completely melted
the reactor down, all in a very quiet way. You just turn off the stimuli
system and the reaction is switched off. It’s impressive."

Also, there are reports that balls of light float around inside the QX
reactor. These balls of light change color from red to yellow to blue based
on the strength of the pumping stimulus.

[Vo]:Global pedal condensation

[Axil Axil]

Where does the Bose condensate get the immense power to produce the large
scale transmutations seen in the LION meltdown.

The Pedal condensate can easily synchronize its base level energy state
through the exchange of photons between each condensate member.

The dipole oscillations will tend to form a global condensate of individual
condensates as each electric dipole syncs with all the other dipole
vibrations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5eBf2KwF8

The global pedal condensate will now be able to store vast amounts of
power. Each individual member of the global pedal condensate brings to the
table giga electron volts of stored energy. The global condensate can now
command N units of energy storage where N is the number of electric dipoles
that are available to the global condensate.

This global condensate can now shunt a huge amount of power to any single
member of the aggravate condensate. This process is called superradiance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superradiance

"In quantum optics, superradiance is a phenomenon that occurs when a group
of N emitters, such as excited atoms, interact with a common light field.
If the wavelength of the light is much greater than the separation of the
emitters, then the emitters interact with the light in a collective and
coherent fashion.[2] This causes the group to emit light as a high
intensity pulse (with rate ∝ N2). This is a surprising result, drastically
different from the expected exponential decay (with rate ∝ N) of a group of
independent atoms (see spontaneous emission). Superradiance has since been
demonstrated in a wide variety of physical and chemical systems, such as
quantum dot arrays [3] and J-aggregates.[4] The effect has recently been
used to produce a superradiant laser."

In the case of the LENR aggregation, the superradiant emission is magnetic
flux lines.

The opposite mechanism also comes into play. When energy is absorbed by any
individual member of the aggregation, all the members of the aggregation
share equally in that energy. The energy is evenly distributed across the
aggregation. This is called super-absorption. This mechanism is how gamma
level radiation is down-shifted to heat.

[Vo]:The Pedal Condensate

[janap128]

 The Polariton Bose condensate can store energy. How does this condensate
do this? The polariton condensate that does this power storage is called a
pedal condensate.

Coupled counter-rotating polariton condensates in optically defined annular
potentials
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/24/8770

Stable Switching among High-Order Modes in Polariton Condensates
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.03024



As power is pumped into the pedal condensate the number of petals
increases, the frequency of the light that the pedals are comprised of
increases from red to blue to XUV and then to X-ray. The diameter of the
condensate also increases from nano-meters, to millimeters and then to
centimeters. At high energy storage levels, the Pedal condensate becomes
visible to the naked eye. The pedal condensate can move around.

The pedal condensate is comprised of two counterattacking rings of
polaritons. As the energy is pumped into this condensate, the energy is
also stored as increasing annular momentum of the rotating rings.

The electric dipole that the pedal condensate is entangled with also
increases in size.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_dipole_moment



The diameter of the dipole increases into the millimeters.

The energy storage potential of a pedal condensate can get as high as a few
GeV.

In the LION reactor meltdown as well as in many other LENR experiments,
strange radiation is seen. These particle tracks are produced by the energy
rich pedal condensate as it moves around and absorbs energy using self
pumping along it path of travel.

[Vo]:The ultrafast 6s orbital of certain heavy metals

[JonesBeene]

Despite its 150 year-old history, the lead-acid battery is not as 
well-understood as one might suspect.  On paper it should hardly work at all.  
Tin – a similar metal to lead will not work when substituted. 

More recently, in experiments in 2011 it was demonstrated that most of the 
power of the lead-acid batter: 80%+  – or roughly 10 V out of the 13 V of the 
electrical potential- comes from relativistic electron effects (as opposed to 
redox chemistry) ! This is due to the unusually fast 6s orbital of lead and a 
few other heavy metals. The relativistic electrons (they are paired) could 
relate to why lead shielding (or normal radioactivity) could actually increase 
the signal from muon interaction, rather than shielding against it.

https://phys.org/news/2011-01-car-batteries-powered-relativity.html

Possibly - the relativistic electron effect has relevance to LENR in the form 
of trace elements found in electrodes by chance-  and there are a few candidate 
elements which have the 6S electron. But palladium or nickel do not. 

Yet from the earliest days of P, some electrodes worked better than others of 
the same nominal composition. In their hero effort in France only 2 of 7 Pd 
electrodes worked. In commercial metallurgy – anything less than 1% 
contamination is seldom reported since it is either not deemed to be critical 
or the alloy assay techniques are not accurate for low percentages.

In fact, “Coolessence” the Colorado Lab now defunct, did some interesting work 
with lead and palladium. No one took notice. 

The element mercury is another candidate dopant which has the relativistic 6s 
electrons. There are at least 4 metals of interest.

Mercury is found in palladium ore (temagamite) and could inadvertently be 
present as a trace element in Pd electrodes as a fractional percent but never 
mentioned. The reason Hg is a liquid relates to the relativistic orbital which 
is also found in the element bismuth. It is possible that traces of mercury, 
lead or bismuth could be  the “mystery element” – the hidden  reactant in 
certain palladium electrodes which work better than pure metal. BTW - Silver 
does not have the relativistic electrons but gold does.

The “inert pair effect” of lead, mercury, gold and bismuth refers to the 
tendency in these heavy metals for their 6s electrons in the valence cloud to 
resist oxidation - and the effect could possibly be put to planned use by 
doping with higher levels. In fact, although not well known, hydrogen can react 
with lead to form a gas called Plumbane, PbH4, but this is not well 
characterized or studied, since it is unstable. Lead is a Mills catalyst and so 
it is reasonable that densification activity with hydrogen would lead to a more 
stable form of the molecule along with excess energy. The chemical instability 
could be a plus in terms of asymmetry. 

It would be interesting to see if plumbane, which is a gas at ambient 
temperature (surprisingly) could be reacted or densified in such a way that one 
or more of the four protons drop to the 54.4 eV redundancy state. This would be 
a fabulous rocket fuel, even with the high density of led, no?

The further possibilities of having chemical access to relativistic electrons 
and/or as a method to densify hydrogen or turn a heavy element into a gas  are 
mind boggling. The name ‘Led Zeppelin’ comes to mind.

Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons

[John Berry]

I am currently working on something potentially related.

I want to keep chasing what I am chasing, but there could be overlap.  I am
passing an unidentified energy that cannot be detected until it passes
through a "window", but this works better if the detector is above, it does
not (without modification) work if the order is reversed.  Probably just
coincidental similarity.

I have a Geiger counter, and I have some HV supplies, but I don't have
anything to make a vacuum.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:48 PM, Russ  wrote:

> I am happy to hear peoples ideas with reasons behind those ideas. But to
> engage in testing others ideas often means one has to set aside ones own
> ideas. That is obviously an infinitely losing game as individuals are but
> one person and the world wide web is an infinite number of others ideas.
> Science has always been a combination of inspiration and perspiration
> though it is in the sweating in the performance that the donnas are
> separated from the primadonnas.
>
>
>
> Watch and wait or join me and make a difference.
>
>
>
> The greatest threat to the world is waiting for someone else to save it.
>
>
>
> *From:* John Berry 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:40 AM
>
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons
>
>
>
> Still, I have a reason for considering that this might possibly work
> better in the vertical plane, and not by producing an artifact,
>
>
>
> So I guess you have tried it in different orientations?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Russ  wrote:
>
> We have three identical Geiger’s that I switch positions to constantly
> challenge (and eliminate) any anomalous behaviour and to reveal glitches as
> well as to provide coincident background counts that are used to refine the
> precision of the background vs. hot counts. The high count rates can be
> intentionally produced and reduced with prescribed changes in the
> experiment. So far so good. Of course this must be repeated with ever more
> precision and care, an effort in process at this moment.
>
>
>
> *From:* John Berry 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2018 11:38 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons
>
>
>
> Is there any difference when the tube, shielding and Geiger counter are
> vertically disposed as in the image, or horizontally?
>
>
>
> How can you be sure it isn't some capacitive coupling effect?
>
> Could you ground the shields?
>
> Could you apply voltage spikes to the plates without them being exposed to
> the spark gap directly, see if that triggers the Geiger?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Russ  wrote:
>
> Nonsense there is no such lead shielding on the experiment as suggested.
>
>
>
> As well I have been interchanging 3 independent Geiger counters to
> eliminate any one being seen as being influenced by stray electrical
> fields. Only the Geiger that is nearest to the experimental source shows
> the anomalous count at multiples of the background.
>
>
>
> Much more work needs to be done to eliminate any and all possible errors
> in this but at least the anomalous emissions are predictably able to be
> induced in a repeatable fashion. In my opinion these emissions might well
> be either gammas or something unusual. The Geigers have been challenged
> with known beta sources and are quite unable to count betas.
>
>
>
> They are  not behaving like my previous discovery of Mischugenons, I have
> recently renamed these ‘Tellerons’ in honour of my colleague Edward Teller
> who helped me with that discovery and indeed had speculated on their
> existence decades before my discovery experiments.
>
>
>
> There are clear paths to improve and enhance this Androcles protocol that
> will bring it in line with the work and teachings of Mills, Rossi, and
> Piantelli.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:00 PM
> *To:* vortex-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons
>
>
>
> In Alan's experiment, the  Geiger counter's activity is the function of
> the thickness of the lead shielding. No shielding creates no  Geiger
> counter activity.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
> Geiger counters are notoriously prone to high voltage noise interference.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Axil Axil 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 15, 2018 2:15 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Meshugganons
>
>
>
> ·
> New
>
> ·
>
> · #54
> [image:
> Image removed by sender. 4766-the-test-png]
>
>
>
> Regarding Alan glow tube test...
>
>
> THUNDER ENERGIES,   a company that uses
> DR. RUGGERO SANTILLI'S TECH to detect nuclear weapons in sealed containers
> uses a 

RE: [Vo]:Meshugganons

[Russ]

I am happy to hear peoples ideas with reasons behind those ideas. But to engage 
in testing others ideas often means one has to set aside ones own ideas. That 
is obviously an infinitely losing game as individuals are but one person and 
the world wide web is an infinite number of others ideas. Science has always 
been a combination of inspiration and perspiration though it is in the sweating 
in the performance that the donnas are separated from the primadonnas.   

 

Watch and wait or join me and make a difference. 

 

The greatest threat to the world is waiting for someone else to save it. 

 

From: John Berry  
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons

 

Still, I have a reason for considering that this might possibly work better in 
the vertical plane, and not by producing an artifact,

 

So I guess you have tried it in different orientations?

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Russ  > wrote:

We have three identical Geiger’s that I switch positions to constantly 
challenge (and eliminate) any anomalous behaviour and to reveal glitches as 
well as to provide coincident background counts that are used to refine the 
precision of the background vs. hot counts. The high count rates can be 
intentionally produced and reduced with prescribed changes in the experiment. 
So far so good. Of course this must be repeated with ever more precision and 
care, an effort in process at this moment.  

 

From: John Berry  > 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 11:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons

 

Is there any difference when the tube, shielding and Geiger counter are 
vertically disposed as in the image, or horizontally?

 

How can you be sure it isn't some capacitive coupling effect? 

Could you ground the shields?

Could you apply voltage spikes to the plates without them being exposed to the 
spark gap directly, see if that triggers the Geiger?

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Russ  > wrote:

Nonsense there is no such lead shielding on the experiment as suggested.

 

As well I have been interchanging 3 independent Geiger counters to eliminate 
any one being seen as being influenced by stray electrical fields. Only the 
Geiger that is nearest to the experimental source shows the anomalous count at 
multiples of the background. 

 

Much more work needs to be done to eliminate any and all possible errors in 
this but at least the anomalous emissions are predictably able to be induced in 
a repeatable fashion. In my opinion these emissions might well be either gammas 
or something unusual. The Geigers have been challenged with known beta sources 
and are quite unable to count betas. 

 

They are  not behaving like my previous discovery of Mischugenons, I have 
recently renamed these ‘Tellerons’ in honour of my colleague Edward Teller who 
helped me with that discovery and indeed had speculated on their existence 
decades before my discovery experiments. 

 

There are clear paths to improve and enhance this Androcles protocol that will 
bring it in line with the work and teachings of Mills, Rossi, and Piantelli. 

 

 

 

From: Axil Axil  > 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:00 PM
To: vortex-l  >
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons

 

In Alan's experiment, the  Geiger counter's activity is the function of the 
thickness of the lead shielding. No shielding creates no  Geiger counter 
activity.

 

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Brian Ahern  > wrote:

Geiger counters are notoriously prone to high voltage noise interference.

 


  _  


From: Axil Axil  >
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 2:15 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Meshugganons 

 

* 
New

*  

*  

 #54

 

Regarding Alan glow tube test...

 


  THUNDER ENERGIES,  a company that uses DR. 
RUGGERO SANTILLI'S TECH to detect nuclear weapons in sealed containers uses a 
variant of Alan Smith's experiment.


 

 

 http://www.thunder-energies.co…11-articles/19-article-10

 

Quote

The hadronic reactors for the industrial synthesis of thermal neutrons from a 
hydrogen gas essentially include (TEC international patent pending):

1. A metal vessel filled up with a hydrogen gas at a pressure depending on the 
desired neutron CPS;

2. Electronic means for the remote control of the gap between a pair of 
tungsten electrodes 

Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons

[John Berry]

Still, I have a reason for considering that this might possibly work better
in the vertical plane, and not by producing an artifact,

So I guess you have tried it in different orientations?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Russ  wrote:

> We have three identical Geiger’s that I switch positions to constantly
> challenge (and eliminate) any anomalous behaviour and to reveal glitches as
> well as to provide coincident background counts that are used to refine the
> precision of the background vs. hot counts. The high count rates can be
> intentionally produced and reduced with prescribed changes in the
> experiment. So far so good. Of course this must be repeated with ever more
> precision and care, an effort in process at this moment.
>
>
>
> *From:* John Berry 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2018 11:38 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons
>
>
>
> Is there any difference when the tube, shielding and Geiger counter are
> vertically disposed as in the image, or horizontally?
>
>
>
> How can you be sure it isn't some capacitive coupling effect?
>
> Could you ground the shields?
>
> Could you apply voltage spikes to the plates without them being exposed to
> the spark gap directly, see if that triggers the Geiger?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Russ  wrote:
>
> Nonsense there is no such lead shielding on the experiment as suggested.
>
>
>
> As well I have been interchanging 3 independent Geiger counters to
> eliminate any one being seen as being influenced by stray electrical
> fields. Only the Geiger that is nearest to the experimental source shows
> the anomalous count at multiples of the background.
>
>
>
> Much more work needs to be done to eliminate any and all possible errors
> in this but at least the anomalous emissions are predictably able to be
> induced in a repeatable fashion. In my opinion these emissions might well
> be either gammas or something unusual. The Geigers have been challenged
> with known beta sources and are quite unable to count betas.
>
>
>
> They are  not behaving like my previous discovery of Mischugenons, I have
> recently renamed these ‘Tellerons’ in honour of my colleague Edward Teller
> who helped me with that discovery and indeed had speculated on their
> existence decades before my discovery experiments.
>
>
>
> There are clear paths to improve and enhance this Androcles protocol that
> will bring it in line with the work and teachings of Mills, Rossi, and
> Piantelli.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:00 PM
> *To:* vortex-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons
>
>
>
> In Alan's experiment, the  Geiger counter's activity is the function of
> the thickness of the lead shielding. No shielding creates no  Geiger
> counter activity.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
> Geiger counters are notoriously prone to high voltage noise interference.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Axil Axil 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 15, 2018 2:15 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Meshugganons
>
>
>
> ·
> New
>
> ·
>
> · #54
> [image:
> 4766-the-test-png]
>
>
>
> Regarding Alan glow tube test...
>
>
> THUNDER ENERGIES,   a company that uses
> DR. RUGGERO SANTILLI'S TECH to detect nuclear weapons in sealed containers
> uses a variant of Alan Smith's experiment.
>
>
>
> http://www.thunder-energies.co…11-articles/19-article-10
> 
>
>
>
> Quote
>
> *The hadronic reactors for the industrial synthesis of thermal neutrons
> from a hydrogen gas essentially include (TEC international patent pending):*
>
> *1. A metal vessel filled up with a hydrogen gas at a pressure depending
> on the desired neutron CPS;*
>
> *2. Electronic means for the remote control of the gap between a pair of
> tungsten electrodes located inside said metal vessel; and*
>
>
>
> *3. A specially designed power unit delivering high voltage and high
> current rapid DC discharges in between said electrodes.*
>
> *As shown in Figure 5, the DC arc ionizes the hydrogen atoms, thus
> creating a plasma of protons and electrons; the DC arc then aligns the
> proton and the electron along a magnetic field line with the appropriate
> spin and other couplings; an engineering means called triggers compress the
> electron inside the proton, by supplying the missing energy (which is about
> one million electron Volts, 1 MeV).*
>
> *Display More*
>
>
>
> Sometimes a theorist can save an experimenter a lot of work by avoiding
> duplicating existing technology.
>
>
>
>
>
> Santilli thinks that neutrons can be formed out of a union of protons and

RE: [Vo]:Meshugganons

[Russ]

We have three identical Geiger’s that I switch positions to constantly 
challenge (and eliminate) any anomalous behaviour and to reveal glitches as 
well as to provide coincident background counts that are used to refine the 
precision of the background vs. hot counts. The high count rates can be 
intentionally produced and reduced with prescribed changes in the experiment. 
So far so good. Of course this must be repeated with ever more precision and 
care, an effort in process at this moment.  

 

From: John Berry  
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 11:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons

 

Is there any difference when the tube, shielding and Geiger counter are 
vertically disposed as in the image, or horizontally?

 

How can you be sure it isn't some capacitive coupling effect? 

Could you ground the shields?

Could you apply voltage spikes to the plates without them being exposed to the 
spark gap directly, see if that triggers the Geiger?

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Russ  > wrote:

Nonsense there is no such lead shielding on the experiment as suggested.

 

As well I have been interchanging 3 independent Geiger counters to eliminate 
any one being seen as being influenced by stray electrical fields. Only the 
Geiger that is nearest to the experimental source shows the anomalous count at 
multiples of the background. 

 

Much more work needs to be done to eliminate any and all possible errors in 
this but at least the anomalous emissions are predictably able to be induced in 
a repeatable fashion. In my opinion these emissions might well be either gammas 
or something unusual. The Geigers have been challenged with known beta sources 
and are quite unable to count betas. 

 

They are  not behaving like my previous discovery of Mischugenons, I have 
recently renamed these ‘Tellerons’ in honour of my colleague Edward Teller who 
helped me with that discovery and indeed had speculated on their existence 
decades before my discovery experiments. 

 

There are clear paths to improve and enhance this Androcles protocol that will 
bring it in line with the work and teachings of Mills, Rossi, and Piantelli. 

 

 

 

From: Axil Axil  > 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:00 PM
To: vortex-l  >
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons

 

In Alan's experiment, the  Geiger counter's activity is the function of the 
thickness of the lead shielding. No shielding creates no  Geiger counter 
activity.

 

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Brian Ahern  > wrote:

Geiger counters are notoriously prone to high voltage noise interference.

 


  _  


From: Axil Axil  >
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 2:15 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Meshugganons 

 

* 
New

*  

*  

 #54  

 

 

Regarding Alan glow tube test...

 


  THUNDER ENERGIES,  a company that uses DR. 
RUGGERO SANTILLI'S TECH to detect nuclear weapons in sealed containers uses a 
variant of Alan Smith's experiment.


 

 

 http://www.thunder-energies.co…11-articles/19-article-10

 

Quote

The hadronic reactors for the industrial synthesis of thermal neutrons from a 
hydrogen gas essentially include (TEC international patent pending):

1. A metal vessel filled up with a hydrogen gas at a pressure depending on the 
desired neutron CPS;

2. Electronic means for the remote control of the gap between a pair of 
tungsten electrodes located inside said metal vessel; and

 

3. A specially designed power unit delivering high voltage and high current 
rapid DC discharges in between said electrodes.

As shown in Figure 5, the DC arc ionizes the hydrogen atoms, thus creating a 
plasma of protons and electrons; the DC arc then aligns the proton and the 
electron along a magnetic field line with the appropriate spin and other 
couplings; an engineering means called triggers compress the electron inside 
the proton, by supplying the missing energy (which is about one million 
electron Volts, 1 MeV).

Display More

 

Sometimes a theorist can save an experimenter a lot of work by avoiding 
duplicating existing technology.

 

 

Santilli thinks that neutrons can be formed out of a union of protons and 
neutrons. This is nonsense. What Santilli is producing are muons. the same 
particle that Alan is generating. The US government is