Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axilwrote: > Time symmetry requires that the laws of nature operate the same when time > goes either forward or backwards. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_translation_symmetry > This typical thinking assumes much. Like 'doing the math' actually reflects the Reality. That is why we (for instance) have to put up with nonsense like 0-dimensional 'singularities' and the like...
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
What the Rossi experiments has shown over many years is that LENR in a lattice is not workable because the reaction cannot be controlled. The LENR reaction wants to operate at the boiling point of the metal lattice (nickel) which is 3000K. Rossi has struggled to control the LENR reaction at low temperatures but he always fails because LENR would invariably get to 3000K and meltdown his reactor. So Rossi finally decided to use reactor structural material that doesn't melt at 3000K. This material must be an insulator that does not melt at 3000K. Mills has stumbled on the same reaction and his SunCell runs at the vapor point of silver (2200C). Mills has solved the meltdown problem is another way, he justs runs everything as a liquid without any containment. Using a lattice for LENR is a losing proposition. The plasma approach to the LENR reaction is the only way to go. I beleive that this tube material is boron nitride, a transparent isolator whose melting point is 3000C. On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axilwrote: > Time symmetry requires that the laws of nature operate the same when time > goes either forward or backwards. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_translation_symmetry > > To the best of my knowledge, most physicists don't believe that antimatter > is *actually* matter moving backwards in time. It's not even entirely > clear what would it really mean to move backwards in time, from the popular > viewpoint. > > If I'm remembering correctly, this idea all comes from a story that > probably originated with Richard Feynman. At the time, one of the big > puzzles of physics was why all instances of a particular elementary > particle (all electrons, for example) are apparently identical. Feynman had > a very hand-wavy idea that all electrons could in fact be the same > electron, just bouncing back and forth between the beginning of time and > the end. As far as I know, that idea never developed into anything > mathematically grounded, but it did inspire Feynman and others to calculate > what the properties of an electron moving backwards in time would be, in a > certain precise sense that emerges from quantum field theory. What they > came up with was a particle that matched the known properties of the > positron. > > Just to give you a rough idea of what it means for a particle to "move > backwards in time" in the technical sense: in quantum field theory, > particles carry with them amounts of various conserved quantities as they > move. These quantities may include energy, momentum, electric charge, > "flavor," and others. As the particles move, these conserved quantities > produce "currents," which have a direction based on the motion and sign of > the conserved quantity. If you apply the time reversal operator (which is a > purely mathematical concept, not something that actually reverses time), > you reverse the direction of the current flow, which is equivalent to > reversing the sign of the conserved quantity, thus (roughly speaking) > turning the particle into its antiparticle. > > For example, consider electric current: it arises from the movement of > electric charge, and the direction of the current is a product of the > direction of motion of the charge and the sign of the charge. > > Positive charge moving left is equivalent to negative charge moving right. If > you have a current of electrons moving to the right, and you apply the time > reversal operator, it converts the rightward velocity to leftward velocity. > But you would get the exact same result by instead converting the electrons > into positrons and letting them continue to move to the right; either > way, you wind up with the net positive charge flow moving to the right. > > By the way, optional reading if you're interested: there is a very basic > (though hard to prove) theorem in quantum field theory, the TCP theorem, > that says that if you apply the three operations of time reversal, charge > conjugation (switch particles and antiparticles), and parity inversion > (mirroring space), the result should be exactly equivalent to what you > started with. We know from experimental data that, under certain exotic > circumstances, the combination of charge conjugation and parity inversion > does *not* leave all physical processes unchanged, which means that the > same must be true of time reversal: *physics is* not *time-reversal > invariant*. Of course, since we can't *actually* reverse time, we can't > test in exactly what manner this is true. > > The SPP can be compared to the electron in terms of time symmetry breaking > into a positron. The SPP is not LENR active until it has been converted to > its antiparticle by a time reversal operator. That operator is the KERR > effect that changes the rotation of photons inside the whispering gallery > wave. The purpose of the LENR stimulus is to change the nature of the SPP > into its LENR active form. > > > [image: 20170119174546739132.jpg] > > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
Time symmetry requires that the laws of nature operate the same when time goes either forward or backwards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_translation_symmetry To the best of my knowledge, most physicists don't believe that antimatter is *actually* matter moving backwards in time. It's not even entirely clear what would it really mean to move backwards in time, from the popular viewpoint. If I'm remembering correctly, this idea all comes from a story that probably originated with Richard Feynman. At the time, one of the big puzzles of physics was why all instances of a particular elementary particle (all electrons, for example) are apparently identical. Feynman had a very hand-wavy idea that all electrons could in fact be the same electron, just bouncing back and forth between the beginning of time and the end. As far as I know, that idea never developed into anything mathematically grounded, but it did inspire Feynman and others to calculate what the properties of an electron moving backwards in time would be, in a certain precise sense that emerges from quantum field theory. What they came up with was a particle that matched the known properties of the positron. Just to give you a rough idea of what it means for a particle to "move backwards in time" in the technical sense: in quantum field theory, particles carry with them amounts of various conserved quantities as they move. These quantities may include energy, momentum, electric charge, "flavor," and others. As the particles move, these conserved quantities produce "currents," which have a direction based on the motion and sign of the conserved quantity. If you apply the time reversal operator (which is a purely mathematical concept, not something that actually reverses time), you reverse the direction of the current flow, which is equivalent to reversing the sign of the conserved quantity, thus (roughly speaking) turning the particle into its antiparticle. For example, consider electric current: it arises from the movement of electric charge, and the direction of the current is a product of the direction of motion of the charge and the sign of the charge. Positive charge moving left is equivalent to negative charge moving right. If you have a current of electrons moving to the right, and you apply the time reversal operator, it converts the rightward velocity to leftward velocity. But you would get the exact same result by instead converting the electrons into positrons and letting them continue to move to the right; either way, you wind up with the net positive charge flow moving to the right. By the way, optional reading if you're interested: there is a very basic (though hard to prove) theorem in quantum field theory, the TCP theorem, that says that if you apply the three operations of time reversal, charge conjugation (switch particles and antiparticles), and parity inversion (mirroring space), the result should be exactly equivalent to what you started with. We know from experimental data that, under certain exotic circumstances, the combination of charge conjugation and parity inversion does *not* leave all physical processes unchanged, which means that the same must be true of time reversal: *physics is* not *time-reversal invariant*. Of course, since we can't *actually* reverse time, we can't test in exactly what manner this is true. The SPP can be compared to the electron in terms of time symmetry breaking into a positron. The SPP is not LENR active until it has been converted to its antiparticle by a time reversal operator. That operator is the KERR effect that changes the rotation of photons inside the whispering gallery wave. The purpose of the LENR stimulus is to change the nature of the SPP into its LENR active form. [image: 20170119174546739132.jpg] On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:54 AM, Chewrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > > IMHO, the person who has done the best work is Keith A. Fredericks at >> http://restframe.com/ >> >> >> Keith does not know what he is seeing has comes about, but he does >> understand how the metalized hydride behaves. >> >> Keith thinks that the energy loaded metalized hydride crystal is a >> tachyon. >> > > > How can time -- motion, that is -- have a 'negative' aspect..? > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
Whenever muons appear, fusion of light elements will occur and fission of heavy elements will happen. So fusion could be a secondary reaction set up by the primary reaction which is the creation of muons. Muons can be produced in two ways, one... they could be a product on nucleon decay, and two... muons could be produced from hadronization... the creation of muons from energy. Holmlid mentions a condition where he has stored metallic hydrogen in a darken lab and there was little or no muons produced by this stuff, but when he turned the fluorescent lab overhead room lights on, Holmlid saw a rapid rise in muon production and a gradual but steady decrease in muon production over time after the lights were turned off. Those muons might be coming from hadronization. Reference: Muon detection studied by pulse-height energy analysis: Novel converter arrangements Two different sources for producing H(0) have been used for this study. They are similar to a source described in a previous publication.28 Potassium-doped iron oxide catalyst samples (cylindric pellets)32,33 in the sources produce the ultradense H(0) from hydrogen or deuterium gas flow at pressures of 10−5–100 mbars. The sources give a slowly decaying muon signal for several hours and days after being used for producing H(0). They can be triggered to increase the muon production by laser irradiation inside the chambers or sometimes even by turning on the fluorescent lamps in the laboratory for a short time. On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:42 AM, Nigel Dyerwrote: > I am not sure why there being no advantage for deuterium means that this > was not cold fusion. If there was a fusion process in these situations > that started with protons then would this also not be cold fusion? Given > that we are in a territory that is far removed from the standard plasma > conditions where the orthodox rules for fusion were forged, I think we > cannot rule out the possibility that there could be proton based fusion > options. > > Nigel > > > On 03/07/2017 02:03, Jones Beene wrote: > >> these emissions were seen using either hydrogen or deuterium or both and >> there was no advantage for deuterium, so this was NOT cold fusion >> > >
RE: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
Just as a clarification of semantics being used in this thread: It is useful to use the term gamma to describe EM radiation that originates from a change in the energy state of a nuclear entity or reaction between two or more nuclear entities. Thus, an excited nuclear entity may decay from an elevated kinetic energy state—an isomeric state—to a lower energy state giving a gamma of relatively low energy. It is called a gamma because it resulted from a nuclear transition. All other EM radiation is not properly called gamma radiation IMHO. Various types of non-gamma radiation may be very high energy photons exceeding most gamma radiation. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR The Fredericks work is with photographic emulsion, which is a light-sensitive chemical reaction used in photography. That kind of film is much easier to expose and consequently it has limited usefulness for LENR. Even body heat from the experimenter's handling can produce fogging. X-ray film is much more difficult to expose and consequently, when fogging occurs, it means that something more energetic (enough to produce x-rays) is taking place. However, in both cases silver is a main ingredient of the film. Thus if one wishes to get away from film altogether, and try to verify that a novel type of radiation is being produced, then it may help to retain silver, and this is what Alan is doing. Silver may have special properties, such as for converting dense hydrogen back to normal hydrogen. Alan's first test run is underway and details can be seen in the Google Live Doc at https://goo.gl/rTDz87 Imagine (as an arguable mechanism) that nickel contact converts a tiny amount of hydrogen into a dense form (UDH)... and then silver contact converts it back to full density. If this process is not symmetrical in terms of energy, then soft x-rays could be the end result. As to where that x-ray energy comes from - that can be determined later but if it were to be actual fusion, we would expect gammas. The Arata work and Ahern's replication is similar - and in all cases, the lack of electrolysis current only means that the radiation effect does not depend on electrochemistry - only on mechanical contact. As for Nigel's point about actual fusion as the underlying mechanism - yes, nothing including fusion should be ruled out at this stage - but finding an alternative mechanism makes this more palatable for the mainstream and we do not need another "miracle" to explain the lack of gammas. Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Why does it matter that this was NOT electrolysis? > > Didn't Arrata load up his cells with pycnodeuterium and no power input? > > Che wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > IMHO, the person who has done the best work is Keith A. Fredericks at http://restframe.com/ > > > Keith does not know what he is seeing has comes about, but he does understand how the metalized hydride behaves. > > Keith thinks that the energy loaded metalized hydride crystal is a tachyon. > How can time -- motion, that is -- have a 'negative' aspect..?
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
The Fredericks work is with photographic emulsion, which is a light-sensitive chemical reaction used in photography. That kind of film is much easier to expose and consequently it has limited usefulness for LENR. Even body heat from the experimenter's handling can produce fogging. X-ray film is much more difficult to expose and consequently, when fogging occurs, it means that something more energetic (enough to produce x-rays) is taking place. However, in both cases silver is a main ingredient of the film. Thus if one wishes to get away from film altogether, and try to verify that a novel type of radiation is being produced, then it may help to retain silver, and this is what Alan is doing. Silver may have special properties, such as for converting dense hydrogen back to normal hydrogen. Alan's first test run is underway and details can be seen in the Google Live Doc at https://goo.gl/rTDz87 Imagine (as an arguable mechanism) that nickel contact converts a tiny amount of hydrogen into a dense form (UDH)... and then silver contact converts it back to full density. If this process is not symmetrical in terms of energy, then soft x-rays could be the end result. As to where that x-ray energy comes from - that can be determined later but if it were to be actual fusion, we would expect gammas. The Arata work and Ahern's replication is similar - and in all cases, the lack of electrolysis current only means that the radiation effect does not depend on electrochemistry - only on mechanical contact. As for Nigel's point about actual fusion as the underlying mechanism - yes, nothing including fusion should be ruled out at this stage - but finding an alternative mechanism makes this more palatable for the mainstream and we do not need another "miracle" to explain the lack of gammas. Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Why does it matter that this was NOT electrolysis? > > Didn't Arrata load up his cells with pycnodeuterium and no power input? > > Che wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > IMHO, the person who has done the best work is Keith A. Fredericks at http://restframe.com/ > > > Keith does not know what he is seeing has comes about, but he does understand how the metalized hydride behaves. > > Keith thinks that the energy loaded metalized hydride crystal is a tachyon. > How can time -- motion, that is -- have a 'negative' aspect..?
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
Why does it matter that this was NOT electrolysis? Didn't Arrata load up his cells with pycnodeuterium and no power input? On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Chewrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > > IMHO, the person who has done the best work is Keith A. Fredericks at >> http://restframe.com/ >> >> >> Keith does not know what he is seeing has comes about, but he does >> understand how the metalized hydride behaves. >> >> Keith thinks that the energy loaded metalized hydride crystal is a >> tachyon. >> > > > How can time -- motion, that is -- have a 'negative' aspect..? > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Axil Axilwrote: IMHO, the person who has done the best work is Keith A. Fredericks at > http://restframe.com/ > > > Keith does not know what he is seeing has comes about, but he does > understand how the metalized hydride behaves. > > Keith thinks that the energy loaded metalized hydride crystal is a > tachyon. > How can time -- motion, that is -- have a 'negative' aspect..?
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
I am not sure why there being no advantage for deuterium means that this was not cold fusion. If there was a fusion process in these situations that started with protons then would this also not be cold fusion? Given that we are in a territory that is far removed from the standard plasma conditions where the orthodox rules for fusion were forged, I think we cannot rule out the possibility that there could be proton based fusion options. Nigel On 03/07/2017 02:03, Jones Beene wrote: these emissions were seen using either hydrogen or deuterium or both and there was no advantage for deuterium, so this was NOT cold fusion
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more... In the proton 21 case, no hydrogen is present. So the perplexing thing for me to understand is that both nanowires and metalized hydrogen look and perform identically in these emission studies. In order to preface Keith Fredericks' video, a proviso is offered. In order to get the monopole magnetic property of the nanoparticle to express itself, a PT (parity-time symmetry breaking) state change is required. In other works, the nanoparticle does not follow time symmetry after the state change. This could be the reason why it looks like it is going backward in time. For example, the nanoparticle behaves like the positron that looks like an electron that has suffered a PT state change and therefore acts like an electron going backward in time. ICCF-18 : Keith Fredericks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRKblAn8lLI On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Axil Axilwrote: > > Holmlid has explained that metalized hydrogen is a superatom where the > positive charge carriers are located in the center of the crystal and the > negative charged carriers are located in a cloud orbiting around the > positive center. > > > > > This metalized structure is an example of HOLE superconductivity. Protons > are the holes and they are superconducting. > > > Particle tracks produced by LENR ash show a strange type of particle that > looks to me like metalized hydrogen particles charged up with and carrying > a large about of energy, > > > > The photos of this metalized crystal in X-ray photo emulsions show what is > going on. A handful of people or groups that I know of have done research > on this metalized hydride but they might have not understood what the > particle that they were seeing actually was. > > > > These groups were the guys describing the monopole, the AIRBUS guys, > Leonid Urutskoev, and the Proton 21 people. > > > IMHO, the person who has done the best work is Keith A. Fredericks at > http://restframe.com/ > > > Keith does not know what he is seeing has comes about, but he does > understand how the metalized hydride behaves. > > Keith thinks that the energy loaded metalized hydride crystal is a > tachyon. > > > This tachyon is a very energy intensive analog particle that acts like a > synthetic monopole. Keith has captured the paths of these particles as they > ionize photo emulsion chemicals. From this method, he has detected the > magnetic and energy content of these analog particles. > > > > I have continually explained how duality in physics works; metalized > hydrides behave like a tachyon. There is an entire field in string theory > that predicts what a tachyon will do. One feature of its behavior is > Hadronization where energy is converted into mesons. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadronization > > > > https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-known-about-tachy/ > > > > What Holmlid has built might be a quasiparticle of metallized hydrogen > that looks like and behaves just like a tachyon is projected to behave in > string theory. > > > Keith has calculated that the energy carried by these strange particles is > huge at 7.29 × 10e6 GeV /c2 and with a magnetic field of β0 = 1.83 × 10e7 > > On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> In the early days of cold fusion (early 1990s) there were dozens of >> papers on so-called "low energy emissions" which happened merely from >> loading or exposure of hydrogen to both nickel and palladium - and often >> with no other input power being used. >> >> This was NOT electrolysis. Many of the papers originated in India or >> Italy and few from the USA. The testing was done using x-ray film, often >> the kind used by dentists and the result is a foggy film known as an >> "autoradiograph". In fact, the radioactive properties of Uranium were first >> discovered in 1896 by Henri Becquerel using fogging of film, in a very >> similar way. >> >> Various filters can be used to estimate the energy of the emission - >> which is called "low energy" in many of the papers, but it was in the soft >> x-ray range of 500 eV to 10 keV. These photons are far from low energy >> compared to visible light and are only "low" compared to gammas. >> >> The upper end of this range is where tritium decay occurs, and based on >> that and the estimated half-life of exposed metal - some of the old papers >> conclude that tritium was being produced from light water and nickel, which >> is most unlikely given the lack of a suitable mechanism for tritium. >> >> Names of experimenters are Focardi, Piantelli, Srinivasan, >> Sankaranarayanan, Notoya, Rout and others. >> >> BTW - these emissions were seen using either hydrogen or deuterium or >> both and there was no advantage for deuterium, so this was NOT cold fusion >> per se. For instance, "Copious low energy emissions from Palladium loaded >> with hydrogen or deuterium," Indian Journal of Technology, 29, 5071, (1991) >> Rout et al. At least one paper got picked
Re: [Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
Holmlid has explained that metalized hydrogen is a superatom where the positive charge carriers are located in the center of the crystal and the negative charged carriers are located in a cloud orbiting around the positive center. This metalized structure is an example of HOLE superconductivity. Protons are the holes and they are superconducting. Particle tracks produced by LENR ash show a strange type of particle that looks to me like metalized hydrogen particles charged up with and carrying a large about of energy, The photos of this metalized crystal in X-ray photo emulsions show what is going on. A handful of people or groups that I know of have done research on this metalized hydride but they might have not understood what the particle that they were seeing actually was. These groups were the guys describing the monopole, the AIRBUS guys, Leonid Urutskoev, and the Proton 21 people. IMHO, the person who has done the best work is Keith A. Fredericks at http://restframe.com/ Keith does not know what he is seeing has comes about, but he does understand how the metalized hydride behaves. Keith thinks that the energy loaded metalized hydride crystal is a tachyon. This tachyon is a very energy intensive analog particle that acts like a synthetic monopole. Keith has captured the paths of these particles as they ionize photo emulsion chemicals. From this method, he has detected the magnetic and energy content of these analog particles. I have continually explained how duality in physics works; metalized hydrides behave like a tachyon. There is an entire field in string theory that predicts what a tachyon will do. One feature of its behavior is Hadronization where energy is converted into mesons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadronization https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-known-about-tachy/ What Holmlid has built might be a quasiparticle of metallized hydrogen that looks like and behaves just like a tachyon is projected to behave in string theory. Keith has calculated that the energy carried by these strange particles is huge at 7.29 × 10e6 GeV /c2 and with a magnetic field of β0 = 1.83 × 10e7 On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Jones Beenewrote: > In the early days of cold fusion (early 1990s) there were dozens of papers > on so-called "low energy emissions" which happened merely from loading or > exposure of hydrogen to both nickel and palladium - and often with no other > input power being used. > > This was NOT electrolysis. Many of the papers originated in India or Italy > and few from the USA. The testing was done using x-ray film, often the kind > used by dentists and the result is a foggy film known as an > "autoradiograph". In fact, the radioactive properties of Uranium were first > discovered in 1896 by Henri Becquerel using fogging of film, in a very > similar way. > > Various filters can be used to estimate the energy of the emission - which > is called "low energy" in many of the papers, but it was in the soft x-ray > range of 500 eV to 10 keV. These photons are far from low energy compared > to visible light and are only "low" compared to gammas. > > The upper end of this range is where tritium decay occurs, and based on > that and the estimated half-life of exposed metal - some of the old papers > conclude that tritium was being produced from light water and nickel, which > is most unlikely given the lack of a suitable mechanism for tritium. > > Names of experimenters are Focardi, Piantelli, Srinivasan, > Sankaranarayanan, Notoya, Rout and others. > > BTW - these emissions were seen using either hydrogen or deuterium or both > and there was no advantage for deuterium, so this was NOT cold fusion per > se. For instance, "Copious low energy emissions from Palladium loaded with > hydrogen or deuterium," Indian Journal of Technology, 29, 5071, (1991) Rout > et al. At least one paper got picked up by Fusion Technology. > > It is too bad that this niche was not pursued further to determine the > mechanism of the soft x-rays and to attempt scale-up. In retrospect, the > implications of this kind of energetic radiation happening from mere > exposure of metal to hydrogen, and with zero added power should have gotten > more people excited than it did. For those of us who are revisiting this > niche in light of what Holmlid has (more recently) reported - it is very > exciting... since Holmlid has a viable theory and identification of the > species responsible. > > In short, this niche of relatively energetic photons occurring > spontaneously, with no power applied other than pumping the H2 gas, may > represent a more commercializable result than actual fusion since the > radiation is easily shielded, and especially since it was said to be 100% > reproducible at the time. If Holmlid is correct, the ash could be the most > valuable part of the process. > > >
[Vo]:A forgotten chapter in LENR
In the early days of cold fusion (early 1990s) there were dozens of papers on so-called "low energy emissions" which happened merely from loading or exposure of hydrogen to both nickel and palladium - and often with no other input power being used. This was NOT electrolysis. Many of the papers originated in India or Italy and few from the USA. The testing was done using x-ray film, often the kind used by dentists and the result is a foggy film known as an "autoradiograph". In fact, the radioactive properties of Uranium were first discovered in 1896 by Henri Becquerel using fogging of film, in a very similar way. Various filters can be used to estimate the energy of the emission - which is called "low energy" in many of the papers, but it was in the soft x-ray range of 500 eV to 10 keV. These photons are far from low energy compared to visible light and are only "low" compared to gammas. The upper end of this range is where tritium decay occurs, and based on that and the estimated half-life of exposed metal - some of the old papers conclude that tritium was being produced from light water and nickel, which is most unlikely given the lack of a suitable mechanism for tritium. Names of experimenters are Focardi, Piantelli, Srinivasan, Sankaranarayanan, Notoya, Rout and others. BTW - these emissions were seen using either hydrogen or deuterium or both and there was no advantage for deuterium, so this was NOT cold fusion per se. For instance, "Copious low energy emissions from Palladium loaded with hydrogen or deuterium," Indian Journal of Technology, 29, 5071, (1991) Rout et al. At least one paper got picked up by Fusion Technology. It is too bad that this niche was not pursued further to determine the mechanism of the soft x-rays and to attempt scale-up. In retrospect, the implications of this kind of energetic radiation happening from mere exposure of metal to hydrogen, and with zero added power should have gotten more people excited than it did. For those of us who are revisiting this niche in light of what Holmlid has (more recently) reported - it is very exciting... since Holmlid has a viable theory and identification of the species responsible. In short, this niche of relatively energetic photons occurring spontaneously, with no power applied other than pumping the H2 gas, may represent a more commercializable result than actual fusion since the radiation is easily shielded, and especially since it was said to be 100% reproducible at the time. If Holmlid is correct, the ash could be the most valuable part of the process.