Re: [Vo]:Another article about sloppy research and academic corruption

2017-04-17 Thread Jones Beene

Good eye, Nigel.

... almost calls for an abbott and costello shtick  ;-)


Nigel Dyer wrote:
At this point I perhaps ouught to point out my own article in Nature 
Genetics.  If you have access to the full article you will find it 
says that a Nature Genetics paper a year earlier is substantially 
flawed because they had based their conclusions on what is in fact an 
artefact in the data.


http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v48/n1/full/ng.3392.html

The original authors would have spotted the artefact if they had 
looked at the raw data.  If you dont look at the data the paper 
appears fine, which is why it got through peer review.  You cant 
expect the unpaid peer reviewers to load and re process the raw data.  
I only checked it because the papers conclusions conflicted with the 
results that we were getting








Re: [Vo]:Another article about sloppy research and academic corruption

2017-04-17 Thread Nigel Dyer
At this point I perhaps ouught to point out my own article in Nature 
Genetics.  If you have access to the full article you will find it says 
that a Nature Genetics paper a year earlier is substantially flawed 
because they had based their conclusions on what is in fact an artefact 
in the data.


http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v48/n1/full/ng.3392.html

The original authors would have spotted the artefact if they had looked 
at the raw data.  If you dont look at the data the paper appears fine, 
which is why it got through peer review.  You cant expect the unpaid 
peer reviewers to load and re process the raw data.  I only checked it 
because the papers conclusions conflicted with the results that we were 
getting


Nigel


On 17/04/2017 16:04, Jed Rothwell wrote:

"The Impostor Cell Line That Set Back Breast Cancer Research

It’s but one example of a major problem in cancer science."

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/04/the_impostor_cell_line_that_set_back_breast_cancer_research.html

A reader comment:

"If people knew what researchers were really like they would be 
stunned. Their personality type is very ruthless and dishonest work 
and conclusion is the norm. I work at a famous university medical 
center and we have a few of the 'stars' here. Most of the time it's 
the postdocs who do the work and the researcher is nowhere near it. 
Their name is on the paper but that's about it. The pressure external 
and from themselves to publish and succeed is insane."


- Jed





[Vo]:Another article about sloppy research and academic corruption

2017-04-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
"The Impostor Cell Line That Set Back Breast Cancer Research

It’s but one example of a major problem in cancer science."

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/04/the_impostor_cell_line_that_set_back_breast_cancer_research.html

A reader comment:

"If people knew what researchers were really like they would be stunned.
Their personality type is very ruthless and dishonest work and conclusion
is the norm. I work at a famous university medical center and we have a few
of the 'stars' here. Most of the time it's the postdocs who do the work and
the researcher is nowhere near it. Their name is on the paper but that's
about it. The pressure external and from themselves to publish and succeed
is insane."

- Jed