[Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists
A couple of articles on my daily scan : A Crowd Funding Approach to E-Cat Testing http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/12/1499/ ... One idea that has been brought up on this site recently that might serve to break the deadlock is that interested people might purchase a 1 MW plant through a crowdfunding project, and then test the E-Cat plant themselves. Yesterday I send this message to Rossi on his JONP site: Dear Andrea, There has been some discussion on my E-Cat World Site about the possibility of creating a consortium to receive donations from people for the purchase of a 1 MW plant for the purpose of testing and evaluation. evaluation. Once the testing was complete the plant could be donated to a needy organization in need of heat perhaps a hospital, desalination project, etc. (you could choose the final recipient) Would this be something you would approve of and cooperate with? Best regards, Frank Acland Rossi responded: Dear Frank Acland: A Customer who buys a plant has the right to make all the tests he wants, obviously. Warm Regards, A.R. That's all a bit too expensive with a 1MW ... they added on $1M for shipping and testing. -== http://earthbagbuilding.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/e-cat-update-lenr-confirmed-by-mainstream-scientists/ E-Cat Update: LENR Confirmed by Mainstream ScientistsDecember 14, 2011 by Owen Geiger ... list of scientists : no surprises ... Vortex list (active discussion among scientists and engineers, although the quality of the site is currently hampered by trolls) Just one, actually? (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists
Spending a million bucks for this is crazy. The machine will be obsolete in six months. Unless you have a need for 1 MW of heat, it will be useless. If you have $1 million burning a hole in your pocket, give it to me that I will have this thing replicated in no time. People such as Miley could replicate most of it in a short time if they had ~$50,000 in funding. Or $5,000. - Jed
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Spending a million bucks for this is crazy. The machine will be obsolete in six months. Unless you have a need for 1 MW of heat, it will be useless. If you have $1 million burning a hole in your pocket, give it to me that I will have this thing replicated in no time. People such as Miley could replicate most of it in a short time if they had ~$50,000 in funding. Or $5,000. I can't believe that Miley can't get $5K or even $100K of funds a year. That's chump change for any large company. And you say he can give a convincing demo. I don't get it. Why doesn't SAIC for example, jump on it? As for testing a so-called megawatt plant, that's just nonsense. There is absolutely NOTHING that you can do with that, with respect to verifying the principle, that you can't do more easily and faster with a simple off the shelf old type E-cat (what I call a plumber's nightmare model) that Rossi showed almost a YEAR AGO.
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On 2011-12-15 19:08, Jed Rothwell wrote: If you have $1 million burning a hole in your pocket, give it to me that I will have this thing replicated in no time. People such as Miley could replicate most of it in a short time if they had ~$50,000 in funding. Or $5,000. Would he really be able to replicate sustained kW-level excess heat (of course, with watt-level input) with just $50,000 in funding or so? Serious question. Cheers, S.A.
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At 10:14 AM 12/15/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Would he really be able to replicate sustained kW-level excess heat (of course, with watt-level input) with just $50,000 in funding or so? Serious question. Without the secret Magic Unicorn dust? Probably not.
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Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe that Miley can't get $5K or even $100K of funds a year. That's chump change for any large company. Well, he and I have been beating the bushes trying to get funding. Nothing yet. If you know a company with that kind of chump change, please have them contact Miley. The thing you have to realize is, there is enormous opposition to cold fusion because of academic politics. Experiments have not been funded since 1990. A professor or someone in the DoE who requests funding or even talks about cold fusion will be harassed and probably fired. There is zero chance of success. Why sacrifice your career for nothing? Miley and his grad students are doing this for free, in their spare time. It is bootlegged. I do not think they will have any more spare time in the future. They are getting other jobs and commitments. And you say he can give a convincing demo. I don't get it. Why doesn't SAIC for example, jump on it? Feel free to suggest it to them. Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Would he really be able to replicate sustained kW-level excess heat (of course, with watt-level input) with just $50,000 in funding or so? Serious question. I do not know if they can produce that much heat. I suppose that would depend on how much material Ames N. L. can supply. Since Ames as part of the DOE the whole thing may be cut off tomorrow, when someone at headquarters finds out. I doubt anyone else can produce the material. That's the hard part. Although Miley said he is doing a lot of the post-production work himself now. I do not see what difference it makes whether you get 100 W or 5000 W. Heat is heat. As long as it can be measured with high confidence who cares how much? The key thing is that it is controllable and stable. Once you have that scaling up is a trivial matter. - Jed
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I think DKG will have a Hyperion for a demo very soon. Take a few barrels of water, a watch, thermometer and run it with power going through a 3A fuse. Heat a barrel of water in an hour, or a whole pool in a couple of days. If DKG does it right, they'll have a number of scientists and reporters on hand and will be ready to take orders or give a solid estimated time to delivery. As far as replication goes, I am leaning towards the Chan method--I think Rossi's internal heater may be a coil used to vibrate the nanoparticles at a resonate frequency. It should not be that hard to take a tube of MgH2, Cu, Ni, Fe and heat it with a coil/RFG at monitor the reaction for radiation. Maybe $5K worth of equipment. - Brad
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paying for a demo could be proposed, but since if true it will be done next year, that would just for impatient fan. about cash, don't forget the escrowed cash... but once you have the machine, the best would be to find a good usage. who knows someone needing 1MW thermal ? vegetable farmer, pool, building or collective heating maybe we should just try to find a client... or be patient... and careful about scam! a third party could abuse us, like some have abused charity or fans... it would be stupid to fall into a scam to check a potential scam... 2011/12/15 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Spending a million bucks for this is crazy. The machine will be obsolete in six months. Unless you have a need for 1 MW of heat, it will be useless. If you have $1 million burning a hole in your pocket, give it to me that I will have this thing replicated in no time. People such as Miley could replicate most of it in a short time if they had ~$50,000 in funding. Or $5,000. - Jed
