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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: it could be used to prevent potatoes to germ, but we rather use chemical to avoid atomic fear. It will probably prevent AR from germinating. :-) Actually, irradiation is used in 50 countries today and we consume over 500,000 metric tons of irradiated food annually. Irradiated food has a nice green symbol for reassurance that it is safe, the Radura symbol. T
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The use of food irradiation varies significantly from country to country. In the UK for example, it can only be used for dried aromatic herbs, spices, and vegetable seasonings. The same variation in attitude towards such things could well mean that there are very different challenges to getting E-cats approved in different countries. Nigel On 13/03/2012 11:35, Terry Blanton wrote: It will probably prevent AR from germinating. :-) Actually, irradiation is used in 50 countries today and we consume over 500,000 metric tons of irradiated food annually. Irradiated food has a nice green symbol for reassurance that it is safe, the Radura symbol. T
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Dreaaammm weaver, wait is that gary wright ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nn0L6055gs :)
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Rossi confirm the contact but present a different version http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=9#comment-197583 so either it is as he says, with some misunderstanding. or the Wright is a fake partner of rossi. I have a tendency not to believe Rossi is a total scam, just a loose businessman and loose engineer, but claimed behavior of the regulator is ... weak. maybe are the consensus believers so sure CF is false that they don't care to regulate it. 2012/3/11 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com krivits is only relayin the unsourced data that orbit around... hoak or not ? the claimed answer of Rossi is clear false, but is seems that anyway few times he pretend such false things, like no radioactivity, no nuclear reaction... while weaker assertion could be perfect (no radioactivit much higher than background, no nuclear waste after some short time)... I've always been surprised how much rossi could be loose with claims, science, numbers, units... shameful for an engineer. 2012/3/11 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com This is surrealistic even by Rossi's standards. I believe Krivit is wrong about thing. I do not think the Rossi ever claimed there is a nuclear reaction in his device. - Jed
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Claud March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 PM Dear Andrea can you please give us your version of the Florida Bureau inspection referred on some site ? Thank you and good afternoon. C.R. Andrea Rossi March 11th, 2012 at 3:35 PM Dear Claud: There is not my version , there is only one version of the Florida Bureau inspection at Leonardo Corporation, as a matter of fact it is the version derived from the actual facts: We have been very glad to receive their visit and we have explained to them all we had to. We agreed with them that we will keep them informed of all our developments and also explained to them that we do not use radioactive materials and do not produce radioactive materials. The persons we talked with are very prepared and expert, they have been right and correct, and I have been honoured to deal with them. What we said beyond this is confidential and I have nothing to add at all. I give no information at all regarding our factory, as I always said, until our production will be officially announced. I can say, and I am delighted to say this, that the Officers of the Florida State I have been contacted from are glad that we are making jobs in Florida with a company that respects the Law. Of course they will have free access to us in our Florida site, also to verify that we do not use radioactive material and we do not produce radioactive material and, also , we agreed that we will not sell in the USA the domestic E-Cats before the due certification, that will certify that no radiations are emitted from the E-Cats outside the body of the E-Cats while they are working. Warm Regards, A.R. Tim
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0.511 MeV photons are not dangerous. I use them to heat my pasta for lunch. A.R.
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From Terry: 0.511 MeV photons are not dangerous. I use them to heat my pasta for lunch. Meaning, you nuke your lunch in a microwave oven? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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-Original Message- Steven Vincent Johnson AR sez: 0.511 MeV photons are not dangerous. I use them to heat my pasta for lunch. Meaning, you nuke your lunch in a microwave oven? More like... meaning Andrea got what he paid for with his Mail Order PhD from Kensington. Let's see, the photon energy of a microwave oven (frequency = 2.45 GHz) is something like 1/10,000 of an eV ... so compared to positron annihilation at 511,000 eV, the genius Rossi is off by quite a few orders of magnitude. Can you imagine what this kind of ignorance of photon spectra implies for E-Cat ? BTW - was he having positroni for lunch?
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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - was he having positroni for lunch? :-) You know he didn't actually say that. It was my joke. T
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Rather good joke, indeed. However, I think that Rossi uses 50 keV gammarayoven for cooking pasta. It has better thermal coefficiency, because it is more likely that 50 keV gammas are absorbed by the stainless steel pasta pot. 511 keVs are just zooming through the pot without absorbtion. ―Jouni On 12 Mar 2012, at 23:29, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - was he having positroni for lunch? :-) You know he didn't actually say that. It was my joke. T
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note that gamma could be used to sterilized. it does not cause contamination, but anyway the fear of atomic restrict it's use where perfect sterilizarion without heating is important, like for some sterile liquids and bottle (eye fluid...) it could be used to prevent potatoes to germ, but we rather use chemical to avoid atomic fear. 2012/3/13 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Rather good joke, indeed. However, I think that Rossi uses 50 keV gammarayoven for cooking pasta. It has better thermal coefficiency, because it is more likely that 50 keV gammas are absorbed by the stainless steel pasta pot. 511 keVs are just zooming through the pot without absorbtion. --Jouni On 12 Mar 2012, at 23:29, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - was he having positroni for lunch? :-) You know he didn't actually say that. It was my joke. T
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From Alain: krivits is only relayin the unsourced data that orbit around... hoak or not ? I find it interesting that Krivit, who claims to be an investigative reporter on matters of Cold Fusion and nuclear reactions, would seem to play fast and loose with the news when it comes to certain personalities, like Rossi. This should be of concern to many because: http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/about/about.shtml He [Krivit] and/or New Energy Times have been quoted or cited in Nature, Science, MSNBC, Chemical Engineering News, Chemistry World, Intute, Current Science and many other media outlets. Meanwhile, when it comes to Rossi it would seem that any source is worth printing, particularly any source that insinuates (or misconstrues) the possibility that Rossi might be a fraud. What Krivit prints, Krivit subsequently hopes will end up getting quoted in reputable sources like Nature, Science, MSNBC, Chemical L Engineering News, etc... Unfortunately, when Krivit's investigations ends up getting quoted in these other sources, I suspect few of them will have taken the time to understand what seems to be motivating Krivit to say some of the things he says. I suspect few of them are aware of the fact that Krivit has shown a relentless agenda that insinuates Rossi is most likely a fraud. Meanwhile, how many of these other news sources will take the time to notice what Krivit seems to be favorably advocating in place of Rossi. How many of these news sources will take the time to notice how incredibly one-sided Krivit's news can occasionally get at times. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Looks like SA has replaced eCat with Hyperion on his top 5 list: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Top_5_Exotic_Free_Energy_Technologies T
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From Terry, Looks like SA has replaced eCat with Hyperion on his top 5 list: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Top_5_Exotic_Free_Energy_Technologies http://peswiki.com/index.php/Top_5_Exotic_Free_Energy_Technologies Interesting. Rossi's eCats now rate in 9th place in the runner up section. Of course, staying power is everything. I think Pink Floyd's LP The Dark Side of the Moon was ranked in the top 100 for several decades. It may have been the longest ranked album for staying in the top 100 in history. It's still one of my favorites. ;-) Money Well, get back I'm all right Jack Keep your hands off of my stack http://www.elyrics.net/read/p/pink-floyd-lyrics/money-lyrics.html Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Of course, staying power is everything. I think Pink Floyd's LP The Dark Side of the Moon was ranked in the top 100 for several decades. Since 1972, my freshman year of college. Four times I have been struck by: . . .ten years have got behind you , , , from the lyrics of Time. T
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Yes, I got Rossi's latest info email. He is going to build an automated factory and has found a turbine that will run on E-Cat heat. WHERE IS THE INDEPENDENT TEST? I have seen this sort of action before, Yuri had great factories in production, Russ George just purchased the latest chemical analyzer, Black Light power has every sort of hydrino possible, going way back to Morray, his device even picked up the most far away radio stations ever, Stan Myer just need to get his microchip no other microchip would do, and a conspiracy stopped the Corries cold. Lots of hoopla and no independent tests. Same story different day. Frank
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Rossi is a bigger threat to himself... I am still puzzled how Defkalion takes what Rossi has, which everyone seems convinced is nothing and now claim to have something, unless... On Sunday, March 11, 2012, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Of course, staying power is everything. I think Pink Floyd's LP The Dark Side of the Moon was ranked in the top 100 for several decades. Since 1972, my freshman year of college. Four times I have been struck by: . . .ten years have got behind you , , , from the lyrics of Time. T
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On ecatnews.com, someone reported AR but FL found no threat. T
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Krivit also posted here: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/10/florida-bureau-rossi-has-no-factory-no-nuclear-reactions/ Rossi did not deny having a factory before. He is still building a robotized production line. 2012/3/10 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On ecatnews.com, someone reported AR but FL found no threat. T -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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The original source seems to be Investigation of Andrea Rossi and his e-Cat by the Florida Bureau of Radiation Control http://ecatdoteudotcom.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/investigation-of-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat-by-the-florida-bureau-of-radiation-control/ Scans of various documents.
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This is surrealistic even by Rossi's standards. I believe Krivit is wrong about thing. I do not think the Rossi ever claimed there is a nuclear reaction in his device. - Jed
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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think the Rossi ever claimed there is a nuclear reaction in his device. Are you serious? You must be restricted the meaning of claim to Rossi commercial aspirations. Harry
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krivits is only relayin the unsourced data that orbit around... hoak or not ? the claimed answer of Rossi is clear false, but is seems that anyway few times he pretend such false things, like no radioactivity, no nuclear reaction... while weaker assertion could be perfect (no radioactivit much higher than background, no nuclear waste after some short time)... I've always been surprised how much rossi could be loose with claims, science, numbers, units... shameful for an engineer. 2012/3/11 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com This is surrealistic even by Rossi's standards. I believe Krivit is wrong about thing. I do not think the Rossi ever claimed there is a nuclear reaction in his device. - Jed
