Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

Well that sucks.  I can totally imagine the ending, tho -- the one thing 
Abd was really, really poor at was shutting up.


In any case, if a troll (Christian or not, sounds like that's what it 
was) provoked someone so badly that both the troll and the target were 
banned, that /certainly/ doesn't justify keeping /another/ troll on the 
rolls so they can try the same trick, this time in the political arena.


Anyhow that's my feeling about it, but I've gotten a lot less patient 
with such stuff over the years.


In any case this sub-discussion is totally unrelated to energy, free, 
possible, plausible, or otherwise, and so I will say nothing more about it.



On 06/25/2016 03:49 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

It's about keeping standards... not justifying 2 wrongs.

Abd was banned, I think, 3 years ago, when a Christian creationist was 
attacking Abd for being Muslim and Abd was defending his religion 
relentlessly, but providing historical facts and explaining things in 
context. The attack lasted for 2 or 3 weeks with a few hundreds of 
messages from both sides. In the end, both were banned. The attacker 
came back eventually, I don't remember what happened to him after, though.



2016-06-25 15:47 GMT-03:00 Stephen A. Lawrence >:



And  */Abd was banned??/*  When was that?  And why?

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Daniel Rocha]

It's about keeping standards... not justifying 2 wrongs.

Abd was banned, I think, 3 years ago, when a Christian creationist was
attacking Abd for being Muslim and Abd was defending his religion
relentlessly, but providing historical facts and explaining things in
context. The attack lasted for 2 or 3 weeks with a few hundreds of messages
from both sides. In the end, both were banned. The attacker came back
eventually, I don't remember what happened to him after, though.


2016-06-25 15:47 GMT-03:00 Stephen A. Lawrence :

>
> And  *Abd was banned??*  When was that?  And why?
>

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

I dunno -- I looked back a ways and didn't see anything interesting from 
Che, and saw a bunch of trolling garbage.


And  */Abd was banned??/*  When was that?  And why? He was the most 
long winded poster I've encountered in a long time, and a bit 
tendentious, but his posts were generally on topic, carefully reasoned 
out, and, as far as I can recall, always respectful.


(And why would /unbanning/ Abd provide grounds to /ban/ Che?)

On 06/25/2016 02:29 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
I think he posted useful comments before and there was a trouble maker 
here before, way worse than this, bad mouthing Abd due his religion. 
So, unless _Abd is unbanned_, I cannot see fair grounds to ban Che.


2016-06-25 15:23 GMT-03:00 Stephen A. Lawrence >:


Hallo, Bill!  Sorry to bother you about this

"Che" is a pseudonym with no information about the actual person
behind it.  That's not forbidden but it's not exactly smiled on
either.

"Che" mostly posts troll stuff and ad hominems.  No surprise,
given the choice of pseudonym, which is political rather than
scientific.

"Che" doesn't post physics, nor intelligent energy technology
commentary in general.  Again, no surprise, given the pseudonym.

*"Che" should be kicked out of the group IMHO.*

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Daniel Rocha]

I think he posted useful comments before and there was a trouble maker here
before, way worse than this, bad mouthing Abd due his religion. So, unless
Abd is unbanned, I cannot see fair grounds to ban Che.

2016-06-25 15:23 GMT-03:00 Stephen A. Lawrence :

> Hallo, Bill!  Sorry to bother you about this
>
> "Che" is a pseudonym with no information about the actual person behind
> it.  That's not forbidden but it's not exactly smiled on either.
>
> "Che" mostly posts troll stuff and ad hominems.  No surprise, given the
> choice of pseudonym, which is political rather than scientific.
>
> "Che" doesn't post physics, nor intelligent energy technology commentary
> in general.  Again, no surprise, given the pseudonym.
>
> *"Che" should be kicked out of the group IMHO.*
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

Hallo, Bill!  Sorry to bother you about this

"Che" is a pseudonym with no information about the actual person behind 
it.  That's not forbidden but it's not exactly smiled on either.


"Che" mostly posts troll stuff and ad hominems.  No surprise, given the 
choice of pseudonym, which is political rather than scientific.


"Che" doesn't post physics, nor intelligent energy technology commentary 
in general.  Again, no surprise, given the pseudonym.


*"Che" should be kicked out of the group IMHO.*


On 06/25/2016 09:41 AM, *Che wrote:*

*WTF do you know about anything, eh? Typical knee-jerk crap*...

RE: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Ok, so who let the troll in… 

 

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Lennart Thornros
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

 

WTF do you know about anything, eh? Typical knee-jerk crap from people who in 
fact believe some corporation are going to shower their little LENR projects 
with oodles of cash at some point, and make them filthy rich.. So of course 
they support this bastard social-economic order, however bad it is for everyone 
else.

 

C'mon admit it. That's the true end-goal, for many of you here. Worked for 
Rossi and the others, huh?

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote:

Che
How did you become a pro?
Reading a book?
That goes a long way, but in the end it is like in science the experience of 
physical experiment is what counts.
Then you will find there are many opinions and in my book they are all ok. 
Seldom are we 100% right.

On Jun 24, 2016 21:30, "Che" <comandantegri...@gmail.com> wrote:

OT for vortex-l, but a short reply (since an off-hand slagging of 'communism' 
was prominent in a LENR article):

 

No good marxist need learn any lessons from poor old East Europeans about 
'communism'. We know from long, personal experience with you all, that 99% of 
you are clueless about it. All you people really have is your lived experience 
of 'Actually-Existing Socialism' -- i.e. stalinism -- and the willingness of 
westerners to use you for the propaganda value in having hated it (just to 
throw you away, after, when your services are no longer required...)

 

All of which is pretty useless for the most part, for the World working-class. 
And completely and utterly wrong, need I add.

 

So like I said: stick to LENR science. You're no good at the politics thing. 
Leave it to us pros.

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Che,

 

what do you want to know about Communism?

my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.

Feel free to ask anything

Peter

 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Che <comandantegri...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably 
anything else political, for that matter.

 

Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no personal 
experience.

 

- Jed

 





 

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

 

 

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Peter Gluck]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Lennart Thornros 
wrote:

> Che
> How did you become a pro?
> Reading a book?
> That goes a long way, but in the end it is like in science the experience
> of physical experiment is what counts.
> Then you will find there are many opinions and in my book they are all ok.
> Seldom are we 100% right.
> On Jun 24, 2016 21:30, "Che"  wrote:
>
>> OT for vortex-l, but a short reply (since an off-hand slagging of
>> 'communism' was prominent in a LENR article):
>>
>> No good marxist need learn any lessons from poor old East Europeans about
>> 'communism'. We know from long, personal experience with you all, that 99%
>> of you are clueless about it. All you people really have is your lived
>> experience of 'Actually-Existing Socialism' -- i.e. stalinism -- and the
>> willingness of westerners to use you for the propaganda value in having
>> hated it (just to throw you away, after, when your services are no longer
>> required...)
>>
>> All of which is pretty useless for the most part, for the World
>> working-class. And completely and utterly wrong, need I add.
>>
>> So like I said: stick to LENR science. You're no good at the politics
>> thing. Leave it to us pros.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Peter Gluck 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Che,
>>>
>>> what do you want to know about Communism?
>>> my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.
>>> Feel free to ask anything
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Che  wrote:



> Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or
> probably anything else political, for that matter.
>

 Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no
 personal experience.

 - Jed


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>>> Cluj, Romania
>>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Che]

WTF do you know about anything, eh? Typical knee-jerk crap from people who
in fact believe some corporation are going to shower their little LENR
projects with oodles of cash at some point, and make them filthy rich.. So
of course they support this bastard social-economic order, however bad it
is for everyone else.

C'mon admit it. That's the true end-goal, for many of you here. Worked for
Rossi and the others, huh?




On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Lennart Thornros 
wrote:

> Che
> How did you become a pro?
> Reading a book?
> That goes a long way, but in the end it is like in science the experience
> of physical experiment is what counts.
> Then you will find there are many opinions and in my book they are all ok.
> Seldom are we 100% right.
> On Jun 24, 2016 21:30, "Che"  wrote:
>
>> OT for vortex-l, but a short reply (since an off-hand slagging of
>> 'communism' was prominent in a LENR article):
>>
>> No good marxist need learn any lessons from poor old East Europeans about
>> 'communism'. We know from long, personal experience with you all, that 99%
>> of you are clueless about it. All you people really have is your lived
>> experience of 'Actually-Existing Socialism' -- i.e. stalinism -- and the
>> willingness of westerners to use you for the propaganda value in having
>> hated it (just to throw you away, after, when your services are no longer
>> required...)
>>
>> All of which is pretty useless for the most part, for the World
>> working-class. And completely and utterly wrong, need I add.
>>
>> So like I said: stick to LENR science. You're no good at the politics
>> thing. Leave it to us pros.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Peter Gluck 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Che,
>>>
>>> what do you want to know about Communism?
>>> my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.
>>> Feel free to ask anything
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Che  wrote:



> Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or
> probably anything else political, for that matter.
>

 Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no
 personal experience.

 - Jed


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>>> Cluj, Romania
>>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Lennart Thornros]

Che
How did you become a pro?
Reading a book?
That goes a long way, but in the end it is like in science the experience
of physical experiment is what counts.
Then you will find there are many opinions and in my book they are all ok.
Seldom are we 100% right.
On Jun 24, 2016 21:30, "Che"  wrote:

> OT for vortex-l, but a short reply (since an off-hand slagging of
> 'communism' was prominent in a LENR article):
>
> No good marxist need learn any lessons from poor old East Europeans about
> 'communism'. We know from long, personal experience with you all, that 99%
> of you are clueless about it. All you people really have is your lived
> experience of 'Actually-Existing Socialism' -- i.e. stalinism -- and the
> willingness of westerners to use you for the propaganda value in having
> hated it (just to throw you away, after, when your services are no longer
> required...)
>
> All of which is pretty useless for the most part, for the World
> working-class. And completely and utterly wrong, need I add.
>
> So like I said: stick to LENR science. You're no good at the politics
> thing. Leave it to us pros.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Peter Gluck 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Che,
>>
>> what do you want to know about Communism?
>> my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.
>> Feel free to ask anything
>> Peter
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Che  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably
 anything else political, for that matter.

>>>
>>> Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no
>>> personal experience.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>> Cluj, Romania
>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Che]

OT for vortex-l, but a short reply (since an off-hand slagging of
'communism' was prominent in a LENR article):

No good marxist need learn any lessons from poor old East Europeans about
'communism'. We know from long, personal experience with you all, that 99%
of you are clueless about it. All you people really have is your lived
experience of 'Actually-Existing Socialism' -- i.e. stalinism -- and the
willingness of westerners to use you for the propaganda value in having
hated it (just to throw you away, after, when your services are no longer
required...)

All of which is pretty useless for the most part, for the World
working-class. And completely and utterly wrong, need I add.

So like I said: stick to LENR science. You're no good at the politics
thing. Leave it to us pros.




On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> Dear Che,
>
> what do you want to know about Communism?
> my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.
> Feel free to ask anything
> Peter
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Che  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably
>>> anything else political, for that matter.
>>>
>>
>> Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no
>> personal experience.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Lennart Thornros]

Guys, what kind of comments are these.?
I have marginal experience from socialistic states from travelling meeting
people and participated in some deflection.
Peter knows this area either he wants it or not.
You might not like his ideas but he certainly have seen it. Because of his
position he has also been able to see different formats of communism. As I
know he has seen other government formats as well and has a better position
to have opinion than most of us.
Che, do not know your background but . . . . ..

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> Dear Che,
>
> what do you want to know about Communism?
> my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.
> Feel free to ask anything
> Peter
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Che  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably
>>> anything else political, for that matter.
>>>
>>
>> Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no
>> personal experience.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Che,

what do you want to know about Communism?
my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.
Feel free to ask anything
Peter

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Che  wrote:
>
>
>
>> Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably
>> anything else political, for that matter.
>>
>
> Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no
> personal experience.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:



> Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably
> anything else political, for that matter.
>

Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no
personal experience.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Che]

Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably
anything else political, for that matter.

I suggest he stick closely to scientific matter, only.





On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/06/june-22-2016-comment-re-lenr-and-evil.html
>
> it is more here than it seems at the first sight
>
>
> peter
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

[Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/06/june-22-2016-comment-re-lenr-and-evil.html

it is more here than it seems at the first sight


peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com