Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
This is a way to turn ANYTHING that you can positive ionize into a metal. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:57 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:18:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. I'm not sure it's new. Sounds a lot like the definition of a metal to me. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:18:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. I'm not sure it's new. Sounds a lot like the definition of a metal to me. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
lattice*!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice… Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly be the ‘collective oscillations’ that McKubre and others have hypothesized… same phenomenon, different name. Or does the plasma ‘lattice’ imply additional properties not considered by LENR researchers? The other interesting clue which could be relevant to LENR is this: “Such plasmas …. can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation.” Remember that some LENR work (SPAWAR?) has looked at laser stimulation, and it seemed to have a positive effect… I think the problem with the lack of good theoretical basis for LENR comes from the fact that we really are discovering an entirely new field of physics, and there are numerous interactions that can occur… which just serves to confuse things… too many effects to coordinate into a qualitative model that can then be quantitatively explored and modeled. Truly exciting times! This will probably dwarf the importance of the transition in understanding when going from the Bohr model of the atom to quantum mechanics nearly 100 years ago. -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be… When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfs), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation. The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I’m being sarcastic here… This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn’t possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it’s very unlikely. if they don’t speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion… it’s ok to ‘not know’. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
, so that current can flow through them much faster.” ** ** So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms **its own lattice**!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? ** ** Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice… Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly be the ‘collective oscillations’ that McKubre and others have hypothesized… same phenomenon, different name. Or does the plasma ‘lattice’ imply additional properties not considered by LENR researchers? The other interesting clue which could be relevant to LENR is this: “Such plasmas …. can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation.” ** ** Remember that some LENR work (SPAWAR?) has looked at laser stimulation, and it seemed to have a positive effect… ** ** I think the problem with the lack of good theoretical basis for LENR comes from the fact that we really are discovering an entirely new field of physics, and there are numerous interactions that can occur… which just serves to confuse things… too many effects to coordinate into a qualitative model that can then be quantitatively explored and modeled. ** ** Truly exciting times! This will probably dwarf the importance of the transition in understanding when going from the Bohr model of the atom to quantum mechanics nearly 100 years ago. ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:19 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas ** ** Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran ** ** *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.netzeropo...@charter.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas ** ** Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be… *When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas* Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfshttp://www.physorg.com/tags%0d%0a/white+dwarfs/), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation http://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/. The new negative potential causes an attractive forcehttp://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. *More information:* P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, *Physical Review Letters* 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I’m being sarcastic here… ** ** This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn’t possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it’s very unlikely. if they don’t speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion… it’s ok to ‘not know’. ** ** -Mark ** **
[Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be. When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfs http://www.physorg.com/tags/white+dwarfs/ ), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation http://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/ . The new negative potential causes an attractive force http://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/ between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. Gee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I'm being sarcastic here. This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn't possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it's very unlikely. if they don't speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion. it's ok to 'not know'. -Mark
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be... When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfshttp://www.physorg.com/tags%0d%0a/white+dwarfs/), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiationhttp://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/. The new negative potential causes an attractive forcehttp://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/ between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I'm being sarcastic here... This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn't possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it's very unlikely. if they don't speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion... it's ok to 'not know'. -Mark
RE: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don't know yet. It's still 'in press' so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet. What's interesting is this: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms *its own lattice*!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma. now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice. Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly be the 'collective oscillations' that McKubre and others have hypothesized. same phenomenon, different name. Or does the plasma 'lattice' imply additional properties not considered by LENR researchers? The other interesting clue which could be relevant to LENR is this: Such plasmas .. can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation. Remember that some LENR work (SPAWAR?) has looked at laser stimulation, and it seemed to have a positive effect. I think the problem with the lack of good theoretical basis for LENR comes from the fact that we really are discovering an entirely new field of physics, and there are numerous interactions that can occur. which just serves to confuse things. too many effects to coordinate into a qualitative model that can then be quantitatively explored and modeled. Truly exciting times! This will probably dwarf the importance of the transition in understanding when going from the Bohr model of the atom to quantum mechanics nearly 100 years ago. -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be. When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfs http://www.physorg.com/tags%0d%0a/white+dwarfs/ ), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation http://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/ . The new negative potential causes an attractive force http://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/ between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I'm being sarcastic here. This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn't possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it's very unlikely. if they don't speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion. it's ok to 'not know'. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
with the lack of good theoretical basis for LENR comes from the fact that we really are discovering an entirely new field of physics, and there are numerous interactions that can occur… which just serves to confuse things… too many effects to coordinate into a qualitative model that can then be quantitatively explored and modeled. ** ** Truly exciting times! This will probably dwarf the importance of the transition in understanding when going from the Bohr model of the atom to quantum mechanics nearly 100 years ago. ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:19 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas ** ** Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran ** ** *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.netzeropo...@charter.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas ** ** Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be… *When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas* Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfshttp://www.physorg.com/tags%0d%0a/white+dwarfs/), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation http://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/. The new negative potential causes an attractive forcehttp://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. *More information:* P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, *Physical Review Letters* 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I’m being sarcastic here… ** ** This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn’t possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it’s very unlikely. if they don’t speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion… it’s ok to ‘not know’. ** ** -Mark ** **
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
… Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly be the ‘collective oscillations’ that McKubre and others have hypothesized… same phenomenon, different name. Or does the plasma ‘lattice’ imply additional properties not considered by LENR researchers? The other interesting clue which could be relevant to LENR is this: “Such plasmas …. can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation.” ** ** Remember that some LENR work (SPAWAR?) has looked at laser stimulation, and it seemed to have a positive effect… ** ** I think the problem with the lack of good theoretical basis for LENR comes from the fact that we really are discovering an entirely new field of physics, and there are numerous interactions that can occur… which just serves to confuse things… too many effects to coordinate into a qualitative model that can then be quantitatively explored and modeled. ** ** Truly exciting times! This will probably dwarf the importance of the transition in understanding when going from the Bohr model of the atom to quantum mechanics nearly 100 years ago. ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:19 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas ** ** Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran ** ** *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.netzeropo...@charter.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas ** ** Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be… *When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas* Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfshttp://www.physorg.com/tags%0d%0a/white+dwarfs/), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation http://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/. The new negative potential causes an attractive forcehttp://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. *More information:* P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, *Physical Review Letters* 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I’m being sarcastic here…* *** ** ** This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn’t possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it’s very unlikely. if they don’t speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion… it’s ok to ‘not know’. ** ** -Mark ** **
RE: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Axil: You’re a bit loose with your wording… an example is your following statement: “Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion.” Of course this is just your speculation, but you always seem to phrase things as if you have irrefutable evidence, and in most cases, this is just not the case. Now, being overly confident in your statements is not a crime, but it is a bit misleading. I would only suggest that you try to be a little more accurate with how you phrase things… the scientists and engineers that I admire always choose their wording carefully and accurately. Keep up the creative and technical postings… -Mark From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don’t know yet… It’s still ‘in press’ so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet… What’s interesting is this: “The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.” So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms *its own lattice*!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical
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We have several types of effects: a) the Piantelli type of reaction, where COP is of no importance, which measures reactions along a Pd -alloy-rod. b) gaseous c) fluid d) LeClair type cavitation induced e) other Now my problem is this: Can this be summoned on ONE theory? I do'nt know. Now, if it is, it is deeply troubling, because it means, that the coulomb barrier is not a barrier, but can be overcome by -not one -but several 'effects'. Which means, in all naivite, that the Coulomb barrier has not only ONE hole, but several. This currently is the only explanation for the transmutations. If transmutations are a fact, it simply means that the coulomb barrier is not what it is supposed to be. Sorry. This is a simple -ahem- 'explanation' as can be. BTW, this does not make me happy, but actually highly alarmed, because these reaction types currently are out of our control. My two cents.
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At 01:47 PM 3/27/2012, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: If transmutations are a fact, it simply means that the coulomb barrier is not what it is supposed to be. Or it's a weak Widom-Larsen effect: Coulomb does not apply. (Still have to explain the heavy electron mass, though.)
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
be the ‘collective oscillations’ that McKubre and others have hypothesized… same phenomenon, different name. Or does the plasma ‘lattice’ imply additional properties not considered by LENR researchers? The other interesting clue which could be relevant to LENR is this: “Such plasmas …. can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation.” Remember that some LENR work (SPAWAR?) has looked at laser stimulation, and it seemed to have a positive effect… I think the problem with the lack of good theoretical basis for LENR comes from the fact that we really are discovering an entirely new field of physics, and there are numerous interactions that can occur… which just serves to confuse things… too many effects to coordinate into a qualitative model that can then be quantitatively explored and modeled. Truly exciting times! This will probably dwarf the importance of the transition in understanding when going from the Bohr model of the atom to quantum mechanics nearly 100 years ago. -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be… When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfs), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation. The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I’m being sarcastic here… This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn’t possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it’s very unlikely. if they don’t speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion… it’s ok to ‘not know’. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Technically I should have written under compression instead of under strain. harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Might this be related to the piezonuclear activity (production of neutrons) observed during the laboratory fracturing of granite under strain? these locally extreme conditions could catalyse in the interpenetration band the formation of a plasma from the gases which are present in the solid materials (even at room conditions). from Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids Physics Letters A 373 (2009) 4158–4163 F. Cardone , A. Carpinteric, G. Lacidognac Harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material.
