Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR on the sun

2014-04-22 Thread Bob Cook
Mark--Good find--

I just finished the items you noted.  The presentation by Fischbach is 
compelling IME that the Sun produces something that travels with at least the 
speed of light that significantly changes the decay rates of beta emitters at 
least.  His suggested explanation of spin coupling energy transfer from the 
spin of neutrinos via a spin orbit type field (phase space)with a 1 au range 
may be the answer.  In the various related papers it seems it is also call the 
5th force.  

Again the spin interactions seem to be important and allow for energy transfer 
among particles.  

One interesting observation is that the Sun's neutrino source seems to be only 
1/9 of the total neutrino flux that could be influencing the decay rates.   The 
obvious other source is the Earth itself.  This may give basis for the theory 
that nuclear reactions and their production of neutrinos are providing the 
internal heat that the Earth emits.  I doubt that the sum total of all the 
surface reactors would add up to the neutrino flux being suggested as the 
ambient condition on the surface, although it may.  The local flux around a 
reactor could explain the variation in decay rates reported by various 
researchers for any given isotope.  Fischbach did not go this far in his talk.  
The average neutrino flux from the known reactors could be calculated.  It 
would be interesting to see how this compares to the total in the vicinity of 
the Earth.  This would provide the ratio of the man made sources and the 
natural sources of neutrino for Earth.  

Radioactive decay rate experiments on the Moon would be instructive in further 
understanding the issue of the influence of neutrinos.  

The other question that comes up is how has the neutrino flux on Earth changed 
over the years, if its primary source is internal.  It would mean that the 
radio isotope decay rates used for geologic dating techniques today would need 
to be corrected for such flux changes.   This would seem to be necessary at 
least for beta decay isotopes being used for dating.  

Maybe with spin coupling there is another mechanism for energy transport 
through solids--for example the Sun from the center to the surface--that 
involves neutrino interactions via spin with the other hadrons in the Sun.  
This would add to radiant heat transfer, conduction and convection already 
known.  It may be important in understanding the fusion rates at the center of 
the Sun and predicted lifetimes.   Fewer fusions may be happening than 
previously thought given the improved heat transfer and lower temperatures.   

Other conjectures with pop up in this forum I believe.

Bob Cook

  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Jurich 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:48 PM
  Subject: [Vo]:Re: LENR on the sun


   Bob Cook wrote:

   | The bigger question is how would neutrinos change the half life of a 
nucleus in any case?
   | The reaction cross section must be very small.

   | Has Frishbach suggested any mechanism for the change in decay rate?


  ...At approximately the 29 minute mark of the previously posted video, he 
makes a rather provocative suggestion: Spin-dependent long range force coupling 
to neutrinos (and the last question asked after the talk is relevant to that 
suggestion):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOOkR3a4vM

  ... Many of the slides for the presentation can be found here:

  http://moriond.in2p3.fr/J11/transparents/fischbach.pdf

  This is rather old stuff, actually.  If you head to arXiv and fish out the 
latest papers authored by Fischbach, you can catch up on latest in the nuclear 
decay rate situation.  I’m not aware of any further suggestions made by this 
collaboration of researchers.  Some further info on possible refutations are 
touched upon, here:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76lx-4fN-g

  Since this effect has apparently also been seen with Alpha Decay, it has 
raised more questions concerning suggestions such as Fischbach, et al.’s, 
above...

  ... The suggestion of a direct or catalytic effect had been made by 
Falkenberg back in 2001 (don’t think he’s the first to suggest this):

  http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V08NO2PDF/V08N2FAL.pdf

  The aphelion/perihelion solar neutrino flux variation is about +/- 3.2 or 
3.3% and the effect he saw with tritium was +/- 0.37% or about 1/9th the 
variation.  That data was taken in the 1981 timeframe.

  - Mark Jurich 

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR on the sun

2014-04-22 Thread Bob Cook
Mark--

Are you the Mark, Fischbach addresses several times in his presentation?

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Jurich 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:48 PM
  Subject: [Vo]:Re: LENR on the sun


   Bob Cook wrote:

   | The bigger question is how would neutrinos change the half life of a 
nucleus in any case?
   | The reaction cross section must be very small.

   | Has Frishbach suggested any mechanism for the change in decay rate?


  ...At approximately the 29 minute mark of the previously posted video, he 
makes a rather provocative suggestion: Spin-dependent long range force coupling 
to neutrinos (and the last question asked after the talk is relevant to that 
suggestion):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOOkR3a4vM

  ... Many of the slides for the presentation can be found here:

  http://moriond.in2p3.fr/J11/transparents/fischbach.pdf

  This is rather old stuff, actually.  If you head to arXiv and fish out the 
latest papers authored by Fischbach, you can catch up on latest in the nuclear 
decay rate situation.  I’m not aware of any further suggestions made by this 
collaboration of researchers.  Some further info on possible refutations are 
touched upon, here:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76lx-4fN-g

  Since this effect has apparently also been seen with Alpha Decay, it has 
raised more questions concerning suggestions such as Fischbach, et al.’s, 
above...

  ... The suggestion of a direct or catalytic effect had been made by 
Falkenberg back in 2001 (don’t think he’s the first to suggest this):

  http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V08NO2PDF/V08N2FAL.pdf

  The aphelion/perihelion solar neutrino flux variation is about +/- 3.2 or 
3.3% and the effect he saw with tritium was +/- 0.37% or about 1/9th the 
variation.  That data was taken in the 1981 timeframe.

  - Mark Jurich 

[Vo]:Re: LENR on the sun

2014-04-22 Thread Mark Jurich
 Bob Cook wrote:
 | Are you the Mark, Fischbach addresses several times in his presentation?


My guess is that is Mark Silverman from Trinity College (since he gave the 
previous talk at that session), but it is only based on the following two links:

Conference Schedule:
 http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/itamp/ScheduleHeavy.html

Mark Silverman, “Search for Nonrandom Behavior in Nuclear Decay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7WhJaNh4pg

- Mark Jurich

[Vo]:Re: LENR on the sun

2014-04-20 Thread Mark Jurich
 Bob Cook wrote:

 | The bigger question is how would neutrinos change the half life of a 
nucleus in any case?
 | The reaction cross section must be very small.

 | Has Frishbach suggested any mechanism for the change in decay rate?


...At approximately the 29 minute mark of the previously posted video, he makes 
a rather provocative suggestion: Spin-dependent long range force coupling to 
neutrinos (and the last question asked after the talk is relevant to that 
suggestion):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOOkR3a4vM

... Many of the slides for the presentation can be found here:

http://moriond.in2p3.fr/J11/transparents/fischbach.pdf

This is rather old stuff, actually.  If you head to arXiv and fish out the 
latest papers authored by Fischbach, you can catch up on latest in the nuclear 
decay rate situation.  I’m not aware of any further suggestions made by this 
collaboration of researchers.  Some further info on possible refutations are 
touched upon, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76lx-4fN-g

Since this effect has apparently also been seen with Alpha Decay, it has raised 
more questions concerning suggestions such as Fischbach, et al.’s, above...

... The suggestion of a direct or catalytic effect had been made by Falkenberg 
back in 2001 (don’t think he’s the first to suggest this):

http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V08NO2PDF/V08N2FAL.pdf

The aphelion/perihelion solar neutrino flux variation is about +/- 3.2 or 3.3% 
and the effect he saw with tritium was +/- 0.37% or about 1/9th the variation.  
That data was taken in the 1981 timeframe.

- Mark Jurich