RE: [Vo]:Meissner effect and focusing ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

High local B magnetic fields are important in establishing energy states of 
coherent systems they penetrate.

We note the Mosier-Boss conclusion that SC and LENR seem to be related 
phenomena.
The Meissner effect,t as it has been long recognized, expels magnetic fields 
from within a super conductor to the exterior surface.  Near by isotopes with 
various spin energy states would be affected with pertinent new resonances 
associated with the modified energy states.

In addition,  if the super conducting item were s a particular alignment of 
atoms in a nano-size defect of the  host material. allowable positions of 
positive charged particles trapped within an intra-cell lattice vacancy  
significantly  reduced. making coupling between the positive particles more 
likely.  The respective spin energy states of the entire coupled system—lattice 
electrons and nucleons—changes per the 2nd Law to reduce potential energy and 
increase kinetic energy, conserving angular momentum.  Many particles may be 
involved in t he change of the coherent system with transmutations and fusion 
of involved particles making  up the coherent system, changing their original 
particle identity.

Reactions can continue as long as the SC phenomena remains with its enhancing B 
field.

This mechanism may explain the localization of LENR/SC observed in the 
Mosier-Boss etal. Research.

Engineering of nano defects and SC materials is where the rubber meets the road 
IMHO.   Also being able to control the processes with varying magnetic fields 
using electromagnets, permanent magnets or coherent EM photonic stimulation is 
an obvious advantage in achieving a practical device.  Limiting lattice 
temperatures is a must objective to assure the reactor does not self destruct 
due to melting.

Collecting gross positive and negative charges released during the LENR 
reactions for  direct electrical energy production would be valuable as well.

Hopefully the production of reactions that produce neutrons that can activate 
reactor materials can be avoided to eliminate radioactive waste problems.  
Understanding the detailed reactions possible is essential to avoid the 
undesirable neutrons.

Bob Cook






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From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 9:49:17 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meissner effect and focusing ?


We can produce ultra-dense matter using just about any initial feedstock if we 
apply enough pressure to it. In the case of the “woodpecker” experiment being 
reported by Can, the material that he are working with is water. The pressure 
application is coming from the calling cavitation bubble produced by an 
electric arc. Water could reach a metallic state just like hydrogen given the 
application of enough pressure.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM JonesBeene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Thanks, Jürg.

A “focusing” capability – using neodymium ring magnets - would present an 
interesting option in a situation where the  superconductor is the not the 
pellet we are familiar with, but instead is a microscopic strings of dense 
hydrogen, such as described by Holmlid.

If that dense species can be enriched and collected in a focal point of two 
ring magnets – while the species is still in  a liquid or slurry, then there 
would be a potential answer as to how it could  form a target for a laser 
pulse. Normally we would imagine that far too little of it would be available 
as a target - due to dilution within the liquid.

What brought this up  now is the simple “woodpecker” experiment being reported 
by Can on lenr-forum. By careful data collection he has turned a simple and 
cheap experiment into something potentially meaningful.

There is a chance that he is making dense hydrogen in the slurry with the spark 
discharge. Of course the small increase in counts is only suggestive of a 
Holmlid or Mills effect , but would be of greater potential importance if laser 
imploded, since that should entail an exponential increase in counts (according 
to Holmlid).

That outcome of greatly increased counts  could be stretch given this situation 
– but the idea that Holmlid’s concept of a superfluid/superconductive species 
which can be made simply by sparking – that  is provocative -  and even more so 
if there is a pathway to actually activating the dilute species with a laser 
pulse.


From: Jürg Wyttenbach<mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>

>From the physics point of view the Meissner effect is caused by an induced - 
>repelling - counter current.

If such a current stays on a ring then from the physics point of view the rings 
will self adjust as long as the axis of the opposite field stays inside the 
ring. (Of course there are more parameters like real mass etc. for an exact 
model)

I used this in my old LENR writeup to explain how magnetic focusing of Li*-H* 
works...




Am 07.07.19 um 17:27 s

Re: [Vo]:Meissner effect and focusing ?

[Axil Axil]

We can produce ultra-dense matter using just about any initial feedstock if
we apply enough pressure to it. In the case of the “woodpecker” experiment
being reported by Can, the material that he are working with is water. The
pressure application is coming from the calling cavitation bubble produced
by an electric arc. Water could reach a metallic state just like hydrogen
given the application of enough pressure.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

> Thanks, Jürg.
>
>
>
> A “focusing” capability – using neodymium ring magnets - would present an
> interesting option in a situation where the  superconductor is the not the
> pellet we are familiar with, but instead is a microscopic strings of dense
> hydrogen, such as described by Holmlid.
>
>
>
> If that dense species can be enriched and collected in a focal point of
> two ring magnets – while the species is still in  a liquid or slurry, then
> there would be a potential answer as to how it could  form a target for a
> laser pulse. Normally we would imagine that far too little of it would be
> available as a target - due to dilution within the liquid.
>
>
>
> What brought this up  now is the simple “woodpecker” experiment being
> reported by Can on lenr-forum. By careful data collection he has turned a
> simple and cheap experiment into something potentially meaningful.
>
>
>
> There is a chance that he is making dense hydrogen in the slurry with the
> spark discharge. Of course the small increase in counts is only suggestive
> of a Holmlid or Mills effect , but would be of greater potential importance
> if laser imploded, since that should entail an exponential increase in
> counts (according to Holmlid).
>
>
>
> That outcome of greatly increased counts  could be stretch given this
> situation – but the idea that Holmlid’s concept of a
> superfluid/superconductive species which can be made simply by sparking –
> that  is provocative -  and even more so if there is a pathway to actually
> activating the dilute species with a laser pulse.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Jürg Wyttenbach 
>
>
>
> From the physics point of view the Meissner effect is caused by an induced
> - repelling - counter current.
>
>
>
> If such a current stays on a ring then from the physics point of view the
> rings will self adjust as long as the axis of the opposite field stays
> inside the ring. (Of course there are more parameters like real mass etc.
> for an exact model)
>
>
>
> I used this in my old LENR writeup to explain how magnetic focusing of
> Li*-H* works...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 07.07.19 um 17:27 schrieb JonesBeene:
>
>
>
> Here is an interesting question with a non-obvious application to LENR –
> involving the Meissner effect and magnetic focusing.
>
>
>
> It's unclear from the literature whether the Meissner Effect can be used
> to focus  an object in a static magnetic field. For instance, imagine two
> strong magnets facing each other in repelling (bucking) mode with a gap in
> between them.. Will a superconductor (HTSC) become focused, locked and
> constrained within the cusp of the magnets’ bucking field  (which is
> expected) OR does flux pinning actually hinder this focusing?
>
>
>
> The answer to that question  – if it is out there on the Web, does not
> turn up easily.
>
>
>
> As soon as the answer turns up, an interesting way in which this could
> dynamic have usefulness in LENR will be mentioned.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jürg Wyttenbach
>
> Bifangstr.22
>
> 8910 Affoltern a.A.
>
> 044 760 14 18
>
> 079 246 36 06
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Meissner effect and focusing ?

[JonesBeene]

Thanks, Jürg.

A “focusing” capability – using neodymium ring magnets - would present an 
interesting option in a situation where the  superconductor is the not the 
pellet we are familiar with, but instead is a microscopic strings of dense 
hydrogen, such as described by Holmlid.

 If that dense species can be enriched and collected in a focal point of two 
ring magnets – while the species is still in  a liquid or slurry, then there 
would be a potential answer as to how it could  form a target for a laser 
pulse. Normally we would imagine that far too little of it would be available 
as a target - due to dilution within the liquid.

What brought this up  now is the simple “woodpecker” experiment being reported 
by Can on lenr-forum. By careful data collection he has turned a simple and 
cheap experiment into something potentially meaningful.

There is a chance that he is making dense hydrogen in the slurry with the spark 
discharge. Of course the small increase in counts is only suggestive of a 
Holmlid or Mills effect , but would be of greater potential importance if laser 
imploded, since that should entail an exponential increase in counts (according 
to Holmlid).

That outcome of greatly increased counts  could be stretch given this situation 
– but the idea that Holmlid’s concept of a superfluid/superconductive species 
which can be made simply by sparking – that  is provocative -  and even more so 
if there is a pathway to actually activating the dilute species with a laser 
pulse. 


From: Jürg Wyttenbach

>From the physics point of view the Meissner effect is caused by an induced - 
>repelling - counter current.

If such a current stays on a ring then from the physics point of view the rings 
will self adjust as long as the axis of the opposite field stays inside the 
ring. (Of course there are more parameters like real mass etc. for an exact 
model)

I used this in my old LENR writeup to explain how magnetic focusing of Li*-H* 
works... 




Am 07.07.19 um 17:27 schrieb JonesBeene:
 
Here is an interesting question with a non-obvious application to LENR – 
involving the Meissner effect and magnetic focusing.
 
It's unclear from the literature whether the Meissner Effect can be used to 
focus  an object in a static magnetic field. For instance, imagine two strong 
magnets facing each other in repelling (bucking) mode with a gap in between 
them.. Will a superconductor (HTSC) become focused, locked and constrained 
within the cusp of the magnets’ bucking field  (which is expected) OR does flux 
pinning actually hinder this focusing?
 
The answer to that question  – if it is out there on the Web, does not turn up 
easily.
 
As soon as the answer turns up, an interesting way in which this could dynamic 
have usefulness in LENR will be mentioned.
 
 

-- 
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Meissner effect and focusing ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Your last sentence leave me hanging.  Have you seen the answer?

FRC

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From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 7:27:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Meissner effect and focusing ?


Here is an interesting question with a non-obvious application to LENR – 
involving the Meissner effect and magnetic focusing.

It's unclear from the literature whether the Meissner Effect can be used to 
focus  an object in a static magnetic field. For instance, imagine two strong 
magnets facing each other in repelling (bucking) mode with a gap in between 
them.. Will a superconductor (HTSC) become focused, locked and constrained 
within the cusp of the magnets’ bucking field  (which is expected) OR does flux 
pinning actually hinder this focusing?

The answer to that question  – if it is out there on the Web, does not turn up 
easily.

As soon as the answer turns up, an interesting way in which this could dynamic 
have usefulness in LENR will be mentioned.

Re: [Vo]:Meissner effect and focusing ?

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

From the physics point of view the Meissner effect is caused by an 
induced - repelling - counter current.


If such a current stays on a ring then from the physics point of view 
the rings will self adjust as long as the axis of the opposite field 
stays inside the ring. (Of course there are more parameters like real 
mass etc. for an exact model)


I used this in my old LENR writeup to explain how magnetic focusing of 
Li*-H* works...





Am 07.07.19 um 17:27 schrieb JonesBeene:


Here is an interesting question with a non-obvious application to LENR 
– involving the Meissner effect and magnetic focusing.


It's unclear from the literature whether the Meissner Effect can be 
used to focus  an object in a static magnetic field. For instance, 
imagine two strong magnets facing each other in repelling (bucking) 
mode with a gap in between them.. Will a superconductor (HTSC) become 
focused, locked and constrained within the cusp of the magnets’ 
bucking field  (which is expected) OR does flux pinning actually 
hinder this focusing?


The answer to that question  – if it is out there on the Web, does not 
turn up easily.


As soon as the answer turns up, an interesting way in which this could 
dynamic have usefulness in LENR will be mentioned.




--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06