RE: [Vo]:Speaking of MAHG

2011-12-05 Thread peter . heckert


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
An:  vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum:   05.12.2011 02:39
Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Speaking of MAHG
 The 15 kHz frequency is in the low ultrasonic range, and has been seen in a
 number of claimed gainful (or very efficient) devices: most recently the
 Joule Thief or the Stiffler or Kugushov circuits, but before that-
 Stanley
 Meyer, and importantly - a number of cavitation LENR devices and Bearden's
 MEG. Not sure about Griggs. Probably others are in this low ultrasound
 range. Coincidence?
 
The coincidence could be this: Higher frequencies are difficult to handle.  
 
 There are dozens of videos on YouTube of CFL lamps operating to produce
 significant light at 100 times less input power than specs (milliwatt
 range). In most of them the video cam will pick up the ultrasonic hum (very
 annoying) which is not evident to the builder, until he sees the video. It
 is just above audible.
 
I have seen these demos. The problem is this: The sensitivity of human eye is
the logarithm of photon count.

For example, if you have a LED and you reduce the current by 50%, then, without
direct comparison, you would not see a difference in brightness.
Also, in videos, the camera will change the exposure, if brightness changes, and
this has the same effect.

It is not possible to estimate the power from the visual experience of 
brightness.
Without power measurements these lamp and LED demonstrations are meaningless
and  misleading.

Added to this, we have resonance transformation effects, and this makes 
precise electrical power measurements difficult if not impossible without very 
expensive 
equipment.

Peter



RE: [Vo]:Speaking of MAHG

2011-12-04 Thread Jones Beene
Fran,

 

Well, this situation sounds like Moller/Naudin/Frolov are still in denial
about the bone-headed measurement errors of the old work. No surprise.
Moller does not want to go there for fear of compromising the cash flow to
his other profit centers. He is a top fund raiser, as you discovered, and we
can only hope that he has not sold out in terms of doing good science.

 

Too bad, as they did not appreciate what they had, apparently. This will
happen when you main goal is to monetize every single advance. But the irony
is that Rossi may have jumped in and monetized what they should have 7 years
ago.

 

The photos here can demonstrate the similarity of MAHG to E-Cat in physical
size and shape:

 

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/photos.htm

 

An interesting point is that the MAHG device is based on a revamped RF
vacuum tube, when in fact, in operation, the gas pressure is at several
bar. Rossi claims much higher gas pressure, but I am not sure if his is
actually documented. RF will propagate at high gas pressure, of course, and
in fact glow discharge seems to be enhanced at the operating frequency of
MAHG. 

 

The 15 kHz frequency is in the low ultrasonic range, and has been seen in a
number of claimed gainful (or very efficient) devices: most recently the
Joule Thief or the Stiffler or Kugushov circuits, but before that- Stanley
Meyer, and importantly - a number of cavitation LENR devices and Bearden's
MEG. Not sure about Griggs. Probably others are in this low ultrasound
range. Coincidence?

 

There are dozens of videos on YouTube of CFL lamps operating to produce
significant light at 100 times less input power than specs (milliwatt
range). In most of them the video cam will pick up the ultrasonic hum (very
annoying) which is not evident to the builder, until he sees the video. It
is just above audible.

 

From: francis 

 

Hi Jones, Yes I did pitch this idea to Moller but his reply indicated that I
needed to be a serious investor before he and Frolov could commit any
further energy into this pursuit. 

 



Re: [Vo]:Speaking of MAHG

2011-12-02 Thread Terry Blanton
Indeed it did occur to me when Roarty spoke of it; but, Rossi reading
our MAHG posts on Yahoo might be a stretch.

Oh, but we did post a good bit about it on Vortex and he could have
picked up on it there.

Opportunities missed . . .

T