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I think the present board contains only a diode to shunt the energy from the collapsing field in the inductors back to the battery. Sure they recover some energy if they do this but they also damage the battery. If they did not do this, the reed switch would fail sooner due to arcing from the collapsing inductor field. Elsewhere we explored gating inductors to redirect energy between them; but, the fact that you cannot store energy in the magnetic field of the inductor (unlike the electric field of the capacitor) means you have to be cognizant of the potential for damage to the gates. A switched inductor's potential will seek infinity in order to drop the magnetic charge, often deadly to mosfets. IGBTs worked better. Terry On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the other 2 slots will contain at the start, and at the end of the january demos? one already contains a PCB with a reed switch (or uhh, did i just get all that wrong?) what could the 2 other slots possibly contain? im guessing here but would it be possible that they'd start an orbo up with a battery, then switch to capacitors to keep it running - and then? an orbo running a second orbo? it really seemed to me that the measurement input/output will be addressed in january. i dont think you machine 3 slots for fun. its possible that the armchair skeptics are going to get their nose rubbed on their own pride. i have a feeling that anyone who's currently claiming naw, nevermind them, seen it, not gonna do anything, its a scam is being led down a road they are very willing to walk - whilst basically just tightening the figurative noose on their neck with their brilliance.. so, what would anyone here suggest could fill the slots, if we are to just start with the wildly random premise that they actually know capacitors exist... On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Light bulb! Light bulb! Light bulb! Calm down, Mongo. Here, have a nice candygram.
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I think the present board contains only a diode to shunt the energy from the collapsing field in the inductors back to the battery. From Esa's closeup, the single component on the board is labeled IC2. However, it is only a 2-port device (only two wires are connected). There are other components labeled including IC1. The board is labeled Roth Electronics Company RE901. Interesting that it is a surface mount board, an unnecessary complication for this demonstration. Terry
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Hiya.. The person who was there, taking photos and video of himself - at the same time as me, proved to be a member of the Steorn 300, and posts on YouTube as Plismore. He's the person talking to Tachoman in the 3'30min video that's on Vimeo now. Free Energy Truth Blogspot just posted this little article: http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2009/12/member-of-public-shares-his-impression.html And here's the videos where Plismore stares at the camera and says stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZrusVmkFWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-hOZkp_3I8 Funny that both of us happened to be there at the same time, - and I guess these are the only vids + imagery apart from some shoddy ones.. I hope Plismore will visit in January - since he appears to be Irish anyway.
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On 12/24/2009 12:26 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:51 PM 12/23/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Some of the snarkier folks at VOTB have observed that Steorn's claim that all electrical energy goes into heat could be interpreted to mean their motor is essentially 0% efficient, and that they are spinning this to claim its efficiency is greater than 100%. Be that as it may, it's interesting. There are a lot of criticisms which are completely off. For if it were true that the battery power were going entirely into heat, the motor would certainly be over-unity, so that snarkier person was blowing smoke. They weren't; I left out part of the point which was being made. The trouble with the Steorn claim is that it's (presumably!) not *exactly* the case that *all* the energy goes into heat. Rather, *nearly* all the energy goes into heat, and the motor is actually, say, 1% efficient, not 0% efficient. A critical difference. This came up in the context of the discussion of what Sean's demo with the scope really demonstrated; the conclusion seemed to be that the measurements he made didn't actually prove there was *no* back EMF. So, the skeptical assumption is that there really is some tiny back EMF which is being ignored, and which makes the difference between a highly inefficient conventional motor and a miracle motor.
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It's an interesting show, none the less. Esa's vids reveal that there are slots for three circuit boards in the present design. There are also three coil sets. I suspect we will see an evolution of this device as the demonstration progresses. If they can recover the energy to saturate the toroids in the motor, maybe they can direct this energy to the generator toroids to eliminate cogging (sticky spots). The dramatic finalé will be to have the motor/generator built out in increments with the last step to remove the battery and attach a light bulb and leave it running for hours. Or not. Terry
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One thing should be kept in mind. Steorn claims that it noticed an anomaly. It has never described the exact nature of the anomaly, not publicly. Thus much of the criticism is simply an assertion that an anomaly is impossible. Steorn quite directly confronts this, with a truth: anomalies are not expected through accepted physics. The business plan of Steorn, though, is to keep the anomaly secret and sell the secret. They thus avoid direct and cogent and open criticism of the experimental work that underlies their years of confident claims. We are left with three hypotheses. 1. They are total scam artists, there is no basis for believing that over-unity is possible, what they found wasn't an actual anomaly, and they know it, it was rather something that can be made to appear to be an anomaly, through sufficient obfuscation. 2. They believe there is an anomaly, and they actually found one. They are concealing the information for publicity purposes. They are aware that the funding necessary to create a practical application from the anomaly is greater than they could manage with existing capital. Besides, it's possible that, for some reason, the anomaly isn't actually practical, and they don't want to be on the losing side of that possibility. They want to shove that risk off to bigger pockets. With a real anomaly, they have figured out how to make money even if it isn't practically useful. 3. The anomaly is an artifact, a result of an incomplete understanding of the physics involved and how to measure the energy balances. Steorn is pursuing an approach designed to maximize their profit while minimizing their risks. For example, consider possibility three. What is Steorn selling? Two things: Disclosure, and a set of products. Products for what? Investigating the anomaly! There is a similarity to my own business plan, except for one thing: I'm totally disclosing everything, from the start. What I will be selling is not disclosure, that's free. It's simple products for investigating the known (or believed) anomalies involved in cold fusion experiments, starting with a codeposition experiment optimized for low cost and neutron detection, basically reproducing the Galileo protocol (or a close analog), which was designed by SPAWAR. However, the nature of the alleged Orbo anomaly has become more visible. They are using the effect of a toroidal coil on a ferrite core to control the attraction of permanent magnets on a rotor to the core, which attraction, when the ferrites are open, will cause rotary motion, but which, without the control, will cog. Now, we can look at that configuration and expect no energy gain, but we are assuming that there is no anomaly. Until we see evidence for an anomaly, that's rational. The only evidence we have (those of us who haven't received the disclosure) is Steorn's confident assertion of things like over-unity, to a ratio of three. I.e., with so much power used to flip the ferrite state, they are gaining double that power in the rotor. If this were true, however, why the need for very-low-friction bearings? Where is the pudding? Still in their fridge. Where it's been for years. And we know enough about Steorn, from what has come down, what's in the record (there is lots of stuff on the Village of the Banned site), that they are deceptive, they have actually admitted it at one point. (I.e., that they released misleading information in order to lead possible Men in Black astray.) They have suppressed or reframed negative information. For example, they recruited a jury, named it, and supposedly provided the jury with evidence. The jury concluded, apparently after being frustrated by lack of full disclosure, or, alternatively, with the shallowness of what was disclosed, that there was no reason to believe there was an anomaly. They then used this jury conclusion as if it were some outside jury of scientists with their minds fogged by conventional theory. And they eliminated the earlier references to how the jury was formed and the history. In other words, I trust them not in the least. Not because of conventional physics, but because of how they have behaved. Which anyone can discover with a little digging.
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On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: One thing should be kept in mind. Steorn claims that it noticed an anomaly. It has never described the exact nature of the anomaly, not publicly. In the words of the SecDef in Independence Day: That's not entirely accurate. They claim the anomaly is related to Magnetic Viscosity, SsubV. Eltimple demonstrates this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI7FXReF-5g They might also find a second order effect from Barkhausen. These discussions are available to the public on http://www.steorn.com/forum; but, the database is massive. I'll keep my mind open. But, no so that my brain falls out. Terry
RE: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
Terry sez: It's an interesting show, none the less. Esa's vids reveal that there are slots for three circuit boards in the present design. There are also three coil sets. I suspect we will see an evolution of this device as the demonstration progresses. If they can recover the energy to saturate the toroids in the motor, maybe they can direct this energy to the generator toroids to eliminate cogging (sticky spots). The dramatic finalé will be to have the motor/generator built out in increments with the last step to remove the battery and attach a light bulb and leave it running for hours. Or not. Terry Light bulb! Light bulb! Light bulb! Mongo December 12, 2009. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Light bulb! Light bulb! Light bulb! Calm down, Mongo. Here, have a nice candygram.
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the other 2 slots will contain at the start, and at the end of the january demos? one already contains a PCB with a reed switch (or uhh, did i just get all that wrong?) what could the 2 other slots possibly contain? im guessing here but would it be possible that they'd start an orbo up with a battery, then switch to capacitors to keep it running - and then? an orbo running a second orbo? it really seemed to me that the measurement input/output will be addressed in january. i dont think you machine 3 slots for fun. its possible that the armchair skeptics are going to get their nose rubbed on their own pride. i have a feeling that anyone who's currently claiming naw, nevermind them, seen it, not gonna do anything, its a scam is being led down a road they are very willing to walk - whilst basically just tightening the figurative noose on their neck with their brilliance.. so, what would anyone here suggest could fill the slots, if we are to just start with the wildly random premise that they actually know capacitors exist... On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Light bulb! Light bulb! Light bulb! Calm down, Mongo. Here, have a nice candygram.
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On 12/24/2009 10:51 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the other 2 slots will contain at the start, and at the end of the january demos? one already contains a PCB with a reed switch (or uhh, did i just get all that wrong?) what could the 2 other slots possibly contain? im guessing here but would it be possible that they'd start an orbo up with a battery, then switch to capacitors to keep it running - and then? an orbo running a second orbo? If they do that, I'll cheerily admit that I was dead wrong about them. In fact, I've already predicted they'll produce nothing better before next June, so if they fill those extra slots some time in January, then my prediction was certainly wrong, almost no matter what the new version of the machine does. No wiggling, I promise! ;-) But if Steorn shows that they can power an Orbo from an Orbo, nobody will notice what I say at that point; they'll be too distracted by what will be a truly reality-inverting event, if Steorn pulls it off.
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If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
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whats the village of the banned forum? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
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Well, I'm thinking, if there were any limitations to filming, the securityguards would've said something. Right? If they weren't doing their job and I got away with photos and video, then too bad - but I think everyone would've just stopped listening to Steorn if they had gone and forbidden any video + photos - it'd be equivalent to them throwing themselves in front of a speeding train. Anyway, my (completely random) Vimeo account is currently being uploaded to, and here's the first video http://vimeo.com/8358720 http://vimeo.com/8356820 - this one is processing, I'm not sure how long it will take, but it's the longest of the lot, about 3 and a half minutes, in which a member of the Steorn 300 (or something, some of you know the more accurate name) is asking about whether the Orbo technology could be upscaled, and mr. Tachoman responds. ok, the 2nd link is now on. check it out. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
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http://moletrap.co.uk/forum/ On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: whats the village of the banned forum? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
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Esa, Both vimeo videos came through clean for me. Looks great. Iphone... Good! If you get the chance, could you personally ask someone like Tachoman why Steorn didn't design the ORBO demo device around a high functioning capacitor, as compared to the battery currently used. I think it would really be interesting to get their explanation recorded and then uploaded to a server like vimeo. Just a suggestion. :-) Inquiring minds want to know! One has to assume that Steorn has been reading skeptical commentary. Surely many skeptics have also complained about Steorn's use of the battery. On the surface it seems to be a big strike against Steorn's claims that the device proves it is a functional OU demonstration. Or has Steorn already given an explanation. If so, can someone direct me to the source? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On 12/23/2009 09:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Esa, Both vimeo videos came through clean for me. Looks great. Iphone... Good! If you get the chance, could you personally ask someone like Tachoman why Steorn didn’t design the ORBO demo device around a high functioning capacitor, as compared to the battery currently used. I think it would really be interesting to get their “explanation” recorded and then uploaded to a server like vimeo. Just a suggestion. :-) Inquiring minds want to know! One has to assume that Steorn has been reading skeptical commentary. Surely many skeptics have also complained about Steorn’s use of the battery. On the surface it seems to be a big strike against Steorn’s claims that the device “proves” it is a functional OU demonstration. Or has Steorn already given an explanation. If so, can someone direct me to the source? As I understand it, they are not claiming that the motor being demonstrated is OU in the sense of more *mechanical* energy out than electrical energy in. Rather, they are claiming that it is a unique design which has no (electromagnetic) back EMF, with voltage drop and current both independent of load, and that, in fact, all input power goes into resistive heating of the coils. Consequently, the mechanical energy which comes out (and which also eventually turns into heat, but that's beside the point) is all free, as a result of which *total* energy out (mechanical + resistive heat) is larger than the electrical energy in. However, whether their claim is true or not, the fact remains that the battery's energy is being dissipated, and a supercap, with smaller capacity than the battery, would just run down faster. That is, at least, the obvious conclusion. Anyhow that's my take on their claim, and the reasoning behind demonstrating the motor with the battery as though it is something more than just a motor run by a battery. Some of the snarkier folks at VOTB have observed that Steorn's claim that all electrical energy goes into heat could be interpreted to mean their motor is essentially 0% efficient, and that they are spinning this to claim its efficiency is greater than 100%. Be that as it may, it's interesting.
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At 09:02 PM 12/23/2009, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Esa, Both vimeo videos came through clean for me. Looks great. Iphone... Good! If you get the chance, could you personally ask someone like Tachoman why Steorn didn't design the ORBO demo device around a high functioning capacitor, as compared to the battery currently used. I think it would really be interesting to get their explanation recorded and then uploaded to a server like vimeo. The demonstration didn't have the generator. In other words, it wasn't a demonstration of the supposed technology that the videos show as a diagram. They were making no attempt to measure the energy stored or provided to the rotor. Nothing quantititative at all except a *claim* that the system was running at 300% efficiency. If it were that high, one would think it easy to make it self-charge. I rather doubt it, to say the least. Otherwise why the great concern for very low friction bearings? You put a generator on that rotor and it's going to have a lot more drag than any reasonable bearing would produce, the bearing drag would become irrelevant. Just a suggestion. :-) Inquiring minds want to know! One has to assume that Steorn has been reading skeptical commentary. Surely many skeptics have also complained about Steorn's use of the battery. On the surface it seems to be a big strike against Steorn's claims that the device proves it is a functional OU demonstration. Or has Steorn already given an explanation. If so, can someone direct me to the source? I don't really see that they are claiming proof. It's just a showing of the technology, with hints. Here is what I derive from the hints and discussion at the Village of the Banned and elsewhere. Note that I don't have necessarily the right terminology. They have a rotor with four permanent magnets arrange at each ninety degree position, pole outward radially. They have four toroid electromagnets with a core that will attract the permanent magnets. When a current flows in the toroid, the core loses its attractiveness to the permanent magnets. By timing the current flow, they can preserve the attraction that accelerates the rotor, while eliminating the attraction that would be a drag. The issue is how much energy it takes to turn off the attraction. The claim that the energy of the battery is entirely dissipated as heat is crucial. If that is true, where is the energy accelerating the rotor coming from? Note that the battery is *not* creating a magnetic field that is attracting the permanent magnets, i.e., this isn't the usual electric motor arrangement. Rather, the battery is quenching the attractiveness of the toroid core. I find it fascinating that this seems to be common knowledge or opinion among those of the Banned. I.e., those who have been closely following this. It seems that Steorn may have revealed the anomaly they are talking about. It would be an alleged mismatch between the energy dissipated in the toriods and the acceleration of the rotor. The user Alsetalokin on http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=552page=1#Item_0, who has a YouTube video that shows how a permanent magnet is attracted to a core, and when the toriod is connected to a battery, the permanent magnet drops. It makes no difference which way the battery is connected. Someone here probably can describe this far better. But I've got, now, an idea of how Orbo is supposed to work. Highly skeptical, I remain. Here is where I think the problem lies. Yes, the current in the toroid, while the magnetic field is constant, and current is constant, is resulting entirely in heat. However, the inductance of the toroid will resist changes in current. Extra work is done to set up the magnetic field initially, the field that neutralizes the attractiveness of the core to the permanent magnets. That is *not* dissipated as heat, it is stored in the field energy. I'm way outside my field, so to speak, so please forgive the language and possible weakness of understanding. But I haven't seen anyone but Alsetalokin discussing this, and even that was oblique, I haven't seen an explicit description of the operating technology.
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At 10:51 PM 12/23/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: As I understand it, they are not claiming that the motor being demonstrated is OU in the sense of more *mechanical* energy out than electrical energy in. Yes. The electrical energy is entirely being dissipated as heat, they claim, it is not accelerating the rotor. I think they are deceiving themselves. Or others or both. But at least we now have an idea of the claim. Rather, they are claiming that it is a unique design which has no (electromagnetic) back EMF, with voltage drop and current both independent of load, and that, in fact, all input power goes into resistive heating of the coils. What they are doing is turning of the attractiveness of the core. Alsetalokin says this: In the Orbo, the coil's field per se does not contribute to the rotor motion directly since it is mostly trapped in the toroidal core, and there is no repulsive modality active (except for the slight coil and lead leakage fields).) EDIT @LC note that this also explains your oscillations. The magnets are attracted to the cores, not the winding's field, so when the power is OFF the thing cogs strongly, and when the power is ON the rotor is freewheeling. From user Angus repeating Alsetalokin: the motor works by switching off the attraction of a magnet to a ferrite by saturating the ferrite. It's not new, (US Pat 5,327,112) , but is perhaps new in a motor? Instead of using the electromagnet to generate force you use it to turn off force - a kind of inside out affair. Back to Stephen: Consequently, the mechanical energy which comes out (and which also eventually turns into heat, but that's beside the point) is all free, as a result of which *total* energy out (mechanical + resistive heat) is larger than the electrical energy in. However, whether their claim is true or not, the fact remains that the battery's energy is being dissipated, and a supercap, with smaller capacity than the battery, would just run down faster. That is, at least, the obvious conclusion. Until they put a generator on the rotor. That's when a supercap would be appropriate, and would demonstrate the effect if it exists and the losses aren't too great. Anyhow that's my take on their claim, and the reasoning behind demonstrating the motor with the battery as though it is something more than just a motor run by a battery. They didn't really explain it, which I find odd in itself. Some of the snarkier folks at VOTB have observed that Steorn's claim that all electrical energy goes into heat could be interpreted to mean their motor is essentially 0% efficient, and that they are spinning this to claim its efficiency is greater than 100%. Be that as it may, it's interesting. There are a lot of criticisms which are completely off. For if it were true that the battery power were going entirely into heat, the motor would certainly be over-unity, so that snarkier person was blowing smoke. However, it only takes a small fraction of the battery power pumping that magnetic field, turning it on and off, if that energy ends up in angular momentum of the rotor, to make the motor obey conservation of energy. If that's the case, then there is no way to extract enough energy from the rotation to keep up the charge on the battery or capacitor.
