Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
On 4/23/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry (wishing he had a detachable penis) Hell no, you'd put it down somewhere and lose it.
Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
On 4/22/07, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones Beene wrote: Enjoy you(r) rapturous stay in the NeoCon wing of the Matrix Kokopelli rules ;-) What does that mean? The trickster rules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokopelli Terry (wishing he had a detachable penis)
Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: One sided propaganda, she was too busy beating the drum on human caused Well, it is difficult to ignore Dr. Brenda, PhD's credentials, and the fact that she is and has worked in the field of climate science. Furthermore Dr. Brenda said the mass majority of climate scientist *now* believe global warming is caused by humanity, and such evidence is overwhelming. There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: One sided propaganda, she was too busy beating the drum on human caused Well, it is difficult to ignore Dr. Brenda, PhD's credentials, and the fact that she is and has worked in the field of climate science. Furthermore Dr. Brenda said the mass majority of climate scientist *now* believe global warming is caused by humanity, and such evidence is overwhelming. There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU No doubt, but Dr. Brenda said nearly all climate scientists now agree with the recent overwhelming data that clearly indicates humanity is the cause of global warming. Humanity is destroying this planet, period! Paul Lowrance
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Howdy Vorts, As the world turns, the rant goes on and the stomach turns. People are not destroying the planet.. maybe themselves individually and in collective groups.. but not the planet.. that's coming, but by design and not by human decree or PHD. Richard One sided propaganda, she was too busy beating the drum on human caused Well, it is difficult to ignore Dr. Brenda, PhD's credentials, and the fact that she is and has worked in the field of climate science. Furthermore Dr. Brenda said the mass majority of climate scientist *now* believe global warming is caused by humanity, and such evidence is overwhelming. There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU No doubt, but Dr. Brenda said nearly all climate scientists now agree with the recent overwhelming data that clearly indicates humanity is the cause of global warming. Humanity is destroying this planet, period!
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R.C.Macaulay wrote: Howdy Vorts, As the world turns, the rant goes on and the stomach turns. People are not destroying the planet.. maybe themselves individually and in collective groups.. but not the planet.. that's coming, but by design and not by human decree or PHD. Richard One sided propaganda, she was too busy beating the drum on human caused Well, it is difficult to ignore Dr. Brenda, PhD's credentials, and the fact that she is and has worked in the field of climate science. Furthermore Dr. Brenda said the mass majority of climate scientist *now* believe global warming is caused by humanity, and such evidence is overwhelming. There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU No doubt, but Dr. Brenda said nearly all climate scientists now agree with the recent overwhelming data that clearly indicates humanity is the cause of global warming. Humanity is destroying this planet, period! The planet has life; forests, ozone, etc. etc. Investigate and you should discover humanity is *literally* wiping out forests, causing ozone depression, air pollution, ocean chemical pollution, unnatural green house, etc. etc. All of which cause other problems-- an avalanche effect. I'm not a climate expert. In this case I'll trust the words of a leading PhD climate scientists than a few people at Vo, LOL. :-) Here's some up to date information for you. Last week Dr. Brenda, PhD. clearly said most climate scientists now agree with recent data that humanity is the major cause of global warming. Do you or anyone at Vo have a more recent statement from a leading PhD climate physicist that disagrees with the aforementioned statement? I doubt it, lol. The few disbelieving climate scientists left are probably just stubborn, a little slow, and perhaps wrote a book and therefore cannot stomach to admit such error. IMHO a person should be very cautious with claims in writing a public book. Once the claim is made public in such a book the scientist would rather cut off their arm than admit error. Such a pity when modern society is at stake, as this is a vitally important field. Fact still remains. Paul
Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU No doubt, but Dr. Brenda said nearly all climate scientists now agree with the recent overwhelming data that clearly indicates humanity is the cause of global warming. Humanity is destroying this planet, period! No Paul, it's not the case. The video makes the case much better than I can. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
- Original Message - From: Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based. There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU No doubt, but Dr. Brenda said nearly all climate scientists now agree with the recent overwhelming data that clearly indicates humanity is the cause of global warming. Well, since Vortexians seem to love a good logical fallacy argument this entire thread is developing into an appeal to authority that is so large Godzilla will have to come out of the sea of Japan to do battle with it. I've no idea who Dr. Brenda is exactly, nor do I particularly think the teachings of Richard Hoagland are going to solve much of our problems. I listen to Art Bell at times, I take almost nothing of it seriously. It is light-hearted entertainment, and I love spooky stuff late at night, real or not, it is all just as fun. Should we try to cut emissions of bad gases? Sure, why not, but not at the detriment of the basis of our society, that is, the working class. Maybe anyone in an environmentalist organization should be given a severe tax increase to support a changeover to something else, or to be used to buy those dandy carbon credits. Call is the practice what you preach tax. No more or less stupid than the how many congressmen does it take to change a lightbulb thing, or however that little gem of bovine waste product was worded. Does anyone here on Vortex want to actually work on stuff like this in the real world, like real world solar power, electric cars for the people (not fancy BS jobs that cost more than a Mercedes-Benz, but cheap stuff for the poorer among us), etc? Or is this becoming a list for the new televangelism? Believe me, if I could afford it, if it was available, I would use an electric car to go back and forth to work. (But I would keep the Buick for longer excursions.) Does anyone want to really discuss this stuff, and make it happen? Or at least try wholeheartedly? I'm game, I've been working on things quietly in the background for years. Vortex Electric Vehicle anyone? Humanity is destroying this planet, period! Our definitions of destroy must be very different. Altering, changing, yes. Destroy? In my book, that would entail overcoming the gravitational binding energy of the Earth, putting it in orbit around itself. Or, if you mean render uninhabitable, no we aren't doing that either. Life will be here long after we are gone, if we go.*** But, that said, if you want to do solar power, alternative fuels, etc., man I am right here with you. ***What is that...optimism?!? I suppose, the Sun is now shining and it isn't so cold here today, the long string of unseasonable cold caused by the increase temperature of the Earth, no doubt. :) --Kyle
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thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU No doubt, but Dr. Brenda said nearly all climate scientists now agree with the recent overwhelming data that clearly indicates humanity is the cause of global warming. Humanity is destroying this planet, period! No Paul, it's not the case. The video makes the case much better than I can. Check out the date when that material was filmed. I can give you up to date information. Last week, Dr. Brenda, PhD. said most climate physicists *now* agree with recent data that humanity is the cause of global warming. Can you show us a more recent statement that says otherwise? I don't think so. You are clinging to old information. Try taking a look at the air in most major cities. Take a look at China. I seriously doubt air is supposed to be brown, LOL. Amazon forest satellite images taken over time clearly reveal mass destruction. Are you aware of what recent computer simulations predict from all these man made changes? This conversation is meaningless until you can provide us with a more recent statement form a leading climate scientist who states most climate scientists disagree that humanity is the major cause of global warming. In this case it is illogical to go against the mass majority of climate physicists. One thing is for certain, Dr. Brenda is far qualified enough to know whether most climate scientists agree humanity is the major cause of global warming. Dr. Brenda works in this field with up date to information. She knows the up to date majority position in this field. Since I am not a climate expert, I'll take the side of the mass majority PhD climate scientists thank you very much. Paul
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Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: [snip Should we try to cut emissions of bad gases? Sure, why not, but not at the detriment of the basis of our society, that is, the working class. Maybe anyone in an environmentalist organization should be given a severe tax increase to support a changeover to something else, or to be used to buy those dandy carbon credits. Call is the practice what you preach tax. No more or less stupid than the how many congressmen does it take to change a lightbulb thing, or however that little gem of bovine waste product was worded. I agree more people should focus on this issue. When so many climate scientists now agree with recent* data that smog, etc. etc. etc are indeed causing appreciable damage then who should care that the Sun is having a bad cycle? I mean, we can't change the Sun, but the effects caused by modern society are real and undeniable. We should try to improve. It seems the major debate in this thread is what's the major cause of global warming-- humanity or the Sun. Really, who cares if humanity is 51% of the cause and the Sun is 49%, LOL. So what? We shouldn't care. Fact still remains that humanity is a big cause, period. Therefore I would agree with Kyle's post. Lets focus on how we can improve things. Lets try to encourage more minds focusing on this issue. Regards, Paul Lowrance
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One warped comment to add into the bogosity mix: People are not destroying the planet.. maybe themselves individually and in collective groups.. but not the planet.. I agree with this part of Richard's summation, but he may be viewing the situation in the context of a narrow religious prophecy. Understandable, yet This prophecy, and others from diverse traditions, may be both surprisingly accurate in terms of a coming disaster, yet at the same time - misleading ... horribly misleading if you are among the hopeful class of believers looking for rapture based solely on faith, and especially if it is a faith which accepts war under false pretenses, and wealth accumulation in the face of enforced poverty, as acceptable goals. As it turns out, ancient prophecy from many traditions can be reinterpreted into a modern context, which end-result may be more troubling to 'true believers' than some kind of Armageddon which favors only a chosen group. IOW there is a kind of 'end of days' scenario approaching, in the guise of an evolutionary jump, but it is extremely doubtful that the individuals who think they are in the chosen group really are - as the criteria will likely be a big surprise; and will have little to do with what most dogma indicates. The master plan is like a many-layered Russian egg - but it may unravel - as the secret could not be hidden from all. IF -- all the data about the human interaction with the planet were to be evaluated by a superior but non-human mentality, there is one conclusion, which every almost every human has missed, thus far. Indeed, ID is not a fiction, and yes there 'could be' evidence of goal-directed ongoing planning, especially in the rapid advances in the past two decades in computers, artificial intelligence, genetic engineering, networking and robotics there 'could be' evidence that the master plan involves a forced evolutionary change... and that the NWO will involve much more than a united world government. ... there 'could be' evidence that the master plan will involve an extreme forced reduction in human population and Matrix-like enslavement (instead of rapture) for the survivors. How would the reality of pre-planned global warming, and the efforts under way by some to abet and co-conspire - i.e. to force the alarmists to ignore the implications of that trend until it is too late to do anything to halt it - how would that possible scenario fit into the revised 'Russian egg' triple-cross prophecy? Without sounding too cynical, it is pretty clear than an evolutionary jump is much closer at hand than many of us chose to realize, and that the way is being paved for recipients of that technological largess to be chosen for the big-jump (i.e. a 'rebirth' not spiritual but physical, into an advanced race) based on criteria which is a total heresy and abomination to what is contained in scripture (until that dogma is drastically reinterpreted, which will happen). ... yet all the while, those who are in-the-know, are holding out some kind of false hope (a kind of facilitating promise) to the 'mass of believers' who will be triple-crossed, in the end. Curiously, even the present US administration is NOT in-the-know, and they are being duped by yet a higher order of ID. Harry Tuttle, who has been spying on the NWO for some time has told me privately that the Neo-Con thing was just a ruse. Yes, people like W are tools (in more ways than one) and are getting direct messages from ID - but the conent is bogusly decieving. Yup ... sorry to say it, W, but the trickster has been hard at work, once again, and it will be mostly the Limo-Liberals who will be positioned and selected for the new master race. Enjoy you rapturous stay in the NeoCon wing of the Matrix Kokopelli rules ;-)
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Indeed Paul, whether you and Dr Brenda and the IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/ are right is irrelevant. The real question is, can humanity remediate global warming, and how, we should be practical about this. Thomas suggested some drives as propulsion means for space parasols, but it seems to me that since the parasols will be submitted to photon pressure anyway, it would be great if they could be entirely sustented this way (solar sails). Indeed, whatever the mass and reflective area of the parasol, there must exist a spot on the Sun-Earth line where it will be in equilibrium between solar attraction, centrifugal force and photon pressure, comments/criticisms welcome on this. Michel - Original Message - From: Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based. Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: [snip Should we try to cut emissions of bad gases? Sure, why not, but not at the detriment of the basis of our society, that is, the working class. Maybe anyone in an environmentalist organization should be given a severe tax increase to support a changeover to something else, or to be used to buy those dandy carbon credits. Call is the practice what you preach tax. No more or less stupid than the how many congressmen does it take to change a lightbulb thing, or however that little gem of bovine waste product was worded. I agree more people should focus on this issue. When so many climate scientists now agree with recent* data that smog, etc. etc. etc are indeed causing appreciable damage then who should care that the Sun is having a bad cycle? I mean, we can't change the Sun, but the effects caused by modern society are real and undeniable. We should try to improve. It seems the major debate in this thread is what's the major cause of global warming-- humanity or the Sun. Really, who cares if humanity is 51% of the cause and the Sun is 49%, LOL. So what? We shouldn't care. Fact still remains that humanity is a big cause, period. Therefore I would agree with Kyle's post. Lets focus on how we can improve things. Lets try to encourage more minds focusing on this issue. Regards, Paul Lowrance
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I think we should aim all the fire-hoses on earth at the sun, then say ready! set! go! (The element of surprise is so important.). P. - Original Message From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:08:54 PM Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based. Indeed Paul, whether you and Dr Brenda and the IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/ are right is irrelevant. The real question is, can humanity remediate global warming, and how, we should be practical about this. Thomas suggested some drives as propulsion means for space parasols, but it seems to me that since the parasols will be submitted to photon pressure anyway, it would be great if they could be entirely sustented this way (solar sails). Indeed, whatever the mass and reflective area of the parasol, there must exist a spot on the Sun-Earth line where it will be in equilibrium between solar attraction, centrifugal force and photon pressure, comments/criticisms welcome on this. Michel - Original Message - From: Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based. Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: [snip Should we try to cut emissions of bad gases? Sure, why not, but not at the detriment of the basis of our society, that is, the working class. Maybe anyone in an environmentalist organization should be given a severe tax increase to support a changeover to something else, or to be used to buy those dandy carbon credits. Call is the practice what you preach tax. No more or less stupid than the how many congressmen does it take to change a lightbulb thing, or however that little gem of bovine waste product was worded. I agree more people should focus on this issue. When so many climate scientists now agree with recent* data that smog, etc. etc. etc are indeed causing appreciable damage then who should care that the Sun is having a bad cycle? I mean, we can't change the Sun, but the effects caused by modern society are real and undeniable. We should try to improve. It seems the major debate in this thread is what's the major cause of global warming-- humanity or the Sun. Really, who cares if humanity is 51% of the cause and the Sun is 49%, LOL. So what? We shouldn't care. Fact still remains that humanity is a big cause, period. Therefore I would agree with Kyle's post. Lets focus on how we can improve things. Lets try to encourage more minds focusing on this issue. Regards, Paul Lowrance
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I haven't read much in this thread, but in the end it doesn't matter if the polluting man is doing is the cause of Global Warming. Very few are questioning if Global Warming is happening, if it will be a problem. The issue of man's fault in causing it is just a blame game and unimportant, it doesn't change the fact that it's happening. The other undeniable issue is that man can fix it and has the response-ability to do so for our own good. The only issue that need be under discussion is how we should go about this. Oh, wait I just read the post before mine and it says the same thing, oh well... On 4/22/07, PHILIP WINESTONE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should aim all the fire-hoses on earth at the sun, then say ready! set! go! (The element of surprise is so important.). P. - Original Message From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:08:54 PM Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based. Indeed Paul, whether you and Dr Brenda and the IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/are right is irrelevant. The real question is, can humanity remediate global warming, and how, we should be practical about this. Thomas suggested some drives as propulsion means for space parasols, but it seems to me that since the parasols will be submitted to photon pressure anyway, it would be great if they could be entirely sustented this way (solar sails). Indeed, whatever the mass and reflective area of the parasol, there must exist a spot on the Sun-Earth line where it will be in equilibrium between solar attraction, centrifugal force and photon pressure, comments/criticisms welcome on this. Michel - Original Message - From: Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based. Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: [snip Should we try to cut emissions of bad gases? Sure, why not, but not at the detriment of the basis of our society, that is, the working class. Maybe anyone in an environmentalist organization should be given a severe tax increase to support a changeover to something else, or to be used to buy those dandy carbon credits. Call is the practice what you preach tax. No more or less stupid than the how many congressmen does it take to change a lightbulb thing, or however that little gem of bovine waste product was worded. I agree more people should focus on this issue. When so many climate scientists now agree with recent* data that smog, etc. etc. etc are indeed causing appreciable damage then who should care that the Sun is having a bad cycle? I mean, we can't change the Sun, but the effects caused by modern society are real and undeniable. We should try to improve. It seems the major debate in this thread is what's the major cause of global warming-- humanity or the Sun. Really, who cares if humanity is 51% of the cause and the Sun is 49%, LOL. So what? We shouldn't care. Fact still remains that humanity is a big cause, period. Therefore I would agree with Kyle's post. Lets focus on how we can improve things. Lets try to encourage more minds focusing on this issue. Regards, Paul Lowrance
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Paul Lowrance wrote: I'm surprised nobody at Vo picked up on climate scientist Brenda Ekwurzel, PhD. guest on Coast To Coast AM show last Saturday -- One sided propaganda, she was too busy beating the drum on human caused warming to talk about anything else. She ignored the issue of the Sun's increased irradiance. Also the observation that temperature increases, then atmospheric CO2 increases. Art Bell, true believer that he is, ate it all up. OTOH, C to C AM has Richard Hoagland as a guest. he makes the case that the increased irradiance and volcanic activity are both related to changes in something, the Aether perhaps? www.enterprisemission.com has quite a section on hyperdimensional physics. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
It seems to me that whatever the causes of GW, if we want a remedy we will have to take care of it. Jed mentioned orbiting parasols once, I then understood he was talking about Earth orbits so I thought the area would have to be impractically large, but he may have been thinking about Sun orbits which could lower area requirements dramatically. But then some propulsion means would be required to make up for the difference between solar gravity and centrifugal force at that distance and speed (the smaller the orbit, the smaller the natural orbiting period, so the parasol wouldn't stay naturally aligned with the sun). I am wondering if a flotilla of solar sails couldn't be made to orbit the sun at some point of the Sun-Earth line, with their mostly sun-oriented reflecting surface acting both as a propulsion means, and as a parasol. Does anybody know at which point of the Sun-Earth line a unit parasol area would be most efficient? Michel - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based. Paul Lowrance wrote: I'm surprised nobody at Vo picked up on climate scientist Brenda Ekwurzel, PhD. guest on Coast To Coast AM show last Saturday -- One sided propaganda, she was too busy beating the drum on human caused warming to talk about anything else. She ignored the issue of the Sun's increased irradiance. Also the observation that temperature increases, then atmospheric CO2 increases. Art Bell, true believer that he is, ate it all up. OTOH, C to C AM has Richard Hoagland as a guest. he makes the case that the increased irradiance and volcanic activity are both related to changes in something, the Aether perhaps? www.enterprisemission.com has quite a section on hyperdimensional physics. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
thomas malloy wrote: One sided propaganda, she was too busy beating the drum on human caused warming to talk about anything else. She ignored the issue of the Sun's increased irradiance. Actually I recall Dr. Brenda did indeed address this. Also the observation that temperature increases, then atmospheric CO2 increases. Art Bell, true believer that he is, ate it all up. Well, it is difficult to ignore Dr. Brenda, PhD's credentials, and the fact that she is and has worked in the field of climate science. Furthermore Dr. Brenda said the mass majority of climate scientist *now* believe global warming is caused by humanity, and such evidence is overwhelming. OTOH, C to C AM has Richard Hoagland as a guest. LOL, Richard Hoagland, the guy who went on live nationwide radio to claim the Mars surface photos reveled a landscape filled with man made tools? As I recall, on a later date Art Bell got a good chuckle out of that on radio by jokingly referring to Richards claim, which interestingly enough is when Richard began his Lets hate Art Bell campaign. Sorry my friend, in this case it's far more logical to side with a leading climate science researcher, Dr. Brenda Ekwurzel, PhD. over Richard Hoagland. Regards, Paul
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Michel Jullian wrote: It seems to me that whatever the causes of GW, if we want a remedy we will have to take care of it. Jed mentioned orbiting parasols once, I then understood he was talking about Earth orbits so I You could use either the Cook Drive or the E M Drive to hold the parasol in place. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
