[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
Thanks, Akira. This is the first time I have seen it mentioned that one of the causes for the split with AR was his selling the E-Cat in Canada in violation of the agreement with DGT. Maybe AR thought that Canada was a part of the US? Or maybe he gave Ampenergo rights to North America not realizing that would include Canada. Or, did AR intentionally violate the agreement?
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
This article at DGT says: we are not talking about nuclear energy but chemical energy derived from transmutation. That does not make a damn bit of sense. It is contradictory. Transmutation means changing from element to another. That is to say, changing the nucleus of the atom. When you change the nucleus you change the level of nuclear energy. You can't *not* do that. Any energy release is nuclear energy by definition. It reminds me of a ditty: Mother, mother, may I go for a swim? Yes, my darling daughter. Hang your clothes by the hickory bush, but don't go near the water! Chemical energy is what you get from changing electron bonds, It cannot affect the nucleus, which means it cannot directly trigger a transmutation. In cold fusion, chemical processes promote or trigger nuclear changes. That is analogous to the chemical explosives used to implode a plutonium core in a fission bomb. The chemical reaction produces a mechanical transformation which in turn triggers the nuclear reaction. I assume something similar is happening on a microscopic scale in cold fusion. - Jed
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This article at DGT says: we are not talking about nuclear energy but chemical energy derived from transmutation. That does not make a damn bit of sense. It is contradictory. I understand their reticence to use the phrase nuclear reaction. Do you recall Peter's article: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/08/defkalion-says-heni-is-more-proper-name.html I must agree that it is really not fusion and it is almost chemical. For a brief period of time, the polarized H atom in a high energy state looks like a neutron. It is a new kind of reaction and HENI is as good a name as any. Or maybe CANR or CANI. ;-)
Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
On 2012-12-04 10:26, Akira Shirakawa wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=4367 PDF version (containing a few photos) now available in the link above. Direct link: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=33 (you might need to be logged to the DGT forum) Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
At 09:50 AM 12/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: This article at DGT says: we are not talking about nuclear energy but chemical energy derived from transmutation. Yeah. Maybe it's a language problem. That does not make a damn bit of sense. It is contradictory. Transmutation means changing from element to another. That is to say, changing the nucleus of the atom. When you change the nucleus you change the level of nuclear energy. You can't not do that. Any energy release is nuclear energy by definition. It reminds me of a ditty: Mother, mother, may I go for a swim? Yes, my darling daughter. Hang your clothes by the hickory bush, but don't go near the water! Chemical energy is what you get from changing electron bonds, It cannot affect the nucleus, which means it cannot directly trigger a transmutation. In cold fusion, chemical processes promote or trigger nuclear changes. That is analogous to the chemical explosives used to implode a plutonium core in a fission bomb. The chemical reaction produces a mechanical transformation which in turn triggers the nuclear reaction. I assume something similar is happening on a microscopic scale in cold fusion. Bottom line, we do not know what transformation is behind NiH heat. With PdD, we have solid evidence that deuterium is being transmuted to helium, and practically nothing else. What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical, just an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze fusion, but it would probably be hot fusion in character, i.e., watch out for the neutrons.) What if it's simply some combination of prosaic artifact or fraud? (Some reports are certainly not fraud, but others are shakier, especially the high-heat claims, yet fraud has also not been proven with any of these claimants.) If it is judged that there is enough evidence for NiH anomalous heat, that could be a subject for replication efforts to be publicly funded. Right now, what experiments would be replicated? What experiments show enough evidence to warrant what might be expensive replication? The Rossi/DGT claims are secret, proprietary. Brillouin, though, is current engaged in a study at SRI, where SRI calorimetry will be used to measure what they are getting. This should be interesting! Ed Storms once told me that he was the only person to have made money from cold fusion. Given how much he has invested, I'm skeptical about that, overall, but he did make money from his book, and that was why he said it. (And he's been subsidized by private donors.) However, McKubre has been paid, if I'm correct, for *all* of his work. SRI was a paid consulting firm, working on cold fusion, originally for the Electric Power Research Institute, and later for other customers. That, indeed, may be part of why the SRI work has been so carefully and thoroughly done. (And also, as well, why it did not always continue to investigate what was found. Contracts ran out.) It had to be good work, McKubre's livelihood depended on it. McKubre, as a consultant, was paid to render results and opinions based on research, and the payments, I'm sure, did not depend on his being positive or negative. When you pay for advice, you want unbiased advice.
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical, just an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze fusion . . . Okay that's possible I suppose. We could test that hypothesis if Mills would tell us what the upper limits of energy release is per mole of hydrogen. Years ago I asked him and got some confusing responses. - Jed
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: PDF version (containing a few photos) now available in the link above. Direct link: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=33 Well, well. When I go to their site I see a page announcing a new web site coming soon. Did you save the .pdf? If you could send to me I can post on google docs. Or you could if you do that sort of thing. Thanks!
Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
On 2012-12-04 23:34, Terry Blanton wrote: Well, well. When I go to their site I see a page announcing a new web site coming soon. Did you save the .pdf? If you could send to me I can post on google docs. Or you could if you do that sort of thing. I expected that something like this would happen sooner or later, so I saved a copy as soon as I displayed the pdf in my web browser: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebiqjspd3qkiywo/20121102_Cold%20fusion%20-ENG.pdf?m Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
I saved the PDF as well... -mark -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English) On 2012-12-04 23:34, Terry Blanton wrote: Well, well. When I go to their site I see a page announcing a new web site coming soon. Did you save the .pdf? If you could send to me I can post on google docs. Or you could if you do that sort of thing. I expected that something like this would happen sooner or later, so I saved a copy as soon as I displayed the pdf in my web browser: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebiqjspd3qkiywo/20121102_Cold%20fusion%20-ENG.pdf?m Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
Regarding this statement in the PDF file foundon the DGT website as follows: “The third way was the one we found: to “make the mountain disappear for a very short time. We succeeded by disguising protons in neutrons via stimulation of nickel in Rydberg form. In this form the trajectory of the electron is elongated elliptically, so that at its perihelion the system appears as a neutron and not as “the mountain in-between. Thereafter, we cause fusion by applying magnetic fields and pressure. Defkalion Green Technologies states that their Hyperion LENR reactor cores contain ordinary H2 hydrogen gas, nickel powder, and proprietary materials and structures to aid in the reaction. Simple resistance heating elements are turned on to excite the hydrogen gas. The naturally occurring H2 atoms are further excited by bursts of electrical discharges via a spark plug-like device which breaks the H2 into H1 gas and transforms H1 atoms into Rydberg State Hydrogen(RSH) atoms, which have very large, often elliptical electron (cloud) orbits. The excited RSH hydrogen atoms are then squeezed into the nickel atom latticework. For a brief period of around 10 -13th second, each RSH proton is very close to its electron. Then the RSH nuclei is a masqueraded neutron. As a result, Coulomb forces between such nuclei are almost zero during this short time window. The resulting reaction releases gamma rays and light which are absorbed inside the reactor to produce heat. To the best of my understanding, the orbit of the lone electron in the excited Rydberg State Hydrogen(RSH) atom becomes circular as the angular momentum of that electron is increased by its increasing excitation. This orbital behavior of this lone excited hydrogen electron speaks against the hydrogen atom as a neutron like quasiparticle which is DGT claims to be that root cause of nickel hydrogen fusion. I believe that DGT does not yet understand in detail what is happening inside their reaction. Cheers:Axil On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical, just an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze fusion . . . Okay that's possible I suppose. We could test that hypothesis if Mills would tell us what the upper limits of energy release is per mole of hydrogen. Years ago I asked him and got some confusing responses. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)
That is the conclusion that I have drawn as well Axil. DGT apparently has decided that their reaction depends upon ionized hydrogen which is obtained by the spark gap. Why they then believe that the bare proton captures an electron to become a Rydberg atom that then reacts is difficult to understand. Even if it did enter an elongated ellipsoid pattern it is not possible to assign the location of the electron to an exact place near the proton for any finite period of time. Quantum theory does not suggest that the electron is actually in some time domain orbit, but exists in the position near the proton as a probability function. It would be easier for me to believe that the bare proton is accelerated by the positive gap voltage until it collides with some nickel powder. This behavior would resemble hot fusion if enough energy were to be imparted, but 30 thousand electron volts would appear inadequate. A strange thought occurred to me. What if the high speed raw proton induced an electron on the surface of the nickel powder to align directly into its path? The changing electric field arising from the proton would tend to focus tighter and tighter as it reaches the nickel surface. I am not sure of how quantum mechanics would treat such an aligned proton-electron pair, but perhaps there is a period of time during which they become extremely close due to mutual attraction. The momentum of the proton would ensure that the pair continued forward into the nickel matrix since the pair would act in the manner of a neutron. I can envision that the pair might collide with a nickel nucleus and fuse. From an external point of view this would very much appear like an electron capture event and the energy released by the fusion would be more than enough to supply that required for the process. If such a process were possible, it would be extremely easy to control since a source of high speed protons is required. DGT is generating these with the high voltage spark and the number released can be accurately controlled. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:13 pm Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English) Regarding this statement in the PDF file foundon the DGT website as follows: “The third way was the one we found: to “make the mountain disappear for a very short time. We succeeded by disguising protons in neutrons via stimulation of nickel in Rydberg form. In this form the trajectory of the electron is elongated elliptically, so that at its perihelion the system appears as a neutron and not as “the mountain in-between. Thereafter, we cause fusion by applying magnetic fields and pressure. Defkalion Green Technologies states that their Hyperion LENR reactor cores contain ordinary H2 hydrogen gas, nickel powder, and proprietary materials and structures to aid in the reaction. Simple resistance heating elements are turned on to excite the hydrogen gas. The naturally occurring H2 atoms are further excited by bursts of electrical discharges via a spark plug-like device which breaks the H2 into H1 gas and transforms H1 atoms into Rydberg State Hydrogen(RSH) atoms, which have very large, often elliptical electron (cloud) orbits. The excited RSH hydrogen atoms are then squeezed into the nickel atom latticework. For a brief period of around 10 -13th second, each RSH proton is very close to its electron. Then the RSH nuclei is a masqueraded neutron. As a result, Coulomb forces between such nuclei are almost zero during this short time window. The resulting reaction releases gamma rays and light which are absorbed inside the reactor to produce heat. To the best of my understanding, the orbit of the lone electron in the excited Rydberg State Hydrogen(RSH) atom becomes circular as the angular momentum of that electron is increased by its increasing excitation. This orbital behavior of this lone excited hydrogen electron speaks against the hydrogen atom as a neutron like quasiparticle which is DGT claims to be that root cause of nickel hydrogen fusion. I believe that DGT does not yet understand in detail what is happening inside their reaction. Cheers:Axil On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical, just an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze fusion . . . Okay that's possible I suppose. We could test that hypothesis if Mills would tell us what the upper limits of energy release is per mole of hydrogen. Years ago I asked him and got some confusing responses. - Jed
