RE: [Vo]:BLP makes yet another announcment
Parks is still standing in the way of progress. How can he be so arrogant and narrow minded, as if known physics is all the physics there is. If known physics can't deliver what the human race needs then we must look for something beyond. It's as simple as that. Jeff -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:33 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP makes yet another announcment BLP finally made the main line press: http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blacklight.fsb/index.htm Terry On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:41 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that the PR machine is running at high gear. These wire services are simply publishing the press release. You will probably see others since many publish all releases. What is interesting is that I haven't seen it replicated on any of the large services, eg Reuters. Two unique keywords, 'Randell' and 'Blacklight', return no results on the release. Terry No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.136 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1536 - Release Date: 7/5/2008 10:15 AM
Re: [Vo]:BLP makes yet another announcment
BLP finally made the main line press: http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blacklight.fsb/index.htm Terry On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:41 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that the PR machine is running at high gear. These wire services are simply publishing the press release. You will probably see others since many publish all releases. What is interesting is that I haven't seen it replicated on any of the large services, eg Reuters. Two unique keywords, 'Randell' and 'Blacklight', return no results on the release. Terry
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Howdy Terry, Interesting choice of words... mainline. The connotation and analogy to drugs can distract one and pose the question as if it is directed toward news media, BLP , or both. For sure, patrons at the Dime Box saloon wait with baited breath. well.. err.. I mean... Richard BLP finally made the main line press: http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blacklight.fsb/index.htm Terry
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On 5/7/2008 9:33 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: BLP finally made the main line press: http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blacklight.fsb/index.htm Terry quote: About 20 of the generators, which look like small copper water heaters turned on their sides, rest on lab benches inside the company's 55,000 square foot headquarters, once a Lockheed Martin facility. hmmm...I wonder if the fact they are turned on their sides is vital to the generator's performance or just a quirk of the design. Harry
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- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip hmmm...I wonder if the fact they are turned on their sides is vital to the generator's performance or just a quirk of the design. Neither. Orientation is not particularly important. Reporter's impression, that's all. Details in the BLP paper Commercialzatable..., Fig.2 Mike Carrell
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On 5/7/2008 12:56 PM, Mike Carrell wrote: - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip hmmm...I wonder if the fact they are turned on their sides is vital to the generator's performance or just a quirk of the design. Neither. Orientation is not particularly important. Reporter's impression, that's all. Details in the BLP paper Commercialzatable..., Fig.2 Mike Carrell I downloaded the paper _Commercializable Power Source from Forming New States of Hydrogen_ Figures 1 and 2 show the same horizontal orientation. Figure 3 seems to show it as well. Perhaps I missed it, but my quick reading of the paper does not reveal anything concerning the issue of orientation. Harry
Re: [Vo]:BLP makes yet another announcment
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Neither. Orientation is not particularly important. Reporter's impression, that's all. Details in the BLP paper Commercialzatable..., Fig.2 Mike Carrell I downloaded the paper _Commercializable Power Source from Forming New States of Hydrogen_ Figures 1 and 2 show the same horizontal orientation. Figure 3 seems to show it as well. Perhaps I missed it, but my quick reading of the paper does not reveal anything concerning the issue of orientation. Because it is not important. If you look at the pix on the website. you will recognize the calorimeters sitting around on benches. The paper is quite dense, like a bunch of lab notes, weak on narration. The reagents are packed into the cell in a glove box, sealed and placed in the calorimeter. Initially the chamber is evacuated to insulate the cell for a minimize power loss while it heated to activate the reagents. Once it fires, the heater power is turned off and the chamber is filled with helium to facilitate transfer of the heat to the external cooling coils, which circulate water. Nothing about this is sensitive to orientation. You may be confusing this with the fuss over the Fifth Force studies where critics were faulting the experiment because the apparatus was not designed to be turned upside down. In the present case, orientation does not matter. Mike Carrell Harry This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
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Hi All, 5-30-08 This news is exciting: Jack Smith Source: john_e_barchak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:30:56 Subject: BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today announced ... ``BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today announced the successful testing of a new energy source. BLP has developed a prototype power system generating on demand 50,000 watts of thermal power using its solid fuel in a batch process and has extensively characterized the hydrino products - Commercializable Power Source from Forming New States of Hydrogen.'' http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/WFC052708webS.pdf -- Mike Carrell wrote on 5-28-08: ``My take on BLP strategy. The publication of reports of experiments and theory lets all see the RD, especially the patent department, a full log of reduction to practice over many years. In the companion paper Commercializable...you will find the approach is somewhat different from the research effects. There will be a flood of imitators and BLP has to protect its investors with strong patents. I expect some royal battles to establish patent rights. The performance of the solid fuel is spectacular, at 50 kW and rising. Reconstituting the fuel requires only standard chemistry, but design of the automatic proces will be interesting. The process is scalable, so there will be automotive and possibly the proverbial household water heater. New design everywhere. It will take time to debug and optimize the applications. The press release implies engagement of major construction firms to built megawatt prototypes for utilities to replace oil, coal and gas. This is perhaps a fulfillment of promises made to some of the early investors, who were/are utilities. The world will change, mark this occasion. It is comparable to activation of the first fission nuclear reactor in Chicago.'' -- Jones Beene ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 5-28-08: ``Subject: BLP makes yet another announcment Take this with a grain of sodium chloride, as it is merely a first impression (for now), and comes from a Kibitzer who wants to be a Mills-advocate, but keeps bumping into those little obstacles called facts. But it is more than a bit curious - and I hope that this is not sounding too cynical - since this could be a major announcement from BLP, or not ... ... but it is worth mentioning that, among other things, Mills now (but never before) goes to great lengths in the preamble of this rather well-camouflaged expose' to shoehorn the elements chlorine and sodium into the mix as catalysts- all of which is following (just a bit too closely) the Roy Kanzius announcement. It is worth noting that rampant rumors have been circulating for about 5 weeks around two universities which are in proximity to Mills (in PA) of actual OU being found in that salt-water experiment! Plus - where is the reactor in question? Where is the data about its operation? I thought this paper was supposed to be substantive about that, instead of thinly camouflaged back-tracking (to take credit for something outside the previous range of what is a hydrino)? (i.e. the disappointment is found in lack of details but is not obvious, as there is much (too much) superfluous detail in the text, but little data-wise wrt the main supposed-subject: the reactor itself: where's the beef?)... CAVEAT: this Roy-Kanzius thing is now in the hands of major players, with resources and reputations greater than Mills - and was NOT ever announced as over-unity, and will not be, until or unless there is absolute certainty; so it is just high-level rumor thus far. That episode could be unrelated to this new announcement - or not- and is mentioned here with the caveat (and not on the HSG forum) only in the context of the surprise finding by Mills that the very same elements, which are active in Kanzius' work under RF irradiation, are now turning out to be hydrino catalysts. Surprise, surprise. Kinda reminds one of the haste in which PF made their premature announcement in 1989. Excuse me! but is not this the very FIRST TIME in the past two decades of plodding hydrino-tech that sodium and chlorine have been mentioned as catalysts ? They certainly do not fit into the original formula very well - PLUS give me a break - the way the two are shoehorned in - there is little doubt that every element in the periodic table could now be included as catalysts by manipulating the numbers this way. And coming on the heels of the Roy/Kanzium experiment, well- red flags should be going up left and right and not just among Mills' critics... I hope that I am wrong on this, as I do admit that R. Mills is a very accomplished, genius-level inventor; therefore, I will now step=off my soap-box and let one of Mills apologists come along with the obligatory: Mills is the new messiah spiel - and he can do no wrong so obviously his critics have not done their homework LOL - and studied every word of the Book his CQM gospel, every implication of
Re: [Vo]:BLP makes yet another announcment
My automated Google news searches on Blacklight Power recently brought up the following links: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/May2008/28/c5210.html http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=228495 It would seem that the PR machine is running at high gear. I bet more announcements will follow soon. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:41 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that the PR machine is running at high gear. These wire services are simply publishing the press release. You will probably see others since many publish all releases. What is interesting is that I haven't seen it replicated on any of the large services, eg Reuters. Two unique keywords, 'Randell' and 'Blacklight', return no results on the release. Terry
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- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Question from a member of the peanut gallery (who has not read the book so you can just blow me off on this on the grounds that I haven't done my homework): Does reconstituting the fuel imply reflating the hydrinos? And in that case, does it require putting back the energy you got out to start with? Alternatively, does the process generate barrels of hydrinos as ash? I've felt confused about this point ever since I first read about hydrogen deflation catalysis as an energy source. All questions are legitimate, this is new and heady stuff. The short answer is that there is a reaction chamber in which the solid fuel is activated, heat released, etc. There is another chamber where standard chemical reactions recreate the solid fuel, using 'new' hydrogen and reusing the 'catalyst' parts. Published evidence suggests that these reactions have been done in batch mode using the usual chemistry lab ware. The next step forward is standard chemical engineering, automating the process so the reactor is 'stoked' continuously. For this task, BLP will probably turn to architectural and engineering firms who can do the necessary engineeing on an industrial and global scale. The exotic chemistry is only in the activation of the solid fuel and the following BLP reactions. The BLP reactions can have several outcomes. There can be gaseous hydrino molecules, smaller that H2, not reactive, easily permeating many containers, and escaping to the stratosphere like ordinary H2. There can be hydrino hydrides which can enter into a chemical compounds, creating whole new classes of chemicals. Berfore chemists can invest in new products, there has to be tons of hydrino ash as a source. Thus there will be compelling reasons for power reactors to produce hydrino hydride 'ash' for collection and sale to new chemical industries. How's that for a win-win situation? One attractive possibility is a hyper battery with a high terminal volage and unprecedented energy storage capacity. Hydrinos can catalyze other hydrinos. Energy must be conserved, so one hydrino will to a lower state, the other to an upper state, with a release of UV and kinetic energy. Development of these pathways will keep lots of people busy for a long time. The world is on a new path, with a bright future. Enjoy the show. Mike Carrell
Re: [Vo]:BLP makes yet another announcment
Take this with a grain of sodium chloride, as it is merely a first impression (for now), and comes from a Kibitzer who wants to be a Mills-advocate, but keeps bumping into those little obstacles called facts. But it is more than a bit curious - and I hope that this is not sounding too cynical - since this could be a major announcement from BLP, or not ... ... but it is worth mentioning that, among other things, Mills now (but never before) goes to great lengths in the preamble of this rather well-camouflaged expose' to shoehorn the elements chlorine and sodium into the mix as catalysts- all of which is following (just a bit too closely) the Roy Kanzius announcement. It is worth noting that rampant rumors have been circulating for about 5 weeks around two universities which are in proximity to Mills (in PA) of actual OU being found in that salt-water experiment! Plus - where is the reactor in question? Where is the data about its operation? I thought this paper was supposed to be substantive about that, instead of thinly camouflaged back-tracking (to take credit for something outside the previous range of what is a hydrino)? (i.e. the disappointment is found in lack of details but is not obvious, as there is much (too much) superfluous detail in the text, but little data-wise wrt the main supposed-subject: the reactor itself: where's the beef?)... CAVEAT: this Roy-Kanzius thing is now in the hands of major players, with resources and reputations greater than Mills - and was NOT ever announced as over-unity, and will not be, until or unless there is absolute certainty; so it is just high-level rumor thus far. That episode could be unrelated to this new announcement - or not- and is mentioned here with the caveat (and not on the HSG forum) only in the context of the surprise finding by Mills that the very same elements, which are active in Kanzius' work under RF irradiation, are now turning out to be hydrino catalysts. Surprise, surprise. Kinda reminds one of the haste in which PF made their premature announcement in 1989. Excuse me! but is not this the very FIRST TIME in the past two decades of plodding hydrino-tech that sodium and chlorine have been mentioned as catalysts ? They certainly do not fit into the original formula very well - PLUS give me a break - the way the two are shoehorned in - there is little doubt that every element in the periodic table could now be included as catalysts by manipulating the numbers this way. And coming on the heels of the Roy/Kanzium experiment, well- red flags should be going up left and right and not just among Mills' critics... I hope that I am wrong on this, as I do admit that R. Mills is a very accomplished, genius-level inventor; therefore, I will now step=off my soap-box and let one of Mills apologists come along with the obligatory: Mills is the new messiah spiel - and he can do no wrong so obviously his critics have not done their homework LOL - and studied every word of the Book his CQM gospel, every implication of which is true, even if he failed to get it right the first time ... Saltily yours, G Jones --- OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those interested, it would appear that Blacklight Power has announced another milestone in its never ending quest to legitimize the controversial BLP process. The ever unflappable J. Barchak posted the following at the HSG forum: --- BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today announced the successful testing of a new energy source. BLP has developed a prototype power system generating on demand 50,000 watts of thermal power using its solid fuel in a batch process and has extensively characterized the hydrino products - Commercializable Power Source from Forming New States of Hydrogen. http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/WFC052708webS.pdf BlackLight Power, Inc. has directly recorded the formation of hydrinos, hydrogen atoms in lower energy states, measured the extraordinarily energetic process, and isolated and characterized molecular hydrinos proving a new field of hydrogen chemistry and a powerful, clean, new energy source - Spectroscopic Observation of Helium-Ion and Hydrogen- Catalyzed Hydrino Transitions. http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Continuum052708webS.pdf --- Can cheap K-Mart BLP heaters be far behind? As they say, stay tuned. Same bat time, same bat channel. --- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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--- OrionWorks wrote: For those interested, it would appear that Blacklight Power has announced another milestone in its never ending quest to legitimize ... Steven - not that anyone needs it, but here is one more reason to harbor some doubts and suspicions about the timing, if not the reality of this milestone announcement from BLP about their new reactor... This is not to say that it isn't legitimate, or anything like that ... ... and - being that you are a visual artist with computer programming skills, you may appreciated this bit of overlooked detail. Drag the jpeg image which accompanies the announcement of the new reactor: http://www.blacklightpower.com/applications.shtml#Power ... to your desktop (oops somebody forgot to lock it) and then hold the cursor over it, so that XP can read the Kodak info file and time stamp; now look at the exact date when the photograph was snapped G LOL - new reactor? old prop? or artistic license? Any bets on how long it will take before the BLP webmaster has the image locked, or instead someone modifies the info file to show that the photo of the new reactor was snapped over three years ago?
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Jones sez: ... Drag the jpeg image which accompanies the announcement of the new reactor: http://www.blacklightpower.com/applications.shtml#Power done ... to your desktop (oops somebody forgot to lock it) and then hold the cursor over it, so that XP can read the Kodak info file and time stamp; now look at the exact date when the photograph was snapped G LOL - new reactor? old prop? or artistic license? If memory serves me correctly these images have been out on the BLP web site for some time. Anyone who has occasionally browsed the BLP web site would have seen them. They all appear to be dated around March 26, 2005. Any bets on how long it will take before the BLP webmaster has the image locked, or instead someone modifies the info file to show that the photo of the new reactor was snapped over three years ago? FWIW Personal Opinion follows: To be honest, I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Personally, I bet it will be a long time before the BLP webmaster locks the images. Who cares. I think you may be reading too much into the age of these obvious stock photos. ;-) I would speculate that the real evidence and accompanying photos remain carefully concealed due to proprietary issues, assuming there really is something going on over at the BLP labs. In the meantime, Dr. Mills probably authorized that they just throw something up that looks official. We remain clueless spectators in the game of corporate intrigue. Alas, it's our lot in life. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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--- OrionWorks wrote: If memory serves me correctly these images have been out on the BLP web site for some time. Anyone who has occasionally browsed the BLP web site would have seen them. For all (or most) of the other images on that site, I agree- they have not changed in a long time. However, I do not remember the image purporting to be the new reactor being there until the last major update which was about a month ago ... but since it is obviously NOT the new reactor, then it is clear that they do not care very much whether the general public believes that they really have a new reactor - or not. Fair enough... not really sure why they even maintain an elaborate site anyway. Since they are apparently not planning an IPO nor promoting stock investment from the public, they need only satisfy the due diligence demands of their wealthy investors. No problem for me. Jones Except that a few of us on the extreme end of anti-oil sentiment - might put off buying a new vehicle, for instance, if we were to be convinced that BLP, or anyone else, had a breakthrough alternative power source that was just a few years away.
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--- Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Actually Sodium is in the original list of catalysts Right! but it is not the same beast as now. I finally found it my old and original version of CQM (which I actually had to pay for!) but with a complex 3 level IP reckoning of 218 eV, it is not a realistic catalyst, as you state, and the rationale is/was completely different from the new and improved version. BTW I have no problem with new and improved at least until the author tries to make it retroactive ;-) As we discussed (privately) the chlorine issue is more problematic for Mills, but your solution is actually preferable (that is: if one is not seeking some kind of retroactive patent coverage for the Kanzius discovery). Jones
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Jones sez: ... Fair enough... not really sure why they even maintain an elaborate site anyway. Since they are apparently not planning an IPO nor promoting stock investment from the public, they need only satisfy the due diligence demands of their wealthy investors. No problem for me. I think you hit it on the jackpot. It would appear that BLP really doesn't care what Joe Public thinks. They only care what their wealthy investors think, and I suspect they have all signed NDAs and are in the know. If we only had a mole! ... Except that a few of us on the extreme end of anti-oil sentiment - might put off buying a new vehicle, for instance, if we were to be convinced that BLP, or anyone else, had a breakthrough alternative power source that was just a few years away. Additional FWIW Personal Opinions: Making a BIG assumption that BLP really is on to something big I suspect it will be MANY MANY years before BLP technology trickles down to the little folk like us. This personal assumption is based on my respect for Mike Carrell's experience about how long it really takes to propagate a significant breakthrough into the public sector. Grasshopper is still learning the art of patience. So, for now go buy that plug-in Prius! Ya can't go wrong! ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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My take on BLP strategy. The publication of reports of experiments and theory lets all see the RD, especially the patent department, a full log of reduction to practice over many years. In the companion paper Commercializable...you will find the approach is somewhat different from the research effects. There will be a flood of imitators and BLP has to protect its investors with strong patents. I expect some royal battles to establish patent rights. The performance of the solid fuel is spectacular, at 50 kW and rising. Reconstituting the fuel requires only standard chemistry, but design of the automatic proces will be interesting. The process is scalable, so there will be automotive and possibly the proverbial household water heater. New design everywhere. It will take time to debug and optimize the applications. The press release implies engagement of major construction firms to built megawatt prototypes for utilities to replace oil, coal and gas. This is perhaps a fulfillment of promises made to some of the early investors, who were/are utilities. The world will change, mark this occasion. It is comparable to activation of the first fission nuclear reactor in Chicago. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jones sez: ... Fair enough... not really sure why they even maintain an elaborate site anyway. Since they are apparently not planning an IPO nor promoting stock investment from the public, they need only satisfy the due diligence demands of their wealthy investors. No problem for me. I think you hit it on the jackpot. It would appear that BLP really doesn't care what Joe Public thinks. They only care what their wealthy investors think, and I suspect they have all signed NDAs and are in the know. If we only had a mole! ... Except that a few of us on the extreme end of anti-oil sentiment - might put off buying a new vehicle, for instance, if we were to be convinced that BLP, or anyone else, had a breakthrough alternative power source that was just a few years away. Additional FWIW Personal Opinions: Making a BIG assumption that BLP really is on to something big I suspect it will be MANY MANY years before BLP technology trickles down to the little folk like us. This personal assumption is based on my respect for Mike Carrell's experience about how long it really takes to propagate a significant breakthrough into the public sector. Grasshopper is still learning the art of patience. So, for now go buy that plug-in Prius! Ya can't go wrong! ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
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Mike Carrell wrote: My take on BLP strategy. The publication of reports of experiments and theory lets all see the RD, especially the patent department, a full log of reduction to practice over many years. In the companion paper Commercializable...you will find the approach is somewhat different from the research effects. There will be a flood of imitators and BLP has to protect its investors with strong patents. I expect some royal battles to establish patent rights. The performance of the solid fuel is spectacular, at 50 kW and rising. Reconstituting the fuel requires only standard chemistry, but design of the automatic proces will be interesting. Question from a member of the peanut gallery (who has not read the book so you can just blow me off on this on the grounds that I haven't done my homework): Does reconstituting the fuel imply reflating the hydrinos? And in that case, does it require putting back the energy you got out to start with? Alternatively, does the process generate barrels of hydrinos as ash? I've felt confused about this point ever since I first read about hydrogen deflation catalysis as an energy source.
