Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.comwrote: The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one megawatt cold fusion planet will probably be at least 1/1000 times less than one powered by coal or natural gas. At $5/W, clean coal's levelized capital cost plus the process costs to clean up the effluent and sequester the CO2, exceeds its fuel cost.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.comwrote: The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one megawatt cold fusion planet will probably be at least 1/1000 times less than one powered by coal or natural gas. At $5/W, clean coal's levelized capital cost plus the process costs to clean up the effluent and sequester the CO2, exceeds its fuel cost. Actually, this applies to conventional coal as well, although that is increasingly irrelevant given that conventional coal plants aren't being built anymore except in Asia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#US_Department_of_Energy_estimates
RE: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam
So, Rossi is claiming series E-Cats again? What is the sense of this? The purpose of the coolant is to transfer heat away from the core. A continuous flow through four series E-Cats will remove different amounts of heat from each series Cat. The increasing input temperature of each Cat will result in a smaller temperature differential between core and coolant, and less heat transfer. It's a control nightmare. On the other hand, four parallel E-Cats can have their individual flow rates decreased to approach the required 450C. For increased steam quantity, just add more legs. Can the Vort collective come up with any logic for his series claims? Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:07:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam From: jabow...@gmail.com To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote: The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one megawatt cold fusion planet will probably be at least 1/1000 times less than one powered by coal or natural gas. At $5/W, clean coal's levelized capital cost plus the process costs to clean up the effluent and sequester the CO2, exceeds its fuel cost. Actually, this applies to conventional coal as well, although that is increasingly irrelevant given that conventional coal plants aren't being built anymore except in Asia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#US_Department_of_Energy_estimates
Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam
The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is he wants to keep the power output of each core the same by running each at a different temperature. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: So, Rossi is claiming series E-Cats again? What is the sense of this? The purpose of the coolant is to transfer heat away from the core. A continuous flow through four series E-Cats will remove different amounts of heat from each series Cat. The increasing input temperature of each Cat will result in a smaller temperature differential between core and coolant, and less heat transfer. It's a control nightmare. On the other hand, four parallel E-Cats can have their individual flow rates decreased to approach the required 450C. For increased steam quantity, just add more legs. Can the Vort collective come up with any logic for his series claims? -- Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:07:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam From: jabow...@gmail.com To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.comwrote: The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one megawatt cold fusion planet will probably be at least 1/1000 times less than one powered by coal or natural gas. At $5/W, clean coal's levelized capital cost plus the process costs to clean up the effluent and sequester the CO2, exceeds its fuel cost. Actually, this applies to conventional coal as well, although that is increasingly irrelevant given that conventional coal plants aren't being built anymore except in Asia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#US_Department_of_Energy_estimates
Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam
I think this is very good news. If he can create electricity even moderately efficiently, this technology is going to change the world -- BIG TIME! The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one megawatt cold fusion planet will probably be at least 1/1000 times less than one powered by coal or natural gas. From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam Very interesting news: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=35#comment-130799 Andrea Rossi: Actually, we have found a breakthrough with a primary fluid with which the reactors remain stable when we make steam at 450 Celsius. Italo A. Albanese: Did you get 450 Celsius from just one e-cat or from many of them connected in series? Andrea Rossi: 4 in series I feel this implies Rossi is: 1) using a primary fluid to achieve over 450 deg C by connection 4 E-Cats in series and then feeding the heated primary fluid (diathermic oil?) into a steam generator similar but smaller to those used in Nuclear reactors. 2) saying the 4 series connected E-Cats themselves created steam at 450 deg C and the primary fluid statement applies to a fluid that surrounds the 3 internal reactors (which in the past was assumed to be molten lead). AG
Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam
Difficult to guess what's the PRIMARY FLUID. It cannot be organic, perhaps molten salts or molten metal. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Very interesting news: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-** physics.com/?p=510cpage=35#**comment-130799http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=35#comment-130799 Andrea Rossi: Actually, we have found a breakthrough with a primary fluid with which the reactors remain stable when we make steam at 450 Celsius. Italo A. Albanese: Did you get 450 Celsius from just one e-cat or from many of them connected in series? Andrea Rossi: 4 in series I feel this implies Rossi is: 1) using a primary fluid to achieve over 450 deg C by connection 4 E-Cats in series and then feeding the heated primary fluid (diathermic oil?) into a steam generator similar but smaller to those used in Nuclear reactors. 2) saying the 4 series connected E-Cats themselves created steam at 450 deg C and the primary fluid statement applies to a fluid that surrounds the 3 internal reactors (which in the past was assumed to be molten lead). AG -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
