RE: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novelformofLENR?
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Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novelformofLENR?
You are right about the testing, particularly the state of the steam that is generated and we hope that should be rectified soon. There are a couple of indications that strongly suggest that the steam is pretty dry. If you look at stills from the slow motion system, when the steam initially emerges it is totally transparent. You can see that is is there because it refracts the light passing through it so that objects in the background are shifted quite considerably. A couple of frames later and it has condensed out into the visible cloud. Also, the steam can only exit the cavitation chamber through the pressure relief valve when the pressure exceeds 10MPa. From steam tables this means that it must be at a temperature of more than 300C. However, this is too indirect an indication, and as I said we hope to rectify this soon. Nigel On 28/09/2017 15:37, JonesBeene wrote: Having talked to another visitor to the facility, it would seem that the main problem with the technology using pure water is in measurement- and curiously it is almost the same as Rossi’s early errors -wet steam. They definitely can produce lots of wet steam and generally they have assumed that all of the water going through the injector is being converted into dry steam - when in fact only a fraction is dry steam and the rest is hot water vapor. This could be why you see no independent testing. The salt water system is more impressive but again, no good data. The salt-water gain seems impressive visually. I believe it is a true energy anomaly, but getting rid of the salt after the reaction is over- probably means that the system cannot be used in a piston engine (using salt water as a fuel). This is due to corrosion and accumulation on piston rings -- but there could be a solution. Same problem with the injectors – a month of slat water and what do you have?
RE: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novelformofLENR?
Thank you for trying to bring the thread back on topic. I had not heard of the pistol shrimp until I watched the video Nigel JonesBeene wrote: Not sure if the video was mentioned earlier https://youtu.be/VUH5WuUmJ2k?t=158 The pistol shrimp are popular in Florida and Texas Having talked to another visitor to the facility, it would seem that the main problem with the technology using pure water is in measurement- and curiously it is almost the same as Rossi’s early errors -wet steam. They definitely can produce lots of wet steam and generally they have assumed that all of the water going through the injector is being converted into dry steam - when in fact only a fraction is dry steam and the rest is hot water vapor. This could be why you see no independent testing. The salt water system is more impressive but again, no good data. The salt-water gain seems impressive visually. I believe it is a true energy anomaly, but getting rid of the salt after the reaction is over- probably means that the system cannot be used in a piston engine (using salt water as a fuel). This is due to corrosion and accumulation on piston rings -- but there could be a solution. Same problem with the injectors – a month of slat water and what do you have? Thus, their emphasis on desalinization. Of all the uses, this could be the best. Yet they have been talking about desal for years but do not present reliable data on the energy balance. This makes one suspicious that the system is not yet competitive with other methods due to electrical use. Nevertheless, desal could be the future if combined with energy extraction. In short, this is most interesting due to cavitation - and far closer to being useful than anything currently happening in LENR, but the two are not related IMHO. The apparent gain with salt ions and cavitation needs a closer look. I could see the injectors being used with a Pelton wheel for instance, which is one device which can and has been made salt tolerant. As for “dense hydrogen” they could validate the “hydrino” route that Robin suggested by trying potassium carbonate as the ion source - as it should work better than NaCl (under Mills theory). That would be very easy to do – compare potassium and sodium.
