RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi says he has a European CE mark
The melting point of nickel , 1453°C, would only occur very locally as a result of IRH migrating between acute nano geometry and undergoing whatever reaction theory you happen to endorse. It won't happen without the geometry and if that much heat occurs the geometry will become plastic and grow closed to negate the stiction forces. I think this is why Naudin had so much difficulty with the MAHG and why other researchers have such difficulty replicating even their own experiments... because once these enabling geometries overheat they destroy themselves and the powders or skeletal catalysts have to be reactivated to become functional again. I think the explosion danger could be mitigated by using a minimal amount of hydrogen circulated rapidly through the reactor in a closed loop. The Haisch Moddel patent has certain advantages in this respect and the fact that the Rossi powder is on a larger micron scale than the nano scale promoted by other researchers makes it a good candidate to adopt this method. IMHO the circulation pump would act as an additional throttle / accelerator on the anomally. Regards Fran From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi says he has a European CE mark Andrea Rossi said to reporters: We do not use radioactive materials, do not leave radioactive material and the highes temperature we can reach is the melting point of nickel : once the nickel melts, the E-Cat stops and this fact makes it intrinsecally safe. In two follow-up questions, reporters asked: What he meant by leaving radioactive material. Earlier he claimed that radioactivity is detected during the event. It was pointed out that radioactive materials cannot simply vanish once they have been created. Also it was pointed out that the melting point of nickel is 1453°C, and that if the device reaches this temperature before the reaction stops this could easily cause a serious explosion. This temperature seems too high to be considered intrinsically safe. Rossi responded: meep meep! and ran away at high speed, vanishing in cloud of dust. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi says he has a European CE mark
On 11-10-25 10:40 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Andrea Rossi said to reporters: We do not use radioactive materials, do not leave radioactive material and the highes temperature we can reach is the melting point of nickel : once the nickel melts, the E-Cat stops and this fact makes it intrinsecally safe. In two follow-up questions, reporters asked: What he meant by leaving radioactive material. Earlier he claimed that radioactivity is detected during the event. It was pointed out that radioactive materials cannot simply vanish once they have been created. And the lead shielding, assuming it exists and assuming it really is necessary, indicates that there's some sort of hard radiation coming out (or trying to). When anything you're likely to need lead shielding for results from nuclear processes, there's generally at least *some* amount of radioactive byproduct left behind (some as in more than none). Of course, the measured isotope non-shift suggests that there may indeed be nothing nuclear taking place, which would make obtaining safety certificates of all sorts far easier. Also it was pointed out that the melting point of nickel is 1453°C, and that if the device reaches this temperature before the reaction stops this could easily cause a serious explosion. This temperature seems too high to be considered intrinsically safe. Rossi responded: meep meep! and ran away at high speed, vanishing in cloud of dust. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi says he has a European CE mark
Andrea Rossi October 25th, 2011 at 3:58 AM Dear R. Breathnach: We do not use radioactive materials, do not leave radioactive material and the highes temperature we can reach is the melting point of nickel : once the nickel melts, the E-Cat stops and this fact makes it intrinsecally safe. Warm Regards, A.R. On 10/24/11, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: The “CE mark” is essentially a self-certification. The problem is that there isn’t a regulation inside the “CE mark” rules for nuclear reactors. Because this is a job for the national nuclear agency. It’s like searching the “CE Mark” for nuclear bombs. From: Peter Gluck Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:52 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark How can you obtain a CE certification for a product just assembled, not tested thoroughly, based on an unknown reaction, not characterized- singular? Bureaucracy has its raison d'etre. Peter On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, is so, it is well hidden. I went here: http://www.cedirectory.com/content/ce-products.php and opened a free buyer's account and have been searching products and company names all morning. I can find no indication that his product has a CE certification. Yes, I searched his wife's company EFA srl. Does anyone know if that is the actual legal name? T On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: From Rossi's blog using Google translate: Dear Mr. Rossi, (Has the) E-Cat 'already' been certified by obtaining the CE mark for marketing in Europe? Darius Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 AM Dear Dario: The CE for the business to business has been done. For household applications not yet. Warm Regards, A.R. A CE mark resembles a UL mark in the U.S. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi says he has a European CE mark
Andrea Rossi said to reporters: We do not use radioactive materials, do not leave radioactive material and the highes temperature we can reach is the melting point of nickel : once the nickel melts, the E-Cat stops and this fact makes it intrinsecally safe. In two follow-up questions, reporters asked: What he meant by leaving radioactive material. Earlier he claimed that radioactivity is detected during the event. It was pointed out that radioactive materials cannot simply vanish once they have been created. Also it was pointed out that the melting point of nickel is 1453°C, and that if the device reaches this temperature before the reaction stops this could easily cause a serious explosion. This temperature seems too high to be considered intrinsically safe. Rossi responded: meep meep! and ran away at high speed, vanishing in cloud of dust. - Jed
