Re: [Vo]:Two Wrongs, continued

2009-06-14 Thread mixent
In reply to  Mike Carrell's message of Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:04:59 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
While the organisms may live in sea water, sea water is rich with nutrients 
which will have to be supplied, and such is part of whole which needs 
consideration. 
[snip]
The trick is to nourish them with real sea water, which any country with a
coastline has in abundance. As an added bonus, no scarce fresh water is used.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html



Re: [Vo]:Two Wrongs, continued

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Zell
I'm well aware of blacklight power and I unreservedly salute Mills and others 
for their brave fight against prejudiced academic opponents.  It's the sort of 
technology that could save our civilization and change political dynamics for 
the better.
 
That said, there are still hurdles.  Can a blacklight unit be made small enough 
to power a car or are we still talking about needing a really good battery?!  
Cheap electricity is good but not enough by itself. 
 
There is also the fact that entrenched interests may stall or try to stop any 
technology that ends the profitable dependence of consumers.  It may be a 
longer battle than any of us would like, even if a breakthrough emerges..  Cold 
Fusion?  Maybe you're really a terrorist trying to make fissionable materials.  
Do you have chemicals in your house/lab?  Maybe you're really setting up a drug 
lab.  Maybe you'll have a heart attack just before a critical moment.  Maybe 
you'll die in an 'unrelated' murder that authorities will never pin down. Maybe 
the SEC needs to investigate your finances.  
 
 
I would point out that when Ralph Nader exposed the Corvair, GM's reaction was 
not to fix the car but rather to hire investigators to get something on him.  
This is the same mindset that transported EV-1 cars out to the desert to have 
them crushed far away from protestors. It is not paranoia to anticipate subtle 
opposition from moneyed interests.
 
Long live Randall Mills!
 
..


  

Re: [Vo]:Two Wrongs, continued

2009-06-14 Thread Mike Carrell

Chris wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Zell

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Two Wrongs, continued


I'm well aware of blacklight power and I unreservedly salute Mills and 
others for their brave fight against prejudiced academic opponents.  It's 
the sort of technology that could save our civilization and change political 
dynamics for the better.


MC: Good, I was not aware of that

That said, there are still hurdles.  Can a blacklight unit be made small 
enough to power a car or are we still talking about needing a really good 
battery?!  Cheap electricity is good but not enough by itself.


MC: Yes, there are many hurdles. Someday, a BLP car may run on water. The 
engineering task is monumental, and I doubt it will be done for a decade or 
two. BLP has proposed a BLP hydrogen generator module for service stations 
to serve present IC engines converted for hydrogen use. This coserves the 
invesement in the present fleet while another technology is phased in. BLP's 
present business objective is electric utilities. Retrofitting with BLP 
boilers will eliminate carbon emission [including secondary emission from 
plug-in hybrids and first generation electric cars]. With many BLP power 
plants, there will be hydrino byproduct for new chemistry, including a 
hyper-battery. Depending on the population of hydrinos harvested from 
utilities, the *cell* potential my be in the tens of volts and the energy 
capacity in kilowatt-hours, enough for distance driving. All this is a 
gigatic enerprise and BLP has to have everything right for it to work.


There is also the fact that entrenched interests may stall or try to stop 
any technology that ends the profitable dependence of consumers.  It may be 
a longer battle than any of us would like, even if a breakthrough emerges. 
Cold Fusion?  Maybe you're really a terrorist trying to make fissionable 
materials.  Do you have chemicals in your house/lab?  Maybe you're really 
setting up a drug lab.  Maybe you'll have a heart attack just before a 
critical moment.  Maybe you'll die in an 'unrelated' murder that authorities 
will never pin down. Maybe the SEC needs to investigate your finances.


MC: I anticipate a firestorm of criticism to erupt at some point. Chris has 
just touched on the possibilities.


I would point out that when Ralph Nader exposed the Corvair, GM's reaction 
was not to fix the car but rather to hire investigators to get something on 
him.  This is the same mindset that transported EV-1 cars out to the desert 
to have them crushed far away from protestors. It is not paranoia to 
anticipate subtle opposition from moneyed interests.


Long live Randall Mills! [it's Randell Mills]
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Notes on algae farming. OK coastlines are fine and a few hundred square 
miles are a 'drop in the ocean' [sorry, I couldn't help myself]. You still 
have to tend your crop and shield it from predation and disease and storms. 
One application for BLP power plants will be desaliation of the oceans for 
potable and irrigation water.


Mike Carrell

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Re: [Vo]:Two Wrongs, continued

2009-06-13 Thread Horace Heffner


On Jun 13, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Mike Carrell wrote:


A note about algae for fuel. Conceptually very appealing, but  
managing it on a large scale may have surprises, such a mutation  
and vulnerability to parasitic attack, as with the super-hybridized  
grain crops. While the organisms may live in sea water, sea water  
is rich with nutrients which will have to be supplied, and such is  
part of whole which needs consideration.


Mike Carrell



Ideal locations are thus deserts near oceans or the actual salt water  
surface.  This is well known.  The nutrients are thus conveniently  
directly supplied by sea water.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/