Re: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
Metal hydrides are examples of materials that carry H and/or D and are not bottles of gas. Such carriers of H and D are hardly new and and probably already the state of the art. Bob - Original Message - From: Ron Kita To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola Greetings Vortex-L, Seems like that inventor Marc Chason is from Motorola: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=lenrOS=lenrRS=lenr Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
I worked with Marc Chason for many years at Motorola. He is a former Argonne Nat'l Labs researcher before coming to Motorola and has a strong material science background. We worked together on HTC superconductor applications at Motorola. Marc is now a consultant (his own company) and is closely associated with Widom Larsen. I have a great deal of respect for his creativity and ingenuity. Bob Higgins On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This patent is a huge surprise. Not only is the technique obvious, many other filings which relate to LENR have been denied for even mentioning the subject. There are numerous “equal protection” issues here. The USPTO is in disarray on this subject. From: Bob Cook Metal hydrides are examples of materials that carry H and/or D and are not bottles of gas. Such carriers of H and D are hardly new and and probably already the state of the art. Bob - Original Message - From: Ron Kita mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex-L, Seems like that inventor Marc Chason is from Motorola: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fn etahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=lenrOS=lenr RS=lenr Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
RE: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
This patent is a huge surprise. Not only is the technique obvious, many other filings which relate to LENR have been denied for even mentioning the subject. There are numerous “equal protection” issues here. The USPTO is in disarray on this subject. From: Bob Cook Metal hydrides are examples of materials that carry H and/or D and are not bottles of gas. Such carriers of H and D are hardly new and and probably already the state of the art. Bob - Original Message - From: Ron Kita mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex-L, Seems like that inventor Marc Chason is from Motorola: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fn etahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=lenrOS=lenr RS=lenr Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
Jones, I was never really sure what you meant by the term spillover catalyst or structural support with regard to zeolites but here is this patent referring to the zeolite as a molecular sieve in what I assume supports membrane type disassociation of h2.. is that in line with your perspective for the purpose of the zeolite mix with Ni powder or is this perhaps a dual purpose ingredient? Fran [snip] 11. The arrangement of claim 10, wherein the filter stage comprises at least one of: (a) paper filters; (b) zeolite molecular sieves; (c) electrostatic filters; and (d) metal hydrides. [/snip] _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:04 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola This patent is a huge surprise. Not only is the technique obvious, many other filings which relate to LENR have been denied for even mentioning the subject. There are numerous “equal protection” issues here. The USPTO is in disarray on this subject. From: Bob Cook Metal hydrides are examples of materials that carry H and/or D and are not bottles of gas. Such carriers of H and D are hardly new and and probably already the state of the art. Bob - Original Message - From: Ron Kitamailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex-L, Seems like that inventor Marc Chason is from Motorola: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=lenrOS=lenrRS=lenr Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This patent is a huge surprise. An app does not a patent make in many cases.
Re: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
But he isn't trying to patent LENR or the e-cat.. he is only applying for a method to supply hydrogen to said devices.. real or unreal as these devices may be the device to supply hydrogen to it is far less challenging. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This patent is a huge surprise. An app does not a patent make in many cases.
RE: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
From: Bob Higgins I worked with Marc Chason for many years at Motorola. He is a former Argonne Nat'l Labs researcher before coming to Motorola and has a strong material science background. We worked together on HTC superconductor applications at Motorola. Marc is now a consultant (his own company) and is closely associated with Widom Larsen. I have a great deal of respect for his creativity and ingenuity. Jones Beene wrote: This patent [application] is a huge surprise. Not only is the technique obvious, many other filings which relate to LENR have been denied for even mentioning the subject…. There are numerous “equal protection” issues here. The USPTO is in disarray on this subject. Chason’s filing is an application, as Terry sez - so I made the correction above - and it will be interesting to see how it fares at USPTO in the end. Given Chason’s creativity, one wonders if there is more to the application than meets the eye. Speaking of which – Chason mentions Larsen’s granted patent, which is “not exactly” a patent for LENR, but instead is ostensibly worded to be used for gamma shielding. Larsen’s is a back-door or “sneaky” patent since it tries to sneak in more coverage than is apparent in the abstract. That was probably the only way to get anything through USPTO for a LENR reactor. Chason may be trying to do the same. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,893,414.PN.OS=PN/7,893,414RS=PN/7,893,414 Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,893,414.PN.OS=PN/7,893,414RS=PN/7,893,414 However, 7,893,414 appears to be so compromised and poorly conceived (insofar as the basic claim of functional gamma shielding, which they cannot show in practice) as to be essentially unenforceable. To be minimally enforceable, the inventor would need to show the actual ability to completely shield high energy fusion gammas (in the range of 24 MeV) - which they, nor anyone else, can do without a heavy metal. For instance, they cite 5,887,042 (Akamatsu) from 1999 which uses titanium hydride along with lead - to give a lighter weight shielding, but in practice this is no better than lead in terms of volume required, and only manages to make the shielding slightly lower weight (and far more costly). In fact, almost nothing in nature has been shown to shield fusion level gammas better than lead.
Re: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
Jones-- I would say the USPTO is in disarray period; and it has been for a long time. The political influence is not to address new inventions, since they may upset the political/industry applecart. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:03 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola This patent is a huge surprise. Not only is the technique obvious, many other filings which relate to LENR have been denied for even mentioning the subject. There are numerous “equal protection” issues here. The USPTO is in disarray on this subject. From: Bob Cook Metal hydrides are examples of materials that carry H and/or D and are not bottles of gas. Such carriers of H and D are hardly new and and probably already the state of the art. Bob - Original Message - From: Ron Kita mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex-L, Seems like that inventor Marc Chason is from Motorola: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fn etahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=lenrOS=lenr RS=lenr Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:Vortex-l LENR Patent Application- Motorola
In reply to Ron Kita's message of Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:19:08 -0400: Hi, [snip] Greetings Vortex-L, Seems like that inventor Marc Chason is from Motorola: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=lenrOS=lenrRS=lenr An approach for supplying hydrogen and/or deuterium to LENR and E-Cat based energy generating systems includes receiving a source material that is rich in hydrogen and/or deuterium. A gaseous form of at least one of those elements is extracted from the source material via electrochemical dissociation, hydrocarbon recovery, or a suitable mechanical process. The gaseous form of the element is preferably filtered to remove water vapor and other impurities before being pressurized and supplied to the energy generating system. Advantages of the approach include enhanced safety and system portability due to elimination of a need for pressurized gas storage tanks. 1) Hydrogen and/or deuterium are the same element, not different elements. The application should have referred to isotopes not elements. 2) There is no need to provide additional pressure. Electrolysis alone is capable of producing a high pressure without any assistance. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
