Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
Demonstrate the "toy" to a small number of friends and trusted colleagues. Provide snacks and drinks. Harry On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 6:00 PM Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea. > > And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as > a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... > Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for > kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). > > I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that > kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. > > Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top > image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way > resembles the Nazi version). > > Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, > but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily > indoctrinated against such ideas yet. > > Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. > > Maybe a colouring book. > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin > wrote: > >> In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? >> >> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so >> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. >> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire >> world view. >> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to >> children to help them become accustomed to life >> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, >> because that's what they have experienced all their >> lives. >> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and >> eventually mainstream science will get around to >> investigating. >> >> > >> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! >> > >> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their >> body >> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but >> no >> >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't >> even >> >give it a moment. >> > >> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but >> not >> >much less than that. >> > >> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, >> Antigravity, >> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >> >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery >> >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts >> are >> >related of course). >> > >> >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with >> is >> >left to languish. >> > >> >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, >> >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with >> politics >> >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. >> > >> >So what will it take? >> > >> >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to >> reproduce, >> >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? >> >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water >> on >> >others who otherwise might. >> > >> >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again >> that >> >is going to lead to too few who verify it. >> > >> >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a >> >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... >> >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people >> >not interested people with money and or the right positions within >> >physics... >> > >> >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! >> > >> >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible >> >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. >> > >> >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off >> >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) >> >then: >> > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ >> >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able >> to >> >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional >> >explanation. >> > >> >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that >> >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or >> >some angel investor or lottery win... >> >I just don't see anything changing! >> > >> >I
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
This is the kind of toy that is needed. People have made attempts to emulate but as yet no one has succeeded. They need to try harder. I believe it worked. > "Bruce Welsh is an electronics engineer with* the o*pen spirit which has > been devoted to alternative energies for twenty years. It is convinced that > one can build machines with on-unit. He had an uncle who liked to arrange, to invent. One day, old Bruce of seven or eight years, returned visit to the uncle who showed to the grandfather the new play that it had made for his children (it had six of them). The play made in the sixty centimetres height for a base of thirty centimetres square. It consisted of a slope in spiral of three turns and half. At the bottom of the slope a paddle wheel, connected by some gears to an elevator was placed going up to the top of the play where a hopper furnished with ten balls was. An opening to rocker in the hopper made it possible to let pass, one by one the balls which went down the slope into three to five seconds. The ball touched the paddle wheel what gave a small upswing which released another ball whereas the first was on the elevator and went towards the hopper. And so on. There were five balls at the same time on the elevator and the once launched play did not stop any more. To begin, all the balls were to be in the hopper and Bruce remembers to be thundered by the uncle because it had touched the paddle wheel, thus stopping the play started again soon by the uncle. And, several hours after, the play always functioned. Did the uncle know that it had violated the laws of physics? Its descendants do not know any more what became this play, it is probable that the uncle in recovered the parts as it was its practice to rebuild another thing, unless it does not sleep yet in an old farm, in dust… They do not remember either to have seen other apparatuses functioning in an autonomous way, nor of engine on the play, but know that the play had stopped afterwards weeks and simply set out again after being cleaned. Foot-note: the slope in spiral is indeed a vortex and it seems that in a certain way the vortices add energy, one unceasingly finds them in many ideas related to on-unit. (KeelyNet source of the 14/12/97)" On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 23:00, Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea. > > And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as > a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... > Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for > kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). > > I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that > kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. > > Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top > image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way > resembles the Nazi version). > > Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, > but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily > indoctrinated against such ideas yet. > > Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. > > Maybe a colouring book. > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin > wrote: > >> In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? >> >> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so >> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. >> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire >> world view. >> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to >> children to help them become accustomed to life >> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, >> because that's what they have experienced all their >> lives. >> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and >> eventually mainstream science will get around to >> investigating. >> >> > >> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! >> > >> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their >> body >> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but >> no >> >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't >> even >> >give it a moment. >> > >> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but >> not >> >much less than that. >> > >> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, >> Antigravity, >> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >> >However replication is
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
A Bessler Wheel in the form of a toy. Interestingly, Laithwaite came close to solving this with his gyro demonstration at the RI. May the strain be with you. On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 23:00, Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea. > > And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as > a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... > Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for > kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). > > I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that > kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. > > Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top > image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way > resembles the Nazi version). > > Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, > but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily > indoctrinated against such ideas yet. > > Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. > > Maybe a colouring book. > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin > wrote: > >> In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? >> >> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so >> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. >> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire >> world view. >> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to >> children to help them become accustomed to life >> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, >> because that's what they have experienced all their >> lives. >> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and >> eventually mainstream science will get around to >> investigating. >> >> > >> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! >> > >> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their >> body >> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but >> no >> >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't >> even >> >give it a moment. >> > >> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but >> not >> >much less than that. >> > >> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, >> Antigravity, >> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >> >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery >> >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts >> are >> >related of course). >> > >> >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with >> is >> >left to languish. >> > >> >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, >> >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with >> politics >> >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. >> > >> >So what will it take? >> > >> >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to >> reproduce, >> >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? >> >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water >> on >> >others who otherwise might. >> > >> >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again >> that >> >is going to lead to too few who verify it. >> > >> >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a >> >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... >> >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people >> >not interested people with money and or the right positions within >> >physics... >> > >> >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! >> > >> >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible >> >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. >> > >> >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off >> >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) >> >then: >> > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ >> >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able >> to >> >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional >> >explanation. >> > >> >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that >> >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or >> >some angel investor or lottery win... >> >I
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea And while I don't think there are many things that could > be introduced as a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ...Or maybe a perpetual > motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for kids it would be a toy > adults would want even more (executive toys)... ... well. yes if you can attract a cult-like following -- then who knows where it will go ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSdkyrJ3ipY
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
Interesting idea. And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way resembles the Nazi version). Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily indoctrinated against such ideas yet. Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. Maybe a colouring book. On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin wrote: > In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: > Hi, > [snip] > >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? > > Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so > they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. > This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire world > view. > Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to > children to help them become accustomed to life > in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, > because that's what they have experienced all their > lives. > As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and > eventually mainstream science will get around to > investigating. > > > > >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! > > > >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their > body > >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). > >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. > >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no > >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. > >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but no > >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't even > >give it a moment. > > > >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel > >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but > not > >much less than that. > > > >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, > Antigravity, > >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. > >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery > >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts > are > >related of course). > > > >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with is > >left to languish. > > > >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, > >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with > politics > >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. > > > >So what will it take? > > > >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to > reproduce, > >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? > >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water > on > >others who otherwise might. > > > >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again > that > >is going to lead to too few who verify it. > > > >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a > >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... > >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people > >not interested people with money and or the right positions within > >physics... > > > >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! > > > >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible > >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. > > > >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off > >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) > >then: > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ > >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able > to > >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional > >explanation. > > > >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that > >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or > >some angel investor or lottery win... > >I just don't see anything changing! > > > >I get it when things aren't provable, but when they are how do so many > >ignore results? > >Then again, I see the same occurring with natural/alternative medicine > even > >when the success rates are high. > >Or indeed reasons to avoid vaccines that were rushed experimental novel > and > >based on the toxic part
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: Hi, [snip] >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire world view. Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to children to help them become accustomed to life in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, because that's what they have experienced all their lives. As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and eventually mainstream science will get around to investigating. > >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! > >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their body >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but no >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't even >give it a moment. > >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but not >much less than that. > >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, Antigravity, >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts are >related of course). > >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with is >left to languish. > >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with politics >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. > >So what will it take? > >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to reproduce, >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water on >others who otherwise might. > >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again that >is going to lead to too few who verify it. > >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people >not interested people with money and or the right positions within >physics... > >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! > >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. > >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) >then: >https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able to >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional >explanation. > >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or >some angel investor or lottery win... >I just don't see anything changing! > >I get it when things aren't provable, but when they are how do so many >ignore results? >Then again, I see the same occurring with natural/alternative medicine even >when the success rates are high. >Or indeed reasons to avoid vaccines that were rushed experimental novel and >based on the toxic part of the virus and has details they wanted secret for >75 years... That still many took >Or reasons to question how a building could fall at free fall >speeds through still standing structure as though it offered the same >structural resistance as air. > >And while there is no obvious solution to the alien/ufo subject that makes >coherent sense, when respected scientists consider the Fermi Paradox they >generally utterly deny the absolute masses of evidence we have for aliens >as though it doesn't even deserve a few seconds to discount. > >We have a seriously strange world if you choose to look at it objectively. > > >Jonathan If no one clicked on ads companies would stop paying for them. :)
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
JoJo, I own a small ($2M annual revenue) industrial engineering company in Atlanta. Give me access to a few good minds like on this board and access to some lab equipment (maybe rent time/resources at Ga Tech nano group across the highway - Electron Microscope Mass Spec, etc). and we could probably get some results within 6 months (assuming we nail down the reactants (Ni, H, C, K2HCO3, etc) - our PE Engineers could come up with a few reactor/heat transfer designs and get them fabbed in a local shop It looks like Rossi ordered most of his parts from a Grainger catalog... Defkalion just drilled into a steel block some kernals and channels for thermal liquid heat transfer. Just swagging some numbers which might be a little more realistic assuming the reactants could be nailed down within months instead of years.: Prototype Cost: Research: $150K - GA Tech Equip, access to nano/materials group to help with Ni surface, co-deposition, etc. PhD help from guys like Axil Engineering: (reactor drawings, specs) $100K Prototyping Cost: $50K (ea. Reactor only probably $5K) make a few prototypes Instrument and Controls: $50K $350K gets a reactor prototype functioning like Defkalion... I have many industrial customers that would die for something like this either generating heat or between 50-1000 PSIG steam in their plant. I could not make them fast enough. Most of my customers would most likely finance a project once a prototype is proven. I could replace every industrial boiler/heater in everyone of my customers plants with these things! On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hey gang!! I'd like to throw this question around for discussion. I have been lurking here for a while and decided to subsribe recently. The question I would like the collective to discuss is? What would it take to bring Rossi-like reactors to the market? How much mullah needs to be invested to replicate the E-Cat. I am specifically referring to E-Cat technology only, not thermacore, FP or Mills, which I think appears to be dead-end technologies. I would be interested in reactor designs and lab equipment necessary. If somebody were to invest the needed mullah, would someone in this collective be able to replicate Rossi, as DGT seems to have done. I would specifically want Axil to chime in on what he think needs to be done based on his Rydberg Atoms theory of LENR? Jones Beene also on what he thinks it will take to implement the Copper Pair/Langmuir Torch theory. And others also. Jojo
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Initially may be able to speed the rate of experimentation using an array of samples all subjected to the same heating and pressurisation cycles. Set out multiple test powders in an array within a reaction chamber and use an IR (or maybe visible spectrum at more useful elevated temps) camera to assess which samples get hotter than the others. This would let you quickly and cheaply work through 1000's of material or processing variants rapidly with a single instrumented reactor set-up, though you might have some issues with volatile compounds migrating around the reaction chamber. This is sort of what is done for initial stage drug screening studies. You could also offer it as a cheap test facility to external researchers - eg $50-100 a test on their material to be put through a standard vacuum, heating and H2 pressurisation test cycle over a few days, or offer a variety of test plans that will be executed each month. On 24 January 2012 15:46, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: JoJo, I own a small ($2M annual revenue) industrial engineering company in Atlanta. Give me access to a few good minds like on this board and access to some lab equipment (maybe rent time/resources at Ga Tech nano group across the highway - Electron Microscope Mass Spec, etc). and we could probably get some results within 6 months (assuming we nail down the reactants (Ni, H, C, K2HCO3, etc) - our PE Engineers could come up with a few reactor/heat transfer designs and get them fabbed in a local shop It looks like Rossi ordered most of his parts from a Grainger catalog... Defkalion just drilled into a steel block some kernals and channels for thermal liquid heat transfer. Just swagging some numbers which might be a little more realistic assuming the reactants could be nailed down within months instead of years.: Prototype Cost: Research: $150K - GA Tech Equip, access to nano/materials group to help with Ni surface, co-deposition, etc. PhD help from guys like Axil Engineering: (reactor drawings, specs) $100K Prototyping Cost: $50K (ea. Reactor only probably $5K) make a few prototypes Instrument and Controls: $50K $350K gets a reactor prototype functioning like Defkalion... I have many industrial customers that would die for something like this either generating heat or between 50-1000 PSIG steam in their plant. I could not make them fast enough. Most of my customers would most likely finance a project once a prototype is proven. I could replace every industrial boiler/heater in everyone of my customers plants with these things! On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hey gang!! I'd like to throw this question around for discussion. I have been lurking here for a while and decided to subsribe recently. The question I would like the collective to discuss is? What would it take to bring Rossi-like reactors to the market? How much mullah needs to be invested to replicate the E-Cat. I am specifically referring to E-Cat technology only, not thermacore, FP or Mills, which I think appears to be dead-end technologies. I would be interested in reactor designs and lab equipment necessary. If somebody were to invest the needed mullah, would someone in this collective be able to replicate Rossi, as DGT seems to have done. I would specifically want Axil to chime in on what he think needs to be done based on his Rydberg Atoms theory of LENR? Jones Beene also on what he thinks it will take to implement the Copper Pair/Langmuir Torch theory. And others also. Jojo
