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I think [Vo] has been hacked. This thread appears to be an infomercial. When replying you also get the Yahoo email address below, instead of [Vo] I hope Mr. Beaty is lurking nearby. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/ From: Greg Watson [mailto:gowatso...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 7:31 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com; vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Hello!! http://www.bankers-corner.com/components/com_content/yaid352.php 2/2/2013 2:30:49 PM Greg Watson _
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RE: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
Yes, we're home. Yawn. Why should it be a surprise, if the answer is no? Others have reported excellent results, maybe not 100% but very good - and researchers in major labs or Universities took no notice. After all, they are sooo busy, busy, busy that they cannot look-up from figuring out how to waste billions trying to find that bogus boson (which they have labeled as divine) ... Plus, this LENR stuff is pathological science isn't it? Even if someone in the fizzix establishment did take notice, why would they replicate Pd-D which has so little chance of commercialization, due to the thousand-fold higher cost of the reactants, instead of Ni-D which does have a chance? Jones From: James Bowery HAS ANYONE EVEN ATTEMPTED TO REPLICATE PREPARATA? Citing Preparata, Guiliano, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Cold Fusion Calorimetry, (ICCF-6, vol 1, October 13-18, 1996), p. 136 Excess Heat by Charles Beaudette, 2000 edition, p 207: Preparata ...claims to have obtained 100% reliability in building Fleischmann and Pons types of cells. (emphasis JAB) The same [result] was observed in the about fifty similar experiments that we have conducted. (emphasis JAB) attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Yes, we're home. Yawn. Why should it be a surprise, if the answer is no? Because there do exist some actual scientists.
RE: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
Yes, but actual scientists need decent funding to do this kind of work. BTW, there is a typo in previous post: should be Ni-H - as in why would they replicate Pd-D which has so little chance of commercialization, due to the thousand-fold higher cost of the reactants, instead of Ni-H which does have a chance? As mentioned in previous postings, palladium has hit $1000/ounce at times in recent history, and nickel is in the range of $1/ounce. The huge cost disparity between D and H is even greater. The point being: if Preparata had focused on Ni-H, where the end game is obvious (Ni-H can be commercialized far more easily) then there would have been a better chance that he would have been replicated. However, it was one of those quirks of history that nano was not being tried in 1995, and Ni-H benefits greatly from nano. (although no one except NASA took the time to replicate Thermacore, and even with that replication, political pressure was too great for them to get continued funding, EVEN AT NASA). From: James Bowery * Yes, we're home. Yawn. Why should it be a surprise, if the answer is no? Because there do exist some actual scientists. attachment: winmail.dat
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Yes, but actual scientists need decent funding to do this kind of work. ... As mentioned in previous postings, palladium has hit $1000/ounce at times $100 for one foot of 1mm diameter palladium wire http://www.bonanza.com/listings/1-FOOT-PALLADIUM-950-ROUND-WIRE-HH-18-GAUGE-JEWELRY/23681238 This is enough to replicate Preparata's experiment. Hardly a bank-buster. Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point.
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James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: $100 for one foot of 1mm diameter palladium wire http://www.bonanza.com/listings/1-FOOT-PALLADIUM-950-ROUND-WIRE-HH-18-GAUGE-JEWELRY/23681238 This is enough to replicate Preparata's experiment. Hardly a bank-buster. It is all the other stuff that costs you. You need $100,000 in equipment. Plus you have to devote months to the project or you have to have a graduate student. Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point. They were convinced of that 22 years ago. By 1990 the mass media was firmly entrenched against cold fusion. Most scientists take their opinions from the mass media, just like anyone else. There has been tremendous opposition to this field starting the day it was announced, continuing to the present moment. There was never a time when actual scientists were open minded. Many -- perhaps most -- are still opposed to it. Fortunately, many others are willing to look. Traffic at LENR-CANR is at record highs. We do not need a majority of scientists. A few hundred scientists and one or two people such as Dick Smith of Australia is all we need. - Jed
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: $100 for one foot of 1mm diameter palladium wire http://www.bonanza.com/listings/1-FOOT-PALLADIUM-950-ROUND-WIRE-HH-18-GAUGE-JEWELRY/23681238 This is enough to replicate Preparata's experiment. Hardly a bank-buster. It is all the other stuff that costs you. You need $100,000 in equipment. Plus you have to devote months to the project or you have to have a graduate student. I was responding to Jones' argument that Pd price was a serious impedement nowadays. Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point. They were convinced of that 22 years ago. By 1990 the mass media was firmly entrenched against cold fusion. Most scientists take their opinions from the mass media, just like anyone else. You obviously don't understand what I mean when I say actual scientists. Jones did understand.
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
BTW: The following should not be taken to mean that I believe most actual scientists are convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect is a moot point. I was merely trying to avert an irrelevant argument with Jones. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point.
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: As mentioned in previous postings, palladium has hit $1000/ounce at times in recent history, and nickel is in the range of $1/ounce. The huge cost disparity between D and H is even greater. Today Pd bid $1481 ask $1489 ozt. trending down. Ni is bid at $0.61 ozt. T
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Please ignore this crap. No idea how this is being done but spammers are using my address book and email and name to spam people. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:31 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: hello Just a couple of days ago we bought an Apple MacBook Pro MC024LL/Afrom ! this websitewww.xmas-carnival.com It is indeed a fantastic machine, though it will take some time to get used to the new system. Wireles mouse and keyboard. Nice design. and I love it. I paid $1260US all charges included the chose to use the Core 2 Duo but that's not all bad. This is a stable, cool running, capable processor. I use this mostly for work where stability, battery life, portability, and longevity are the most important things to me. I rarely play games. I especially like the backlit keyboard. if you want to get one.you can check it out . I shall take this opportunity to wish you a Blessed Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year. Regards, John Berry
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send us your iPad and it'll all be fine.. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:27 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Please ignore this crap. No idea how this is being done but spammers are using my address book and email and name to spam people. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:31 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: hello Just a couple of days ago we bought an Apple MacBook Pro MC024LL/Afrom ! this website http://www.xmas-carnival.com/
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It is a hacker from China (Beijing?) that hacked my gmail account. My password was random characters, but I have used the password before. Still I wonder, I just before used a usb wifi device I just squired, it was bough as near new, could it be modded? the timing is strange. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:27 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Please ignore this crap. No idea how this is being done but spammers are using my address book and email and name to spam people. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:31 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: hello Just a couple of days ago we bought an Apple MacBook Pro MC024LL/Afrom ! this websitewww.xmas-carnival.com It is indeed a fantastic machine, though it will take some time to get used to the new system. Wireles mouse and keyboard. Nice design. and I love it. I paid $1260US all charges included the chose to use the Core 2 Duo but that's not all bad. This is a stable, cool running, capable processor. I use this mostly for work where stability, battery life, portability, and longevity are the most important things to me. I rarely play games. I especially like the backlit keyboard. if you want to get one.you can check it out . I shall take this opportunity to wish you a Blessed Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year. Regards, John Berry
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I think your Yahoo account is compromised too. MJ On 08-Jan-11 09:09, John Berry wrote: It is a hacker from China (Beijing?) that hacked my gmail account. My password was random characters, but I have used the password before.
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On 01/08/2011 08:09 AM, John Berry wrote: It is a hacker from China (Beijing?) that hacked my gmail account. How do you know that? My password was random characters, but I have used the password before. Still I wonder, I just before used a usb wifi device I just squired, it was bough as near new, could it be modded? It could be, but I think it's improbable. If I'm not mistaken, gmail authentication is done over https. To hack that, a man in the middle must provide you with forged SSL certificates. That's not impossible, and is in fact relatively easy to do (google ssh man in the middle, sshmitm). It's just that I find it too sophisticated just to send spam. And if they are spying on you, why send spam then? Most likely, a weak password(how many characters?), or a gmail vulnerability. the timing is strange. When you are looking for coincidences, the timing is always strange. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:27 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com mailto:aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Please ignore this crap. No idea how this is being done but spammers are using my address book and email and name to spam people. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:31 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com mailto:aethe...@gmail.com wrote: hello Just a couple of days ago we bought an Apple MacBook Pro MC024LL/Afrom ! this websitewww.xmas-carnival.com http://www.xmas-carnival.com/ It is indeed a fantastic machine, though it will take some time to get used to the new system. Wireles mouse and keyboard. Nice design. and I love it. I paid $1260US all charges included the chose to use the Core 2 Duo but that's not all bad. This is a stable, cool running, capable processor. I use this mostly for work where stability, battery life, portability, and longevity are the most important things to me. I rarely play games. I especially like the backlit keyboard. if you want to get one.you can check it out . I shall take this opportunity to wish you a Blessed Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year. Regards, John Berry
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On 01/08/2011 09:29 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 01/08/2011 08:09 AM, John Berry wrote: It is a hacker from China (Beijing?) that hacked my gmail account. How do you know that? My password was random characters, but I have used the password before. Still I wonder, I just before used a usb wifi device I just squired, it was bough as near new, could it be modded? It could be, but I think it's improbable. If I'm not mistaken, gmail authentication is done over https. To hack that, a man in the middle must provide you with forged SSL certificates. That's not impossible, and is in fact relatively easy to do (google ssh man in the middle, sshmitm). It's just that I find it too sophisticated just to send spam. Well, in the name of truth, if it's an usb gadget it could theoretically install a modified driver in your computer, containing a trojan. That way it would not be necessary to hijack ssl sessions, a keylogger would suffice. A virus/trojan in your computer installed by any other means will have the same effect. Regards, Mauro
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On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:27 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Please ignore this crap. No idea how this is being done but spammers are using my address book and email and name to spam people. Well, they do have some good prices and are in Peking according to this amusing explanation: ShippingDelivery We accept EMS, UPS,Fedex,TNT,DHL ship to worldwide. Deliver the elucidation: 1:After we identify your payment, we will send out item for you in a workday, inviting you to pay attention to in time at the same time your mailbox or MSN, we would after item send out, with mail or the MSN contact of way tell you the item to track the path, in order to you can at any time pay attention to the deliver circumstance of your item. 2:At deliver the method top, we would according to the customer's concrete demand, choose the in keeping with carrying method, we guarantee to send out the item to the customer with the lowest expenses, the most short time. 3.We will ship worldwide,The item will be shipped from peking and mark as Gift. We shipment made via EMS first class mail with delivery confirmation number, or Signature confirmation. We can provide you with a tracking number. (Please email us.) Never had anyone agree to ship according to my concrete demand. :-) T
