Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:44:58 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] Does anyone understand what happens to one of these fractional Rydberg hydrogen atoms once it is released into the atmosphere? Does it gain energy from the air and become standard hydrogen? I am just curious? I order to be small enough to qualify as IRH, each atom has to give up hundreds of eV of energy. In order to expand again, it would have to somehow reacquire that energy. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
In reply to Danny Ross Lunsford's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:46:34 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Fractional Rydberg? That's nonsense too - this isn't chemistry, it's not electrons. It's nucleons. The key point is that nickel 62 is at the peak of the binding-energy-per-nucleon curve. Somehow I think a circular reaction is going on around the peak - call it fussion. Do you have a more concrete explanation than this hand waving? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:38:36 -0400: Hi, [snip] Somehow inverse Rydberg matter may be formed between and among these tubules with the help of the high pressure and temperature of the hydrogen envelop and the mediating action of an alkaline catalyst. When did we discover that the catalyst was alkaline? When all those electrons and protons that comprise a inverse Rydberg molecule are packed into the very small space between these surface tubules, this set of subatomic particles gain a lot of energy maybe from Zero Point Energy or just from the uncertainty principle. No, they lose a lot of energy (hundreds of eV / atom)! (Major reduction of the distance between positive and negative charges). There is nothing magical (ZPE) about this. This is probably the major source of energy in Rossi's reactor. Dr. George Miley shows in his experiments and also in the Rossi ash, Has Miley had an opportunity to analyze Rossi's ash? what comes out of this process is a zoo of other transmuted elements all up and down the periodic table. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Not yet -- I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin --- On Wed, 11/2/11, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com wrote: around the peak - call it fussion. Do you have a more concrete explanation than this hand waving?
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
That is the question that I would like to have answered. Would the hydrino be able to acquire the needed energy from the thermal energy available of the atmosphere? If not, why have not all of the hydrogen atoms in existence (on earth) been catalyzed during the eons of time that has been available? My main purpose for asking the question is to determine if some type of heat pump could be used where hydrogen is turned into hydrinos releasing heat and then released. Then I was hoping that they would reacquire the energy from the thermal environment to be recycled. This sounds like a breech of the second law, but why not give it a try. :-) Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 3:16 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:44:58 -0400 (EDT): i, snip] Does anyone understand what happens to one of these fractional Rydberg hydrogen toms once it is released into the atmosphere? Does it gain energy from the air nd become standard hydrogen? I am just curious? order to be small enough to qualify as IRH, each atom has to give up hundreds f eV of energy. In order to expand again, it would have to somehow reacquire hat energy. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:12:47 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] That is the question that I would like to have answered. Would the hydrino be able to acquire the needed energy from the thermal energy available of the atmosphere? If not, why have not all of the hydrogen atoms in existence (on earth) been catalyzed during the eons of time that has been available? Because in order to be catalyzed, they need to exist as individual atoms, whereas all the Hydrogen on Earth exists bound in chemical compounds. Furthermore even when present as an atom, it still needs to come across a catalyst atom too. My main purpose for asking the question is to determine if some type of heat pump could be used where hydrogen is turned into hydrinos releasing heat and then released. Then I was hoping that they would reacquire the energy from the thermal environment to be recycled. This sounds like a breech of the second law, but why not give it a try. :-) Dave I don't think so, though perhaps solar x-rays in the upper atmosphere might reconstitute them. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Thank you for the response. The hydrino cycle that I am describing, aka heat pump of some unusual type, would allow energy contained within the thermal surroundings to do work. I can imagine some of that work being used to generate radiant energy that could then escape the system. This escaping energy would cause the local system to cool off. This technique sounds a lot like a violation of the laws of thermodynamics. I guess that a similar process occurs when a dust cloud cools down by radiating heat energy. Is there any way that we can verify that a process exists which will enable the hydrinos to absorb the hypothetical energy you discussed and emerge as hydrogen again? Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 3:35 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:12:47 -0400 (EDT): i, snip] That is the question that I would like to have answered. Would the hydrino be ble to acquire the needed energy from the thermal energy available of the tmosphere? If not, why have not all of the hydrogen atoms in existence (on arth) been catalyzed during the eons of time that has been available? Because in order to be catalyzed, they need to exist as individual atoms, hereas all the Hydrogen on Earth exists bound in chemical compounds. urthermore even when present as an atom, it still needs to come across a atalyst atom too. My main purpose for asking the question is to determine if some type of heat ump could be used where hydrogen is turned into hydrinos releasing heat and hen released. Then I was hoping that they would reacquire the energy from the hermal environment to be recycled. This sounds like a breech of the second aw, but why not give it a try. :-) Dave don't think so, though perhaps solar x-rays in the upper atmosphere might econstitute them. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:37:00 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] Thank you for the response. The hydrino cycle that I am describing, aka heat pump of some unusual type, would allow energy contained within the thermal surroundings to do work. I can imagine some of that work being used to generate radiant energy that could then escape the system. This escaping energy would cause the local system to cool off. This technique sounds a lot like a violation of the laws of thermodynamics. I guess that a similar process occurs when a dust cloud cools down by radiating heat energy. Is there any way that we can verify that a process exists which will enable the hydrinos to absorb the hypothetical energy you discussed and emerge as hydrogen again? If you hit a Hydrino with another atom fast enough, it should be possible to ionize it, however this is much more difficult than ionizing a normal hydrogen atom, and the percentage of other atoms (at room temperature) that would have enough energy is incredibly small (vanishing tip of the Boltzmann tail). That's why I suggested solar x-rays in the upper atmosphere. Dave Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
That is exactly what I was saying… Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused so much controversy. The term should be eradicated with extreme predjudice. From: Danny Ross Lunsford [mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly eliminate the bad ideas. -- I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: A recent paper “Time-resolved hydrino continuum transitions with cutoffs at 22.8 nm and 10.1 nm” http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf...http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Does anyone understand what happens to one of these fractional Rydberg hydrogen atoms once it is released into the atmosphere? Does it gain energy from the air and become standard hydrogen? I am just curious? Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:41 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg That is exactly what I was saying… Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused so much controversy. The term should be eradicated with extreme predjudice. From: Danny Ross Lunsford [mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly eliminate the bad ideas. -- I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: A recent paper “Time-resolved hydrino continuum transitions with cutoffs at 22.8 nm and 10.1 nm” http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf...
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Fractional Rydberg? That's nonsense too - this isn't chemistry, it's not electrons. It's nucleons. The key point is that nickel 62 is at the peak of the binding-energy-per-nucleon curve. Somehow I think a circular reaction is going on around the peak - call it fussion. -- I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 12:40 PM That is exactly what I was saying… Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused so much controversy. The term should be eradicated with extreme predjudice. From: Danny Ross Lunsford [mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly eliminate the bad ideas. -- I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: A recent paper “Time-resolved hydrino continuum transitions with cutoffs at 22.8 nm and 10.1 nm” http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf...
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Hello Fran, I don`t understand your statement: Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused so much controversy. I thought Mills has always said that the hydrino = hydrogen in a fractional quantum state. BTW the continuum spectrum in discharges of H2 gas is 100% reproducible and has no known explanation. Peter van Noorden - Original Message - From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:40 PM Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg That is exactly what I was saying… Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused so much controversy. The term should be eradicated with extreme predjudice. From: Danny Ross Lunsford [mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly eliminate the bad ideas. -- I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: A recent paper “Time-resolved hydrino continuum transitions with cutoffs at 22.8 nm and 10.1 nm” http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf...
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
I will remind the theorists among us again that Rossi states in his patent that copper can be used as a micro powder material as an alternative to nickel. This implies that the physical and/or chemical properties of Nickel are not critical to the Rossi reaction. Rossi has surveyed many other transition metals to support his reaction. He found that nickel performed the best but conversely the other transition metals work almost as well. Nano-engineering is all important in the Rossi process. This indicates to me that the nuclear and/or chemical properties of the micro-metal are not as important as the nano surface preparation of the micro-powder. In simple terms in my opinion, the topology of the nano-structures is what makes the Rossi reaction go. Rossi calls this topology tubules and spent six months working day and night to optimize this surface structure. The changing work functions of the varied polycrystalline structures of these tubules will break apart H2 into H. Somehow inverse Rydberg matter may be formed between and among these tubules with the help of the high pressure and temperature of the hydrogen envelop and the mediating action of an alkaline catalyst. When all those electrons and protons that comprise a inverse Rydberg molecule are packed into the very small space between these surface tubules, this set of subatomic particles gain a lot of energy… maybe from Zero Point Energy…or just from the uncertainty principle. Dr. George Miley shows in his experiments and also in the Rossi ash, what comes out of this process is a zoo of other transmuted elements all up and down the periodic table. On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:44 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone understand what happens to one of these fractional Rydberg hydrogen atoms once it is released into the atmosphere? Does it gain energy from the air and become standard hydrogen? I am just curious? Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:41 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg That is exactly what I was saying… Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused so much controversy. The term should be eradicated with extreme predjudice. *From:* Danny Ross Lunsford [mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.comantimatte...@yahoo.com?] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:28 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly eliminate the bad ideas. *-- I write a little. I erase a lot. *- Chopin --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com*wrote: A recent paper “Time-resolved hydrino continuum transitions with cutoffs at 22.8 nm and 10.1 nm” http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf...http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Dear Axil, what you say is more true for Piantelli who has created Transition Metals LENR. Peter On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I will remind the theorists among us again that Rossi states in his patent that copper can be used as a micro powder material as an alternative to nickel. This implies that the physical and/or chemical properties of Nickel are not critical to the Rossi reaction. Rossi has surveyed many other transition metals to support his reaction. He found that nickel performed the best but conversely the other transition metals work almost as well. Nano-engineering is all important in the Rossi process. This indicates to me that the nuclear and/or chemical properties of the micro-metal are not as important as the nano surface preparation of the micro-powder. In simple terms in my opinion, the topology of the nano-structures is what makes the Rossi reaction go. Rossi calls this topology tubules and spent six months working day and night to optimize this surface structure. The changing work functions of the varied polycrystalline structures of these tubules will break apart H2 into H. Somehow inverse Rydberg matter may be formed between and among these tubules with the help of the high pressure and temperature of the hydrogen envelop and the mediating action of an alkaline catalyst. When all those electrons and protons that comprise a inverse Rydberg molecule are packed into the very small space between these surface tubules, this set of subatomic particles gain a lot of energy… maybe from Zero Point Energy…or just from the uncertainty principle. Dr. George Miley shows in his experiments and also in the Rossi ash, what comes out of this process is a zoo of other transmuted elements all up and down the periodic table. On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:44 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone understand what happens to one of these fractional Rydberg hydrogen atoms once it is released into the atmosphere? Does it gain energy from the air and become standard hydrogen? I am just curious? Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 1:41 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg That is exactly what I was saying… Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused so much controversy. The term should be eradicated with extreme predjudice. *From:* Danny Ross Lunsford [mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.comantimatte...@yahoo.com?] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:28 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly eliminate the bad ideas. *-- I write a little. I erase a lot. *- Chopin --- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com*wrote: A recent paper “Time-resolved hydrino continuum transitions with cutoffs at 22.8 nm and 10.1 nm” http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf...http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
