RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:tungsten and atomic hydrogen
Jones, I totally agree that LOCAL motion exists proportional to applied heat in the MAHG and BLP process and even some motion due to ambient heat in the Life after death scenario of Arata where hydrogen is simply diffused through Pd nano powders. The point I was trying to make is that a dedicated circulation path can release more energy than the pumping energy required to move the gas by reducing the energy required to disassociate H2 when said molecules are migrating between different Casimir geometries (changing relativistic frames). I am suggesting that the disassociating energy used in the BLP device or MAHG device can be replaced by circulation. William Lynes came to this same conclusion in the late 90's and more recently published My Invention of the Atomic Furnace http://byzipp.com/LAHFeng.pdf in 2005 . Professor Moddel investigated this pumping energy requirement early on relating to the Haisch Moddel patent which circulates hydrogen through copper columns separated by insulated layers in the columns and found that opposition to the flow does not increase proportional to heat release. In my layman terms it is moving the drill body but it is gas law in tandem with changing relativistic frames that is actually spinning the drill - the atoms still respond to chaotic energy at the local level (think ac noise = vacuum flux) while the average dc levels vary inversely to the Casimir geometry /suppression. Again it all comes down to a posit that atoms in a molecular bond oppose change between Casimir geometry much more than an unbonded atom. Like The airplane we are at a point where a very fast and precise control loop is required to keep the ingredients near the disassociation point while moving relative to a changing Casimir geometry - It may take very careful thermal and chemical engineering to slowly elevate the output and energy extraction in a careful balance to keep the conditions viable or we will get the BLP runaway spike shown in the Rowan confirmations or a starved slow out gassing we see in the Life after death scenarios. Regards Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:tungsten and atomic hydrogen Fran - That may not be precisely true. I think that there would be rapid local recirculation of hydrogen within the sputtered internal surface area (cavity to cavity) ... even though it is accurate that there is no dedicated circulation pathway in and out of the tube. From: Roarty, Francis X It was brought to my attention that there is no hydrogen circulation in the Moller's Atomic generator
RE: [Vo]:Regarding: Anti-Gravity / Cold Fusion Explained In Detail: A New Era In Physics Pt. 8 of ?
From Robin: ... That's not all that's wrong. He equates energy and angular momentum. (Apples and oranges). Furthermore it is not true that the mass of the electron remains the same during the quantum transition, since it's velocity changes, and hence also it's relativistic mass. (And I suspect that even it's rest mass changes with it's distance from the proton). I'm curious. Does Randy Mills' CQM theory account for these issues as well? Does anyone know? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:NanoSpire
Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-foun d-gold-water
Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:44:47 -0700: Hi, [snip] Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water At 3300 mph, the kinetic energy of an Oxygen atom is 0.18 eV. (H is much less). So unless some form of energy concentration is taking place direct fusion seems highly unlikely. However with some form of concentration, perhaps enough energy may be gathered to create O++ (requires 48.7 eV) which is a Mills catalyst, potentially leading to Hydrino formation, and thence to fusion. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
RE: [Vo]:NanoSpire
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com At 3300 mph, the kinetic energy of an Oxygen atom is 0.18 eV. (H is much less). So unless some form of energy concentration is taking place direct fusion seems highly unlikely OK, you are almost there - for Zeno. Forget the kinetic part - red herring. Remember that it all begins with a laser focused at the bubble near a channel or pore in the containment wall - IOW - the laser focuses into a Casimir cavity. (see the patents on their site) The concentrator could be the bubble itself, but not in the way you are thinking IMO. The bubble is a micro lens that focuses the laser beam into reciprocal space. IOW the focusing effect is so intense into the Dirac negative energy field that we get an effect that is said to be more intense than fusion more like a supernova, which is like saying that there is far more than 24 MeV per the same volume of space of the resultant alpha... which might definitely give radiation sickness even at low levels of input. This is not you workaday fizzix ;) Which. Of source may mean that it is closer to Sci-Fi than they are willing to admit. In fact, there is a 99% probability that this is no more than QBS, and/or the lingering mental delusions brought on by radiation sickness, but ... OTOH ... we vorticians are always holding out for the major miracle, no? I have a hunch that this one is more promising than most ... Jones
Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water Interesting method of bubble control. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7517430.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7297288.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6960307.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6932914.pdf T
Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:13:22 -0700: Hi, [snip] Remember that it all begins with a laser focused at the bubble near a channel or pore in the containment wall - IOW - the laser focuses into a Casimir cavity. (see the patents on their site) Actually, the laser focuses into the fluid to create the bubble. It is the fluid jet from the bubble collapse that enters the cavity. The concentrator could be the bubble itself, but not in the way you are thinking IMO. The bubble is a micro lens that focuses the laser beam into reciprocal space. A gas bubble in a liquid act as a concave not a convex lens, hence the beam would be dispersed by the bubble, not concentrated (let alone into reciprocal space) ;) [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire
At 03:44 PM 10/27/2010, Jones Beene wrote: Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-waterhttp://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water I'm going to put some material posted to the private CMNS mailing list here, because the author stated, in response to my mention that material posted there might not be kept confidential: I intend this material to be public. This is too important and I feel the public as a right to know. The reference to the above page, cited by Jonas, appeared on the CMNS list the same day as the article came out. Since there has started, here, some speculation and response, based on very incomplete information, I'm copying here the actual posts of Mark LeCair to that list. I will redact any quotations from others, because, in general, posts to that list are confidental and should be so treated. But anyone may consent to the release of their own writing, and I might quote some of my own. Before starting, I must say that I have personally found adequate cause to doubt absolutely everything that Mark LeGrand has said. Note doubt. I have no proof, only suspicion arising from a mass of details found when I researched this, it was enough for me to warn the CMNS list and the researchers that there could be some severe problems with this. Some of what Mark has said has been confirmed, but some of that turns out to be less impressive than what he may have claimed. I will comment on this with a separate mail. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:20:12 EDT Subject: CMNS: NanoSpire Article This is our first posting to the group. This should get the discussion rolling. http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-waterhttp://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water Regards, Mark L. LeClair CEO Founder NanoSpire, Inc. Ph.: 207.929.6226 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-leclair/10/61/349http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-leclair/10/61/349 [I'll leave off the signature for the rest of the posts.] [I responded, noting the importance of caution in dealing with this material. I was generally accepting the possibility that the report from the article could be true.] Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:41:40 EDT Subject: Re: CMNS: NanoSpire Article Fair enough. It was designed to get the word out, a heads up. There were a few inaccuracies and misquotes, but we didn't write the article. I never claimed that the material was peer reviewed in the sense of jounal publications, but it was reviewed by many top-tier scientists. I was sickened, along with Serge, in two separate experiments. We barely survived the first set of experiments, this is no laughing matter. The day after the experiment, Serge showed symptoms first, vomiting and diarrhea. A day later, I was in the same boat. For two days, we both had to fight to breath, I was convinced I was going to die. My wife and children witnessed both of our symptoms, Serge stayed with us for months before he was well enough to return home to Cleveland. I lost about one third of my hair. I had beta burn on my skin. I was sore down the entire length of the right side of my body, the side facing the experiment. Blood tests showed that my white blood cells were nearly wiped out. McMaster University did SKY radiation dosimetry on us gratis, and found multiple chromosome breaks and translocations in both of us and concluded it was plausible it was caused by radiation damage. For five months, we had no ability to thermoregulate our body temperature, which would swing from 95 degrees up to 101 degrees, back and forth over the course of minutes. I had to cal 911 when Serge passed out from a 95 degree body temperature. The first responders did not even dare to enter the lab to carry him out. Over the course of months, we both lost the linings of our intestines. This was particularly disturbing since GI problems associated with radiation are the sign of a near fatal dose. Every object within two meters of the experiment was laced with nuclear tracks. The experiment triggered massive transmutation of the elements, conformed by extensive SEM-EDAX, XPS and LA-ICP-MS mass spec. Ninety different elements were detected in large amounts (grams), inluding the presence of many short-lived isotopes. The isotope ratios were indentical to those found in supernovas, and did not resemble natural abundances at all. The transmuted particles were so hot, they cooked the polystyrene dishes they were placed in, turning the bottom nearly opaque with nuclear tracks that formed a ring around the bottom of the dish. This is only a small sample of what happened. A warning to you all, anyone spending more than a few hours next to this device would end up dead. Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:27:21 EDT Subject: CMNS: The LeClair Effect I have decided to
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Re: [Vo]:Regarding: Anti-Gravity / Cold Fusion Explained In Detail: A New Era...
The video is pretty good considering that it was done with no money and no help. It is a fine job I believe. Lane is a quick study and I am learning more. In the end it does not matter because cold fusion has died with the cancellation of the ACS meeting. Why sweat the details, no one is watching any more. Frank Znidarsic
