Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Annabelle, *,



Annabelle Wübbelsmann  schrieb am Mo., 28. Aug. 2023,
11:09:

> Hi,
>
> on the download page
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/
>
> in the section "Operating Systems" there are two entries for Windows.
>
> 1. Windows
> 2. Windows x86_64 (Windows 7 or newer required)
>
> Shouldn't the first one named like "Windows x86 (Windows 7 or newer
> required)"?
>

Yeah, I guess we can switch that to read Windows (32bit) and Windows
(64bit)..

Ciao
Christian

>

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[libreoffice-website] Download page

[Annabelle Wübbelsmann]

Hi,

on the download page

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

in the section "Operating Systems" there are two entries for Windows.

1. Windows
2. Windows x86_64 (Windows 7 or newer required)

Shouldn't the first one named like "Windows x86 (Windows 7 or newer
required)"? So it is clear to the user for which operating system this
entry is.

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[libreoffice-website] Download page: changing "Mac OS X" to "macOS"

[Mike Saunders]

Hello everyone,

On this page: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

We still say "Mac OS X", although Apple rebranded it to "macOS" back in
2016. Shall I update it? I can change the names in
mysite/code/DownloadObject.php, but I just wanted to check first in case
it breaks anything. (I very much doubt it -- just being super cautious!)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page new style

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

2017-12-22 11:55 GMT-03:00 Cor Nouws :
> Hi all,
>
> People start noticing that our Dutch download page is rather oldish,
> compared to the nice new global one.
> How can we do the same version in Dutch?
> (Obvious that I didn't notice the info somewhere in my mail).
>
> Cheers,
> Cor


I'd like to know the answer too.

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[libreoffice-website] download page new style

[Cor Nouws]

Hi all,

People start noticing that our Dutch download page is rather oldish,
compared to the nice new global one.
How can we do the same version in Dutch?
(Obvious that I didn't notice the info somewhere in my mail).

Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows wrong detected operating system

[Valter Mura]

Il 03/12/2017 00:59, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:

Il 02/12/2017 16:21, Tim-L ha scritto:



The download page for 5.4.3 is the first time it showes the wrong OS 
in the detected OS drop-down menu.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

That page use to show Linux x86_64 (deb) for my laptop running Ubuntu 
16.04, when I downloaded the previous versions of LO. Now it shows 
Linux x86_64 (rpm).


I confirm this (I'm on linuxmint 18.3). The download page shows rpm for 
both 5.3.7 and 5.4.3




For me, it is correct, I'm currently on OpenSUSE and it shows rpm

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows wrong detected operating system

[Tim-L]

On 12/02/2017 06:59 PM, Luca Daghino @ Libero wrote:

Il 02/12/2017 16:21, Tim-L ha scritto:



The download page for 5.4.3 is the first time it showes the wrong OS 
in the detected OS drop-down menu.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

That page use to show Linux x86_64 (deb) for my laptop running Ubuntu 
16.04, when I downloaded the previous versions of LO. Now it shows 
Linux x86_64 (rpm).


I confirm this (I'm on linuxmint 18.3). The download page shows rpm 
for both 5.3.7 and 5.4.3



I do not remember this problem when I downloaded 5.4.2 or 5.4.1.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows wrong detected operating system

[Luca Daghino @ Libero]

Il 02/12/2017 16:21, Tim-L ha scritto:



The download page for 5.4.3 is the first time it showes the wrong OS 
in the detected OS drop-down menu.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

That page use to show Linux x86_64 (deb) for my laptop running Ubuntu 
16.04, when I downloaded the previous versions of LO. Now it shows 
Linux x86_64 (rpm).


I confirm this (I'm on linuxmint 18.3). The download page shows rpm for 
both 5.3.7 and 5.4.3


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[libreoffice-website] Download page shows wrong detected operating system

[Tim-L]

The download page for 5.4.3 is the first time it showes the wrong OS in 
the detected OS drop-down menu.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

That page use to show Linux x86_64 (deb) for my laptop running Ubuntu 
16.04, when I downloaded the previous versions of LO. Now it shows Linux 
x86_64 (rpm).


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[libreoffice-website] Download page

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

Is possible to localize the download page available on main website?
If so, how to achieve that goal?

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[libreoffice-website] Download page: available versions fresh/still problem

[Kevin Suo]

Hi all,

currently at the bottom of the download page, there is

Available Versions
LibreOffice is available in the following released versions:
4.1.6 -
4.2.5
4.2.6
4.3.0

Problem is: On fresh page, the links for all the versions are all 
fresh; on still page, the links are all still.


This is misleading.

Thanks!

Kevin Suo

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download Page

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2014-06-10 13:32:

fixed the site.


thanks a lot for the fast reaction, much appreciated!

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download Page

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Joel,

Joel Madero wrote on 2014-06-10 01:09:


I just tried downloading the source for fresh and stable - the download
page comes up but it doesn't automatically start downloading - leading
one to think they HAVE to donate. Not sure if this is by design or a
problem:


http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.1.6/en-US/libreoffice-4.1.6.2.tar.xz
http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.2.4/en-US/libreoffice-4.2.4.2.tar.xz


I can reproduce these only with your links, they seem to be a bit 
miscrafted. @Cloph: Can you have a look please? Perhaps the link 
creation for the source file is wrong.


Thanks for reporting,
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download Page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Florian, *,

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi Joel,

 Joel Madero wrote on 2014-06-10 01:09:

 I just tried downloading the source for fresh and stable - the download
 page comes up but it doesn't automatically start downloading - leading
 one to think they HAVE to donate. Not sure if this is by design or a
 problem:

 http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.1.6/en-US/libreoffice-4.1.6.2.tar.xz

 http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.2.4/en-US/libreoffice-4.2.4.2.tar.xz

 I can reproduce these only with your links, they seem to be a bit
 miscrafted. @Cloph: Can you have a look please? Perhaps the link creation
 for the source file is wrong.

Yep - the links were wrong - should look like:

http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/src/4.1.6/all/libreoffice-4.1.6.2.tar.xz?idx=1

fixed the site.

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Download Page

[Joel Madero]

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-stable/

I just tried downloading the source for fresh and stable - the download
page comes up but it doesn't automatically start downloading - leading
one to think they HAVE to donate. Not sure if this is by design or a
problem:


http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.1.6/en-US/libreoffice-4.1.6.2.tar.xz
http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/multi-multi/4.2.4/en-US/libreoffice-4.2.4.2.tar.xz


Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

I strongly advocate against it; it would only create more confusion and 
continue into the storyline that fresh=unstable and stable=good. 

No one puts an older software branch in front of the more recent branch. Does 
MS Office advertise MS Office 2010? :-)

Best, 
Charles. 

On 21 avril 2014 22:56:07 CEST, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com 
wrote:
Hiya,

During discussion on the QA call today, the topic of the download page
came up. We link to the 'Fresh' page from the front-page of
libreoffice.org, and while we do provide a link from the Fresh page to
the Stable version, said link is pretty small.

Thoughts on making the link to the Stable version more prominent?  (We
generally promote the Fresh version more heavily, but I do have many
users ask me about the Stable version)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 21/04/2014 22:56, Robinson Tryon a écrit :
 Hiya,
 
 During discussion on the QA call today, the topic of the download page
 came up. We link to the 'Fresh' page from the front-page of
 libreoffice.org, and while we do provide a link from the Fresh page to
 the Stable version, said link is pretty small.
 
 Thoughts on making the link to the Stable version more prominent?  (We
 generally promote the Fresh version more heavily, but I do have many
 users ask me about the Stable version)

My proposition:
1/ on the home page, have 2 buttons Download fresh version and
Download stable version. The buttons could be colored differently.
2/ on each download page, have a link Fresh/Stable version: what does
mean to a page where the difference is explained. This link should be
in front of the title LibreOffice Fresh / Stable, above Main installer.

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[libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[Robinson Tryon]

Hiya,

During discussion on the QA call today, the topic of the download page
came up. We link to the 'Fresh' page from the front-page of
libreoffice.org, and while we do provide a link from the Fresh page to
the Stable version, said link is pretty small.

Thoughts on making the link to the Stable version more prominent?  (We
generally promote the Fresh version more heavily, but I do have many
users ask me about the Stable version)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: Make the 'stable' version more prominent?

[elcico2001 एल्चिको]

Il 21/04/2014 22:56, Robinson Tryon ha scritto:

Hiya,

During discussion on the QA call today, the topic of the download page
came up. We link to the 'Fresh' page from the front-page of
libreoffice.org, and while we do provide a link from the Fresh page to
the Stable version, said link is pretty small.

Thoughts on making the link to the Stable version more prominent?  (We
generally promote the Fresh version more heavily, but I do have many
users ask me about the Stable version)

Thanks,
--R


Completely agree about this; I would also add a link to download archives.
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[libreoffice-website] download page broken?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

I was just trying to download LibO 4.2 from the German website to a 32 
bit Windows 7 machine, and the download button yields a 404 not found error.


I am on the run to a meeting, but Cloph, can you maybe have a look? 
Anyone else can confirm?


Seems to be working fine from the international page, but not from the 
German one. Maybe other localized pages are affected as well.


Thanks,
Florian

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[libreoffice-website] Download Page - Update Needed?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

With the upcoming redesign QA talked about this a bit. From my side, I 
think that the download page has a lot of information thrown at users 
which 99%+ don't really need to see and tend to remove focus from the 
main thing (which is the product for end users). A couple projects which 
seem to have really clean pages:


http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop

These tend to focus on what most users care about (the project, vs. all 
the additional information).


Thanks all for the great work :-D


Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Andrew, *,

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote:

 [...] I was wondering if someone could explain how
 you guys did our download page so I might make their page better. I know
 that it ha to do with user agents but after that I don't know what to do.

Yes, that's right. We use the browser's user-agent string to make a
guess as to what platform/OS the user might want to get.

Fairly accurate for distinguishing between Linux, Mac and Windows, a
little harder to get x86 vs x86_64 right and even harder to guess
right for rpm vs deb.

With the user-agent parsing, we classify into the following groups:
win-x86  = Windows,
mac-x86  = Mac OS X (Intel),
mac-ppc  = Mac OS X (PPC),
deb-x86  = Linux - deb (x86),
deb-x86_64   = Linux - deb (x86_64),
rpm-x86  = Linux - rpm (x86),
rpm-x86_64   = Linux - rpm (x86_64)

So that's the user-interaction side. On the other hand we have the
site keep a database of the available downloads. For that we parse our
mirror's filelist using rsync and extract the corresponding metadata
from the pathnames. We end up with the following:

'Type' = 'Varchar(20)', /* box, portable, src,
stable, testing */
'Platform' = 'Varchar(10)', /* deb, rpm, win, mac,
multi (box) */
'Arch' = 'Varchar(10)', /* x86, x86_64, ppc, multi (box) */
'Version' = 'Varchar(20)', /* 3.3.0, 3.3.1-rc2,
3.3.0.4 (Sources),...*/
'Size' = 'DBFileSize',  /* varchartype not int
because of dvd-isos, larger than int-type */
'Fullpath' = 'Varchar(256)', /* redundant, but as the
scheme differs between type... */
'Filename' = 'Varchar(100)', /* redundant, but as the
scheme differs between type... */
'InstallType' = 'Varchar(20)', /* Full, Helppack,
Languagepack, SDK */
'Lang' = 'Varchar(10)', /* multi/all_lang (win),
en-US,...pt-BR,... */

WIth that it is easy to combine the two.
From the list of downloads, we determine the versions to offer on the
dl-page (and default to the lastest) - with the version and the
guessed platform you have all you need.
For a user wanting winx86, you query the downloads for matching
Platform, version and bam, you have the matching download.

Now there are additional downloads for platforms, and the set of
available downloads differ per platfrom (helppack and languagepack or
only languagepack). This is taken care of by the html-templating
language along with the php using corresponding conditionals.

The third part of it is the related links section - this is assembled
from other pages stored in the cms by looking at the meta-tags of the
pages. You basically tag pages that show up in the related links
section by applying a meta-keyword to the desired page.

If you're interested in how it actually works, have a look at
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code (mysite/code for the php-stuff, and
mysite/templates for the template stuff) or ask more specific
follow-up questions :-)

ciao
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[libreoffice-website] Download page

[Andrew Pullins]

Hello,

I don't know if this is the beast place to ask this or if I should go to
the Dev side of things. I love our download page we have for LibreOffice.
Now I have been working on another open source project recently and their
download page is horrible [1]. I was wondering if someone could explain how
you guys did our download page so I might make their page better. I know
that it ha to do with user agents but after that I don't know what to do.

[1]
http://www.netresponsibility.com/download.php

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi *,

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
 On 07/09/2013 01:09 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
 webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
 [...]
 So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll
 get the All link.

 The clicking on Portable under the Package section - bottom left of the
 page - gives you ...Normal.paf.exe.

Should have read pick a *language* that is not in the multi
installer to be more clear.
Like e.g. Sanskrit: http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=sa-IN

 So would you want to show both Portable package options?

 Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected)
 language is sufficient.

 Are you saying if I was detected to use an African language that is
 supported by LO, that the link would then select ...All.paf.exe ???

Yes - and that is really trivial to try out yourself...
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=af
Afrikaans for example. Or use the Sanskrit one from above.

 Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so
 it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to
 satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so
 try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 →
 you'll get both offered.


 For 4.0.4, there is currently only the NA-DVD on the CD/DVD download page.
 I was not even thinking about 3.6.x.  Also 4.1.0 comes out at the end of the
 month, so I will be planning on making a NA-DVD out of those installs.

So what? note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date...

 []
 I have tired the Portable version once a year or two ago, but there may have
 been issues with testing it while I have LO installed on that Windows
 system.

Please keep this thread focuses to the workings of the download page
itself, not about functionalities of the software packages.

 [...]
 The German ISO does have other language packs included, but the last time
 I downloaded it, the text of the DVD was in German.

Well, there must be a reason for German in the name, right?
But see comment above.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Hi Christian,

Le 03/07/2013 22:56, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
 Hi *,
 
 As indicated in earlier mails, the restructuring of the code for the
 download-page is almost complete. What is lacking is to make it look a
 little nicer, but the functionality I intended to add is all there.
 [...]

Thank you very much for doing this. I think it will integrate well with
our French parallel presentation of currently available stable versions.
I agree with Marc that the main buttons should be above the alternative
links.

 
 Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for
 feedback/translation starts :-))
 
 
 
 
 So please provide feedback, if you have css to style it nicely, please
 go ahead and share. If you have other remarks: feel free to post them.
 If you reply to more aspects, please split your response into multiple
 separate messages.
 
 (When I ask for translations, also feel free to suggest better English 
 wording)
 
 New strings to translate are on the donation page, the text that reads:
 
 »Your download %s should begin shortly. Please click the link in case
 it doesn't start.« (%s is a manual link to the download, using the
 filename as label)

FR translation : Le téléchargement va commencer dans quelques secondes.
Veuillez cliquer sur le lien s'il ne démarre pas.
 
 and the optional addition
 »You can find the optional downloads on the left.« (only shown when
 there are additional donwloads (langpacks/helppacks, other
 source-packages), but not for e.g. the SDK or the portable version.

FR translation : À gauche vous trouvez les téléchargements complémentaires

Note: I do not see this text on your test page while there is
additionnal dowloads for FR version.
 
 Texts on the download page stayed mostly the same, except that the
 change system, version or language now is split.
 
 I did pick »Change Language« and  »or change Operating system:« (two
 separate strings, since Change Langauge is also the label for a
 link, and if it would be one single string, I would not know where to
 split it)

FR translations:
»Change Language« -- Changer de langue
»change Operating system« -- Changer de système d'exploitation
Stable Versions -- Versions stables
Pre-Release Versions -- Pré-versions
Other versions (hover to show) -- Autres versions (pointer avec la
souris pour les montrer
(Sorry I do not know how to say shorter in French ;-) )
[...]

 No regular installation files are available.
FR translation: Aucun fichier d'installation disponible
Note: I do not understand what regular means in this context.

 Please change your selection or pick one from the additional downloads below.
FR translation: Veuillez changer votre sélection ou choisir parmi les
téléchargements additionnels ci-dessous

 If you're looking for old versions, please visit our downloadarchive.
FR translation: Si vous cherchez une ancienne version, veuillez visitez
nos archives.

Best regards
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi all,

Just a remark on translation:

[...]
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org
 wrote:

 Hi Christian,




 Other versions (hover to show) -- Autres versions (pointer avec la
 souris pour les montrer

I would say survoler de la souris pour les afficher

@Christian, may be these strings should be with other on Pootle, we would
have all the website strings at the same place?
and thanks a lot for your work on this :)

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

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http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

I have a question.
The Portable section, under Packages, links to the

http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe

Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to 
choose, if their needed language is not in the normal version.


LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe

So would you want to show both Portable package options?

Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I 
would assume that the German one would be available sometime.  So if we 
have both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package 
links show up here?


If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be 
that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well.


I was just thinking about this.

To be really honest, I really like this version of the default 
download page.  It is much easier to use, since there are less 
clicking needed if you want to download a version that is not the same 
as the detected one. I.E., you use Linux to browse the page, but you 
want to download a copy of the Windows or MacOSX version[s] as well.  I 
use Linux for my default desktop, but I have 3 tablets that are Windows 
based [WinXP, Win7 Home, Win7 Professional]  So for the multi-OS user, 
this version of the download page works well. Right now, it was easier 
to use the http://www.libreoffice.org/download-more/; page for 
downloading multi-OS installs over the currently used download page - or 
at least until the staging one gets to be the default page.


I cannot wait till there is an Android OS package listed there as well, 
plus maybe an iPad version after that.  Android is the only OS I use 
that LO is currently not available.  I hope the developers get that 
version out of the early-alpha stage[s] soon.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi *,

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

 I have a question.
 The Portable section, under Packages, links to the

 http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe

 Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to
 choose, if their needed language is not in the normal version.

 LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe

So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll
get the All link.

 So would you want to show both Portable package options?

Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected)
language is sufficient.

 Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I
 would assume that the German one would be available sometime.  So if we have
 both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package links
 show up here?

Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so
it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to
satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so
try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 →
you'll get both offered.

 If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be
 that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well.

Well, yes and no. Portable version is just windows version of
LibreOffice, with a different set of supported languages, whereas the
LibreOffice DVDs are a compilation of LibreOffice + some additional
software and documentation. LibreOffice is multi-lang on both isos.

Thanks for the feedback.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 07/09/2013 01:09 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

I have a question.
The Portable section, under Packages, links to the

http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/portable/4.0.4/12/LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualNormal.paf.exe

Yet, there is another Portable package that some people might want to
choose, if their needed language is not in the normal version.

LibreOfficePortable_4.0.4_MultilingualAll.paf.exe

So just pick a version that is not in the multi installer and you'll
get the All link.


The clicking on Portable under the Package section - bottom left of 
the page - gives you ...Normal.paf.exe.



So would you want to show both Portable package options?

Nah, there I think just showing the matching (chosen or detected)
language is sufficient.
Are you saying if I was detected to use an African language that is 
supported by LO, that the link would then select ...All.paf.exe ???



Also, right now there is only one 4.0.4 ISO file, the NA-DVD one. But, I
would assume that the German one would be available sometime.  So if we have
both versions of the DVD for the 4.0.5 installs, would both package links
show up here?

Yes - note that the staging site's download-DB is not up-to-date, so
it might not show all downloads that are currently available - but to
satisfy your example: for 3.6.6 there are both en and german isos, so
try with http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 →
you'll get both offered.


For 4.0.4, there is currently only the NA-DVD on the CD/DVD download 
page.  I was not even thinking about 3.6.x.  Also 4.1.0 comes out at the 
end of the month, so I will be planning on making a NA-DVD out of those 
installs.  3.6.7 is due out sometime next week.  I have to think about 
making a NA-DVD for it as well. [but I am using 4.0.4 for all my 
system/OSs now].



If you show only one of the Portable package options, the logic would be
that you would only show one of the available DVD .iso file options as well.

Well, yes and no. Portable version is just windows version of
LibreOffice, with a different set of supported languages, whereas the
LibreOffice DVDs are a compilation of LibreOffice + some additional
software and documentation. LibreOffice is multi-lang on both isos.

Thanks for the feedback.

ciao
Christian



I have tired the Portable version once a year or two ago, but there may 
have been issues with testing it while I have LO installed on that 
Windows system.  It looks like there is another group that has created a 
different portable system and setup for packages, though I could not get 
that system to run on my Win7 laptops. X-LibreOffice, I think it is called.


The Portable package type of setup is a nice one to have so you can run 
you favorite package on someone else's Windows computer without needing 
to install it on that system.  The last time I tried it, it was much 
slower than the installed version, but is is a good way to demonstrate 
LO to others, if you do not have your laptop [or desktop] handy.  Thumb 
drives are much easier to carry.  I have a few 16 and 32 GB ones I carry 
with me, as needed, for slideshows and other presentations so I do not 
have to have those presentations/documentation on a specific system that 
I must take with me.


The German ISO does have other language packs included, but the last 
time I downloaded it, the text of the DVD was in German.  The NA-DVD 
uses generic English for the text of the HTML based DVD, but 
includes 8 different languages [language and help packs if available].  
The NA-DVD does not include the SKD and source code, but has about 2 GB 
of extras, plus the 90+/- install, language pack, and help pack files 
for Windows, MacOSX [Intel and PPC], Linux [DEB and RPM], plus the 2 
portable packages.


BOTH of the DVDs are targeted on different communities, as far as I can 
tell for the German one.  Note--I produce the NA-DVD.


I would love to see other DVDs listed on the CD/DVD download page[s].  
Having a different DVD created for each major language would be nice 
to see.  Those languages would include;  English, German, French, 
Spanish, Italian, Russia and that region, Middle Eastern region, African 
regain, Asian region, etc., plus Hebrew [which MSO seems to forget 
about, or so I have been told].  It would be hard to make one DVD, with 
the type of extras that the NA-DVD has, with auto detecting language and 
several language versions of the HTML based text system.  I would not 
fit on a normal 4.7 GB DVD.  I looked into it a few years back and 
could not figure out how to do it, as well as finding the extras in 
those languages - i.e. all of the documentation in all of those 
languages. [Well that went off topic a little].






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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-07-03 22:56:

Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for
feedback/translation starts :-))


just two things here:

I assume you do the German translation on your own? If you need help or 
a review, just poke me.


If you don't get enough feedback, feel free to also poke the projects@ 
list, asking for help.


Thanks!
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Flo, *,

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-07-03 22:56:

 Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for
 feedback/translation starts :-))

 just two things here:

 I assume you do the German translation on your own? If you need help or a
 review, just poke me.

Yes, can do german translation on my own.

 If you don't get enough feedback, feel free to also poke the projects@ list,
 asking for help.

Thanks - will do - so far no translations arrived. And to answer the
other posts: Sure it is possible to move the switches to the bottom. I
agree that it is more natural that way.

Will make the changes and post to the projects list in the evening.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Harri Pitkänen]

Hi!

This new download page really is easier to use, thanks! Just one question:

On Wednesday 03 July 2013, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 * clicking on the main download (main installler, or portable, or iso,
 or sdk, or source for core-repository), will direct to the donate
 page, and donate-page will show the additional downloads, so the user
 doesn't have to go back to select languagepack or helppack.

What if a localized subsite does not have a donations page (at least for the 
Finnish subsite adding one would be legally problematic)? Would it be possible 
to make this redirection configurable so that we could redirect to the generic 
get involved page (which we do have) or should we just disable the 
redirection for such subsites completely?

Harri

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Harri,

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Harri Pitkänen hatap...@iki.fi wrote:
 On Wednesday 03 July 2013, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 * clicking on the main download (main installler, or portable, or iso,
 or sdk, or source for core-repository), will direct to the donate
 page, and donate-page will show the additional downloads, so the user
 doesn't have to go back to select languagepack or helppack.

 What if a localized subsite does not have a donations page (at least for the
 Finnish subsite adding one would be legally problematic)? Would it be possible
 to make this redirection configurable so that we could redirect to the generic
 get involved page (which we do have) or should we just disable the
 redirection for such subsites completely?

The plan was to just disable the redirection. Redirecting to a get
involved page is trickier, as that then also would need the ability
to show the additional downloads.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Christian Kühl]

Hi Christian!

Am 03.07.2013 22:56, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:


I will list the changed strings, so please read all of it/at least
skip to the delimiter :-)

You can try it out at http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

* it is now possible to only select one of the paramaters, instead
of all three, i.e. you can preselect a version, and have the rest
auto-detect: → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6
will offer the 3.6.6 download, but still detect the language and OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=fr will offer the
french version, and autodetects version (defaults to latest stable,
currently 4.0.4) and autodetects the OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=nlversion=3.6.6 will
preselect dutch version of 3.6.6 for whatever OS the site detects.

* it is now possible for the user to switch os or version using one
single choice, without having the need to click through all the
pages. Only changing the langauge will show a separate page, because
the list of languages is so big. But changing from rpm to deb, or
from windows to Mac is now just one click.

* also the versions are presented for selection by the user, so both
codelines are mentioned/available.


The new download page is very functional, thanks for that.

But: The new part for changing language, OS or version is cluttering. I
think it would be better having three separate lines for choosing. My
suggestion:

LibreOffice os, version version, language.
Not the version you wanted?
* Change aLanguage/a
* Change Operating System: aWindows/a ...
* Change Version: Stable Versions: ... Pre-Release Versions: ...

Greetings,
Christian.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

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On 07/05/2013 01:27 PM, Christian Kühl wrote:

Hi Christian!

Am 03.07.2013 22:56, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:


I will list the changed strings, so please read all of it/at least
skip to the delimiter :-)

You can try it out at http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

* it is now possible to only select one of the paramaters, instead
of all three, i.e. you can preselect a version, and have the rest
auto-detect: → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6
will offer the 3.6.6 download, but still detect the language and OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=fr will offer the
french version, and autodetects version (defaults to latest stable,
currently 4.0.4) and autodetects the OS →
http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=nlversion=3.6.6 will
preselect dutch version of 3.6.6 for whatever OS the site detects.

* it is now possible for the user to switch os or version using one
single choice, without having the need to click through all the
pages. Only changing the langauge will show a separate page, because
the list of languages is so big. But changing from rpm to deb, or
from windows to Mac is now just one click.

* also the versions are presented for selection by the user, so both
codelines are mentioned/available.


The new download page is very functional, thanks for that.

But: The new part for changing language, OS or version is cluttering. I
think it would be better having three separate lines for choosing. My
suggestion:

LibreOffice os, version version, language.
Not the version you wanted?
* Change aLanguage/a
* Change Operating System: aWindows/a ...
* Change Version: Stable Versions: ... Pre-Release Versions: ...

Greetings,
Christian.



Yes
I like it.
You have less clicks to go through to download a different OS version 
than you are browsing with.  For those who use several OSs - I use 
Windows and 64-bit DEBs - it is much esasier to use this page.  Also, 
since it also shows the download for the ISO files, it works in that way 
as well.





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[libreoffice-website] Download-Page rework - please test provide translations

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi *,

As indicated in earlier mails, the restructuring of the code for the
download-page is almost complete. What is lacking is to make it look a
little nicer, but the functionality I intended to add is all there.

What follows is a description of the changes, and after the
###
I will list the changed strings, so please read all of it/at least
skip to the delimiter :-)

You can try it out at http://staging.libreoffice.org/download

List of changes/implemented features:
* add the content from the cms at the top of the page.
  → allows projects to put lengthy explanations on the download page,
that are displayed always, not for .0 or .1 versions (those still
work)

* it is now possible to only select one of the paramaters, instead of
all three, i.e. you can preselect a version, and have the rest
auto-detect:
  → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?version=3.6.6 will offer
the 3.6.6 download, but still detect the language and OS
  → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=fr will offer the
french version, and autodetects version (defaults to latest stable,
currently 4.0.4) and autodetects the OS
  → http://staging.libreoffice.org/download/?lang=nlversion=3.6.6
will preselect dutch version of 3.6.6 for whatever OS the site
detects.

* it is now possible for the user to switch os or version using one
single choice, without having the need to click through all the pages.
Only changing the langauge will show a separate page, because the list
of languages is so big. But changing from rpm to deb, or from windows
to Mac is now just one click.

* also the versions are presented for selection by the user, so both
codelines are mentioned/available.

* clicking on the main download (main installler, or portable, or iso,
or sdk, or source for core-repository), will direct to the donate
page, and donate-page will show the additional downloads, so the user
doesn't have to go back to select languagepack or helppack.
  → note that the actual redirection to automatically start the
download is disabled, but it is the same method as currently used on
the live site (i.e. using a meta-refresh tag with the download-URL),
so the method is known to work. (it is inserted into the source-code
but commented-out).
  → see 
http://staging.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/dl/rpm-x86_64/3.6.6/he/LibO_3.6.6_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz
for an example

Now for the part where the presentation ends, and my requests for
feedback/translation starts :-))




So please provide feedback, if you have css to style it nicely, please
go ahead and share. If you have other remarks: feel free to post them.
If you reply to more aspects, please split your response into multiple
separate messages.

(When I ask for translations, also feel free to suggest better English wording)

New strings to translate are on the donation page, the text that reads:

»Your download %s should begin shortly. Please click the link in case
it doesn't start.« (%s is a manual link to the download, using the
filename as label)

and the optional addition
»You can find the optional downloads on the left.« (only shown when
there are additional donwloads (langpacks/helppacks, other
source-packages), but not for e.g. the SDK or the portable version.

Texts on the download page stayed mostly the same, except that the
change system, version or language now is split.

I did pick »Change Language« and  »or change Operating system:« (two
separate strings, since Change Langauge is also the label for a
link, and if it would be one single string, I would not know where to
split it)

Also there is the strings Stable Versions, Pre-Release Versions
and Other versions (hover to show)

But I'm open for feedback on how to present the versions to the
users/whether the testing and other versions should be shown by
default or hidden behind a link, etc.

But the idea is to at least have clickable buttons/links for the
stable codelines.

The last additional string is a replacement text, that is used when
one of the old/additional versions is picked. I.e. for example current
version might not be available as portable version, so for example
there is 4.0.3 portable, but 4.0.3 regular files have already been
moved to the archive since 4.0.4 is available. So when version 4.0.3
is selected, no big-download-buttons are shown, but instead:

No regular installation files are available.
Please change your selection or pick one from the additional downloads below.

If you're looking for old versions, please visit our downloadarchive.
(downloadarchive is again a link.)

But the Portable version will show up in the bottom-part with the
additional downloads.

Don't hesitate with feedback/in case there are any questions.

ciao
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[libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hey guys

I just realized the download page after you click and begin your download,
there is no way to choose a mirror if the one that is chosen for you based
on geoip is offline. would it be possible to inform the users along the
lines

your download will commece from URL of mirror click here to choose a
different mirror.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 08:30:

I just realized the download page after you click and begin your download,
there is no way to choose a mirror if the one that is chosen for you based
on geoip is offline. would it be possible to inform the users along the
lines

your download will commece from URL of mirror click here to choose a
different mirror.


at the moment, none of our sites provide mirror selection, to not 
confuse the users.


What we still need to implement, though, is a selection of other 
downloads (Do you also want to have the language pack?).


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Jonathan Aquilina]

 What we still need to implement, though, is a selection of other downloads
 (Do you also want to have the language pack?).


What would this entail to get this implemented?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 09:32:

What would this entail to get this implemented?


I am working together with Christian to get it done.

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Ok no problem :)


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flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hi,

 Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 09:32:

  What would this entail to get this implemented?


 I am working together with Christian to get it done.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page suggestion

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Jonathan, *,

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
eagles051...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey guys

 I just realized the download page after you click and begin your download,
 there is no way to choose a mirror if the one that is chosen for you based
 on geoip is offline.

Well - impossible to track this szenario, as it would mean spying on
the user's connection - there are multiple reasons why connection to a
specific mirror, one is the use of proxies, another is routing
problems, etc.

 would it be possible to inform the users along the
 lines

 your download will commece from URL of mirror click here to choose a
 different mirror.

Yes, that would be possible. (And note that you can get a mirror-list
when using the info link in the download-buttons)

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page issue

[Olivier Hallot]

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Hi Christian

Em 05-04-2013 10:08, Christian Lohmaier escreveu:
 Hi Olivier, *,
 
 On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Olivier Hallot
 olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 The download page has a logic to add text on releases .0 and .1 . It works.

 On release .2 and above, the text is not shown, but there is a section
 in the page for more text.
 
 No - that is the basic text-entry for the page - and if nl-teams just
 did change the page-type without clearing the content, displaying the
 content will add lot of spam to the page...

I see.

 
 Can we have a logic to display the remaining text on releases above .2 ?
 
 It certainly is possible - either in addition (always) or as
 alternaive if neither of the .0 or .1 entries are specified.

Whichever is the easiest and safest.

 
 But before I make that change, I'd like to have the following clarified:
 
 * are NL-Teams prepared? I.e. do you have the content entry box
 cleared of  any previous content / is what you have written there OK
 to be added to the DL-Page?

I guess you can add then a 4th edit box, after .1 release and keep the
last edit box undisplayed, so it won't disturb the NL teams.


 * Do you want the text from the content box to be always displayed or
 only when neither .0 nor .1 is applied?

In my case, only when neither .0 nor .1 is applied.

 
 ciao
 Christian
 

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[libreoffice-website] Download page issue

[Olivier Hallot]

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Hi

The download page has a logic to add text on releases .0 and .1 . It works.

On release .2 and above, the text is not shown, but there is a section
in the page for more text.

Can we have a logic to display the remaining text on releases above .2 ?

Thanks
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[libreoffice-website] Download page: wrong platform autodetection

[Antanas Budriūnas]

Hello,

the main download page shows 'rpm' version instead of 'deb' (Chromium
24.0.1312.56 Ubuntu 12.04).

Using Mozilla Firefox 18.0.2 detection is correct – 'deb' in this case.

Congratulations on the occasion of the LibreOffice 4.0!


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: wrong platform autodetection

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Antanas,

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Antanas Budriūnas antan...@gmail.com wrote:

 the main download page shows 'rpm' version instead of 'deb' (Chromium
 24.0.1312.56 Ubuntu 12.04).

Very likely there is nothing in the browser's info strings that could
guess the website correctly...

Please visit the downloadpage and have chromium display the sourcecode
(ctrl+u)
search for »typography« (with the  quotes as to match the div and
not stylesheets), or just scroll down to around line 75

There's a html-comment listing the User-Agent string that is used to
determine the OS, architecture as well as deb/rpm..

If there's something that leads to the conclusion that it is from a
deb-based distro, then the detection can be adjusted. If it is just a
generic one, then the default will be used (and that is rpm)

 Using Mozilla Firefox 18.0.2 detection is correct – 'deb' in this case.

very likely that mentions ubuntu in the user-agent string, while
chormium doesn't...

ciao
Chrsitian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: wrong platform autodetection

[Antanas Budriūnas]

Hi Christian,

2013/2/8 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com:
 Hi Antanas,

 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Antanas Budriūnas antan...@gmail.com wrote:

 the main download page shows 'rpm' version instead of 'deb' (Chromium
 24.0.1312.56 Ubuntu 12.04).

 Very likely there is nothing in the browser's info strings that could
 guess the website correctly...

 Please visit the downloadpage and have chromium display the sourcecode
 (ctrl+u)
 search for typography (with the  quotes as to match the div and
 not stylesheets), or just scroll down to around line 75

 There's a html-comment listing the User-Agent string that is used to
 determine the OS, architecture as well as deb/rpm..

 If there's something that leads to the conclusion that it is from a
 deb-based distro, then the detection can be adjusted. If it is just a
 generic one, then the default will be used (and that is rpm)

 Using Mozilla Firefox 18.0.2 detection is correct - 'deb' in this case.

 very likely that mentions ubuntu in the user-agent string, while
 chormium doesn't...

Exactly. Chromium did not mentions ubuntu and returns wrong type:rpm-x86
Thanks for clarifying this.


Antanas

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[libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Cor Nouws]

Hi all,

Italo Vignoli wrote (18-10-12 18:18)


LibreOffice 3.5.7 is available for immediate download from the following
link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.


I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
So there is something wrong with some script?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Italo Vignoli]

On 10/19/12 12:14 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

 I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
 So there is something wrong with some script?

Unfortunately, I cannot help here.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 10/19/12 12:14 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

  I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
  So there is something wrong with some script?

 Unfortunately, I cannot help here.


We are looking into this. Thanks for pointing it out


Regards,
Joel


P.S. Right now 3.6.2 is still listed under pre-release

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Joel Madero]

On 10/18/2012 03:14 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi all,

Italo Vignoli wrote (18-10-12 18:18)


LibreOffice 3.5.7 is available for immediate download from the following
link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.


I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
So there is something wrong with some script?

Ciao,


By default we're still offering 3.5.x series to users. This is the most 
stable of our releases. Because of the LibO conference which is 
currently going on in Berlin, we've been a bit crunched for time. We're 
going to give 3.5.7 a couple days and then we'll put out an announcement 
that 3.6.2 is final and then it will be available as an alternative when 
you click on the link which reads:


Change System, Version or Language 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?nodetect


Currently it is listed as a pre-release but it will be the same version 
that is the stable release when the announcement happens in a few days.



Hope that helps, apologies for the confusion.


Regards,
Joel



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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[klaus-jürgen weghorn ol]

Hi Joel,
Am 19.10.2012 07:32, schrieb Joel Madero:

On 10/18/2012 03:14 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi all,

Italo Vignoli wrote (18-10-12 18:18)


LibreOffice 3.5.7 is available for immediate download from the following
link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.


I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
So there is something wrong with some script?

Ciao,


By default we're still offering 3.5.x series to users. This is the most
stable of our releases. Because of the LibO conference which is
currently going on in Berlin, we've been a bit crunched for time. We're
going to give 3.5.7 a couple days and then we'll put out an announcement
that 3.6.2 is final and then it will be available as an alternative when
you click on the link which reads:


3.6.2 *is* a released version. So there is no need to announce it. I 
think you mean 3.6.3.




Change System, Version or Language
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?nodetect

Currently it is listed as a pre-release but it will be the same version
that is the stable release when the announcement happens in a few days.


Yes, there are two versions which are announced as pre-released:

3.6.2 and 3.6.3

Have a look at:
http://de.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=de


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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page ... Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.7

[Joel Madero]

On 10/18/2012 10:48 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote:

Hi Joel,
Am 19.10.2012 07:32, schrieb Joel Madero:

On 10/18/2012 03:14 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi all,

Italo Vignoli wrote (18-10-12 18:18)

LibreOffice 3.5.7 is available for immediate download from the 
following

link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/.


I would expect that page to offer 3.6.2 ..?
So there is something wrong with some script?

Ciao,


By default we're still offering 3.5.x series to users. This is the most
stable of our releases. Because of the LibO conference which is
currently going on in Berlin, we've been a bit crunched for time. We're
going to give 3.5.7 a couple days and then we'll put out an announcement
that 3.6.2 is final and then it will be available as an alternative when
you click on the link which reads:


3.6.2 *is* a released version. So there is no need to announce it. I 
think you mean 3.6.3.




Change System, Version or Language
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?nodetect

Currently it is listed as a pre-release but it will be the same version
that is the stable release when the announcement happens in a few days.


Yes, there are two versions which are announced as pre-released:

3.6.2 and 3.6.3

Have a look at:
http://de.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=de


That's the point, we shouldn't have 3.6.2 as a pre-release. So we'll be 
moving that under stable soon (few days).



Regards,
Joel

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[libreoffice-website] Download page: warning text script logic

[Olivier Hallot]

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Hi

The DL page was tweaked to let us warn users on dot-zero releases and
dot-N releases.

I filled the dot-N space with some text and images, and it worked OK
with 3.6.1

But they vanished in 3.6.2. at least for pt-BR.  Can we put the dot-N
text back, for N1?

Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Erich Christian]

Hi,

Am 04.06.2012 16:58, schrieb Jan Holesovsky:
 On 2012-06-04 at 14:57 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 [4 DL buttons] 
 Can anybody fix that ASAP, please?
 Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

 Great, thank you a lot, works!  Please, is it version-controlled
 somewhere, in order to be able to come up with a patch?

Code is here
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/tree/master/mysite/code
but not up to date.

cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on 2012-06-03 20:24:

There are a lot of automatic coding and file selections going on in the
background.  If one small bit of the page gets messed with improper
statements, it could generate the errors that we are seeing right now.


since I'm on the road for three days now, I've texted Christian 
Lohmaier, who hopefully is able to help.


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Thorsten Behrens]

Jan Holesovsky wrote:
 I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
 the download buttons twice and has a warning that This is a
 pre-release version not meant for genereal use. (at least does that
 for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
 fix that ASAP, please?
 
Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

Cheers,

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Antanas Budriūnas]

2012/6/4 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org:
 Jan Holesovsky wrote:
 I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
 the download buttons twice and has a warning that This is a
 pre-release version not meant for genereal use. (at least does that
 for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
 fix that ASAP, please?

 Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

Indeed. It's fixed. Congratulations!


Antanas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Jan Holesovsky]

Hi Thorsten,

On 2012-06-04 at 14:57 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

  I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
  the download buttons twice and has a warning that This is a
  pre-release version not meant for genereal use. (at least does that
  for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
  fix that ASAP, please?
  
 Should be fixed now - please poke me if not.

Great, thank you a lot, works!  Please, is it version-controlled
somewhere, in order to be able to come up with a patch?

Thank you,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Thorsten Behrens]

Jan Holesovsky wrote:
 Great, thank you a lot, works!  Please, is it version-controlled
 somewhere, in order to be able to come up with a patch?
 
Yep, it is - git://github.com/tdf/cms-code.git - 

mysite/code/DownloadSimplePage.php has the gist of it.

Cheers,

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[libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[Jan Holesovsky]

Hi there,

I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
the download buttons twice and has a warning that This is a
pre-release version not meant for genereal use. (at least does that
for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
fix that ASAP, please?

Thank you,
Kendy

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page shows the buttons twice

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

YES we noticed and some one if trying to figure out what happened with 
the page system to display both the stable version and the RC 
pre-release version.  Then having the warning does not help either.  At 
one point, for Debian downloads, it showed not just the main archived 
file to be downloaded, but all of its parts.  That was really confusing, 
since it seemed to indicate that you needed to download the parts 
instead of the archived file of all of the parts.


There are a lot of automatic coding and file selections going on in the 
background.  If one small bit of the page gets messed with improper 
statements, it could generate the errors that we are seeing right now.


On 06/03/2012 02:03 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote:

Hi there,

I have just noticed that http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ shows
the download buttons twice and has a warning that This is a
pre-release version not meant for genereal use. (at least does that
for my language, Czech), even though 3.5.4 is offered.  Can anybody
fix that ASAP, please?

Thank you,
Kendy




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[libreoffice-website] Download page in XXX

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,

I see that a new download page is available - apparently that, 
translated through pootle. What to do to get it in XXX (in my case, in 
Slovak)?
Many languages link the big green Dowload button to the (probably) old 
dowload page, but the Polish version links to a correct translated new 
Download page.


In Polish the Download button (Pobierz LibreOffice) links to 
http://pl.libreoffice.org/pobieranie/, on the Slovak page the button 
(Stiahnuť LibreOffice) links to the English 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/


So, what to do so that the button links to a translated version of the 
new Download page?


We have an old-style download page at 
http://sk.libreoffice.org/stiahnu/  Perhaps this is a conflict and we 
have to delete it.


This is, what the server knows about may browser:

!--
User-Agent:mozilla/5.0 (x11; ubuntu; linux x86_64; rv:12.0) gecko/20100101 
firefox/12.0
Accept-language:sk,en-us;q=0.7,en;q=0.3
type:deb-x86_64
LangCand:sk|en-us|en|x11| ubuntu| linux x86_64| rv:12.0|en_US
lang:sk
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Perhaps related: which version should I get with these settings, if I go 
to http://www.libreoffice.org? The English or the Slovak one? I get the 
English one. If I go to http://www.debian.org, I get a Slovak one. So, 
maybe, the problem is here - something in the whole Slovak translation 
is not OK.


Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download-page: Icon for to-be-released 3.4.2 will be info icon (instead of warning as it is with 3.4.1)

[Antanas Budriūnas]

2011/7/29 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com:
 Hi *,

 As 3.4.2 is expected to be available in the next days, it's time to
 prepare the download pages/websites accordingly.

 This is to inform you that the icon that is shown next to the download
 links will be changed from the yellow warning-icon to the blue
 info-icon.

 As many projects use the same icon to mark explanatory text, please
 prepare accordingly, i.e. instead of assigning the class warning to
 your paragraph, apply the information class.

A little correction: warning should be replaced with information
in image source value e. g. src=assets/information.png.


Antanas

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[libreoffice-website] Download-page: Icon for to-be-released 3.4.2 will be info icon (instead of warning as it is with 3.4.1)

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi *,

As 3.4.2 is expected to be available in the next days, it's time to
prepare the download pages/websites accordingly.

This is to inform you that the icon that is shown next to the download
links will be changed from the yellow warning-icon to the blue
info-icon.

As many projects use the same icon to mark explanatory text, please
prepare accordingly, i.e. instead of assigning the class warning to
your paragraph, apply the information class.

http://website.libreoffice.org/silverstripe/styles-you-can-use/

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Cor Nouws]

Christian Lohmaier wrote (04-06-11 03:36)

Ah, such a small change can be done by myself :-)


Super :-)


Added you as author - if you want to be publisher, let me know..


Thanks. Sometimes small annoyances are better cured by myself than 
finding words to ask others.


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[libreoffice-website] Download page too verbose?

[Marc Paré]

I am not to sure about the Download page. I find it too verbose. We need 
to make it as simple as possible for users to download our product.


If I were a new user, I would find the page confusing as there are 2 
Final choices to pick from and because of this, a new user would have 
to read up on the look at the release notes pages to make a decision. 
Most users would come to this page with the simple expectation of 
downloading LibreOffice and not to read up on release notes. They are 
looking for a solid product and normally not an experimental product.


I also think we should review the idea of offering by default the LibO 
3.4 version. IMO, we should be offering the default rock solid 3.3.x 
series rather than the still unproven 3.4 version. People downloading 
the 3.4 version should really be the ones reading up on the release 
notes and the possible list of bugs associated with that version -- they 
would expect to read up on notes to this version.


People downloading the rock-solid 3.3.x should not have to feel like 
they have to make the extra effort at downloading our star product.


We should also replace the this in LibreOffice is distributed under 
this licence. to LibreOffice is distributed under the LGPL license. 
We need to have people get used to seeing our license in type rather 
than as a suggestion. I would also suggest this sentence being posted 
under the download links. As a resulting effect, this will move the 
whole series of download links up in the window. The link should also 
not open another window/tab and rather stay in the same window -- I 
think this is what is normal W3C behaviour.


If possible, would it be possible to see an example of another dropdown 
menu window on the left hand side of the OS version or we could go to 
something like this[1] on the Adobe site. I have made a mockup of my 
suggestion[2] with all of the other points incorporated in the image.



So IMO we need to:

* change the default download from 3.4 to 3.3.x
* change the LibreOffice is distributed under this license. to LGPL
* move this licensing sentence below the download links
* add another dropdown window on the left-hand side
* shorten the verbose links for the release notes (as in mockup)

Just my opinion.

Marc

[1] http://get.adobe.com/fr/reader/otherversions/
[2] http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/download3menuwin.png


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page too verbose?

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Marc, all!

Am Freitag, den 03.06.2011, 10:00 -0400 schrieb Marc Paré:
 If possible, would it be possible to see an example of another
 dropdown 
 menu window on the left hand side of the OS version or we could go to 
 something like this[1] on the Adobe site. I have made a mockup of my 
 suggestion[2] with all of the other points incorporated in the image. 

Yes, the page is a bit crowded now ... and I'd like to bring up a
proposal made a few days ago:
http://go.mail-archive.com/Z7cGY5OP5jJtA-jgEVa_dmD4Fv4=

More or less...

Am 23.05.2011 15:49, schrieb Christoph Noack:
  Mmh, the adopt-o-meter shows it nicely (which is good), but the
  decision
  itself has to be done by the user (how to select the desired LibO
  version, where do I find it, ...).
 
  Can this be somehow aligned with the download selector on the
website?
  Something like:
 * Official Release, for home and office use --  default
 * Highly stable, for corporate use
 * Newest Features, for early adopters
 
  So, the users may decide - but don't need to. And the decision to go 
  for
  (e.g.) stability is directly tied to a certain version - no
additional
  lookups.

Cheers,
Christoph


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[libreoffice-website] Download page: little addition pls

[Cor Nouws]

Hi,

IMO the current download page is OK, and the best that could be done in 
the current time frame.
Offering both versions on page, prevents that people easily oversee that 
there is a choice. Especially since the point-zero is for early 
adaptors, that would be bad.
One remark though: IMO it ís necessary to also state in words that the 
3.4.0 *is for early adaptors*. The exclamation mark in itself is not 
clear enough, neither the suggestion that one might want to read the 
release notes.


If there are no objections, could someone pls add that few words, or 
grant me rights for that part of the website?


Thanks,
Cor

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[libreoffice-website] download page is HS

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Hi,

Script in download page does not work anymore.

Best regards
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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page is HS

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote on 2011-01-28 09.12:

Script in download page does not work anymore.


the page works again. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Florian

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[libreoffice-website] download page issue on spanish site

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

Hi, I'm getting some problems trying to include dropdown lists in download
page, text editor cut html code up resulting in some kind of tag cloud.

Any hint?


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Re: [libreoffice-website] download page issue on spanish site

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Daniel,

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, I'm getting some problems trying to include dropdown lists in download
 page, text editor cut html code up resulting in some kind of tag cloud.

Yes, creation of arbitrary html is not allowed. For Forms, you can use
the User Defined Form page type, for more complicated stuff, you
need to explain what you need, so that the functionality can be added
to the underlying code (i.e. cannot be done by the UI alone).

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Download page - List of languages for rc3

[Andras Timar]

Hi,

I'm not sure you know, just for the record:

- kid (Koshin) has been removed
+ ast (Asturian) has been added
+ ca-XV (Calalan (Valencian)) has been added

The list of languages that 'multi installer' supports has been changed.
The following languages will be included into Windows multi installer
from rc3:

en-US,ar,ast,be-BY,bg,bn,bo,br,ca,ca-XV,cs,da,de,dz,el,en-GB,es,et,eu,fi,fr,gl,gu,he,hi,hr,hu,is,it,ja,km,kn,ko,lt,lv,mr,nb,nl,oc,om,or,pl,pt,pt-BR,ru,sh,si,sk,sl,sr,sv,te,tr,ug,vi,zh-CN,zh-TW


Best regards,
Andras

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page - List of languages for rc3

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Andreas, *,

2011/1/13 Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com:

 I'm not sure you know, just for the record:

Yes, did know, but thanks for the reminder nevertheless

The script has been adjusted accordingly

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Goran, *,

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net wrote:
 There is an error on the new download page. In the LibO, as well as in
 the OOo, sh locale code is used for Serbian Latin language and should
 say srpski latinicom.

Thanks, changed.

 It will be the best to place it out of order
 just under the sr locale code, if possible.

Also thanks for this - I accidentally reverted the sort-by-iso code...
So while not directly under sr, it will be more close together again
now. (four others in between)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Danishka, *,

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier 
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote:
 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 [sorting of the languagedropdown on download-page]
 please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country)
 that is the part not localized

 for example;

 si-LK  is the langcode for Sinhala
 if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there language
 as the langcode order and every lancode is redable.

But the question is: Will people know what the iso-code for their language is?

 as we all know the web site is going to be localized.
 So, in the English content page default package should be English.

The default is whatever the browser's language is, the default is not
tied to the locale of the page.
The browser's UI usually reflect the UI preference of the user,...

 Hope you got my point :)

I hope you get mine as well (for the user there should be no need to
switch to another language hopefully - if detection fails, then please
tell me so). The user definitely knows the name of the language, but
might not know the iso-code.

And for people who want to download more than one language, I suggest
to expand the list below the selection (which then is sorted by
iso-code)

In the end, it is only a small change, I hoped that other people would
post their opinion on this..

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Danishka Navin]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Christian Lohmaier 
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi Danishka, *,

 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier 
  lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com
 lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comlohmaier%252booofut...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
  On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  [sorting of the languagedropdown on download-page]
  please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country)
  that is the part not localized
 
  for example;
 
  si-LK  is the langcode for Sinhala
  if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there
 language
  as the langcode order and every lancode is redable.

 But the question is: Will people know what the iso-code for their language
 is?

  as we all know the web site is going to be localized.
  So, in the English content page default package should be English.

 The default is whatever the browser's language is, the default is not
 tied to the locale of the page.
 The browser's UI usually reflect the UI preference of the user,...

  Hope you got my point :)




Just write down the list in order by language code
and compare it with the existing one

understanding of the langcode is not required.

for example,

if you want to get either slovanian or sinhala you can just type 'S' then
list will move to langcodes start with Sinhala
then you can see your language is around there.

this will work for many languages.



 I hope you get mine as well (for the user there should be no need to
 switch to another language hopefully - if detection fails, then please
 tell me so). The user definitely knows the name of the language, but
 might not know the iso-code.


in my language Unicode is not use in every where its still promoting100%

the best solution is to remove this dropdown list and just show a a table
like in Mozilla or in OO.o
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html

01 detect your systems locale and prompt relevant Libo package
if not let them to select from a table

check this out
getfirefox.com  'Other Systems and
Languageshttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html
'
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html


 And for people who want to download more than one language, I suggest
 to expand the list below the selection (which then is sorted by
 iso-code)

 In the end, it is only a small change, I hoped that other people would
 post their opinion on this..

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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Hi Danishka, *,

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote:

 It would be better if we can set the dropdown menu for 'locales'  in
 alphabetical order.

Well - it is in alphabetical order, but taking the native localename
as sort-key.

 en-US should be in the default value

Sorry, don't understand what you mean. Do you mean your browser is set
to accept en-US, but it is not preselected? Or do I misunderstand?

 but once click on the drop-down it
 should list all locales in an order.

It does - *E*nglish comes after *D*eutsch, but before *I*rish for example.

The reason not to sort by iso-locale was that someone remarked that
people usually don't know what this is about.

 http://test.libreoffice.org/download/

The expandable lists below are sorted by ISO-identifier, thus when you
expand LibreOffice, the productivity suite, then for example Mac PPC
→ Languagepacks, you'll see the list sorted by iso

If more people think it should be sorted by iso in the dropdown, I'll
change it back to sort by iso - I don't have a strong opinion on it.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Danishka Navin]

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Christian Lohmaier 
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi Danishka, *,

 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  It would be better if we can set the dropdown menu for 'locales'  in
  alphabetical order.

 Well - it is in alphabetical order, but taking the native localename
 as sort-key.

please do not take the locale name but localcode (lang-Country)
that is the part not localized

for example;

si-LK  is the langcode for Sinhala
if we set the dropdown by order of langcode every one can see there language
as the langcode order and every lancode is redable.

according to my request Arabic, African  and Any Lang code start with 'a'
should be in top of the list.

as we all know the web site is going to be localized.
So, in the English content page default package should be English.

Hope you got my point :)



  en-US should be in the default value

 Sorry, don't understand what you mean. Do you mean your browser is set
 to accept en-US, but it is not preselected? Or do I misunderstand?

  but once click on the drop-down it
  should list all locales in an order.

 It does - *E*nglish comes after *D*eutsch, but before *I*rish for example.

 The reason not to sort by iso-locale was that someone remarked that
 people usually don't know what this is about.

  http://test.libreoffice.org/download/

 The expandable lists below are sorted by ISO-identifier, thus when you
 expand LibreOffice, the productivity suite, then for example Mac PPC
 → Languagepacks, you'll see the list sorted by iso

 If more people think it should be sorted by iso in the dropdown, I'll
 change it back to sort by iso - I don't have a strong opinion on it.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Charles Marcus]

On 2010-12-07 8:05 PM, Carlos Jenkins wrote:
 That's not true, and already discussed on this threat. I'm on Debian and my
 user agent doesn't include nothing about Debian, please put
 more attention to the thread the next time before talking.

Would it be possible for systems that are not fully identifiable, to add
a button 'Determine My Distro', that initiates a system command (like
'uname -a' or something), of course warning the user what will happen
beforehand... ?

If not, why not just ask the user: We have detected that you are
running [Linux][xBSD][whatever], but cannot determine the Distribution -
please select from the list, or enter it here:

And/or then present the user with a list of choices, one of them being
'I know what I'm doing, let me pick from the available packages'

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[libreoffice-website] Download page

[Danishka Navin]

Hi,

It would be better if we can set the dropdown menu for 'locales'  in
alphabetical order.
en-US should be in the default value but once click on the drop-down it
should list all locales in an order.

http://test.libreoffice.org/download/

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page changed?

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Stefan, *,

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 Am 07.12.2010 07:31, schrieb Stefan Weigel:

 Sorry, I can´t translate this particular page, because I do not see
 how its content is managed.

Well - it is automatically generated, thus it doesn't make sense to
duplicate it in the editor window... In the current form it is just
appended to the content from the editor window

 I do not see the published content or
 any code that produces the content in edit mode. And I do not see
 the published contentor any code that produces the content in HTML
 view of the editor, either.

The code that generates the actual list is here:
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/code/DownloadPage.php

The result is turned into HTML by this:
https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes/blob/master/tdf/templates/Layout/DownloadPage.ss

The javascript that creates the filtered output is here:
https://github.com/tdf/cms-code/blob/master/mysite/javascript/download.js
(but that one is visible from the site as well)

I'm not sure what is the best way to translate it yet. Either by using
hidden paragraphs or divs with the strings and fetch them from there,
or if it is wanted to display strings from different languages from
within the string by calling a different function of the controller
and add it on-the-fly.
Or with the silverstripe way of translating strings (i.e. using the
equivalent of po files in the cms itself
http://api.silverstripe.org/2.4/sapphire/misc/i18n.html#class_details
i.e. using  ss.i18n._t('MyEntity.MyNamespace','My default natural
language value');
in the script or just _t(...) in the template.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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2010/12/8 Christian Lohmaier
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 Hi Carol

It's Carlos, fuck, second time :S

Jesus Christ Lohmaier

I give you the same advice that you were giving me: Read throught the
 thread, then you'd have known that my solution (and the one from
 Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.

 http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

And does it awfull, it's this kind of interfaces just sucks.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Seb]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Stefan,

 2010/12/8 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org

 I would never consider showing a selection of distros Debian,
 Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, openSUSE rather than a
 selection of package types Windows, Mac x86, Mac PPC, Linux x86 rpm,
 Linux x86 deb, Linux 64 bit rpm, Linux 64 bit deb.


 You have a good point. But I hope some day LibreOffice will be in a lot of
 distros, we're aiming to become the default OfficeSuite for the mayor, if
 not all, the Linux Distributions out there. Please check the Banshee website
 and how the Download section behave:

 http://banshee.fm/download/

I'm pretty sure his point was exactly the opposite of the banshee download page.


 We need also, analyse the download widget from a user perspective, a list
 box with options, if quick for people who know what to do,
 it's absolutely not good for normal users.

I disagree. The vast majority of people in the world are indeed
capable of making a choice when presented with a simple question.

It's one thing to guide a user in making the appropriate and another
to make a choice for them.

 I know, if you ask for Ubuntu a
 lot users if they need to choose deb or rpm, they will not know, cause they
 use Ubuntu Software Center to install things (and again my first point).

Sure that's why you try to guide to the DEB file.

Don't get me wrong though. I actually like the banshee download page.
It's the second step I don't like. The process gives me instruction
while I specifically came to the page to Download something.

 And as Marc Paré stated nor they will know if 32bits or 64bits.

 Seb said:
 They are 3 possible answer DEB, RPM or Neither.

 Yes, for now, we hope in the future we have instructions per distros like
 the Banshee site. Also we need to jungle with +arch, +lang, +download
 method, so it's a little more complex. But I think Samuel is on the right
 track.

No. There really are only 3 possibilities. Most popular distros use
RPM or DEB. And others use something specific to that distro in which
case the probably want the source anyway.

If you use a distro that uses deb or rpm you download the file, double
click on it, then the install starts. Simple. And everyone is familiar
with that. because that's how it's done on every major operating
system. Download, double click, install.

And for the those who don't have RPM or DEB. Well don't worry about
them because they know what they are doing. In fact the last thing
they probably want is a piece of Javascript telling them what to do.

As far as architectures go. The OO.o code is not exactly a success
story as far as ports go. I don't think we need to worry about that
just yet.

Language is trivial. I'm almost 100% sure that people know what
language they speak and can select it from a list. And keep it a list
because people often do install their office suite in a diffrent
language. For example I am a French speaking Canadian but I was born
in an bilingual part of Canada. As such I run most software in English
but my office suite in French.

Download method is also trivial. There can only be one.

In any case we have half of use that wants the distro thing and other
want the package thing. So lets compromise and do a bit of both.

See attached image.

SEB.
PS: selecting other would add an extra step to choose between DEB, RPM
and Source.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Carol, *.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com wrote:
 Again, for Christian:

 [Debian] Chrome

Chrome is not default browser in debian. It's not even in official repositories.
(at least I couldn't find it at packages.debian.org

 [Debian] Iceweasel

Iceweasel is debian only anyway. No rpm based distro has a browser
named iceweasel

That it isn't taking iceweasel into account yet is a minor flaw in the
script, and then even cuts more share of deb away from the
undetected ones.

 [Ubuntu] SeaMonkey

Wow, what a deal. You found corner cases of users not using the
default browser(s) of the distro. There will *always* be exceptions of
the rule

But again those cases are irrelevant when writing The whole world
uses ubuntu, thus the fallbacks hould be deb.

Those who use ubuntu, use vast majority of those at least use the
default browser in ubuntu which identifies itself as being ubuntu.

The examples you give only state that:
Debian users who use chrome are not detected (but honestly, how many
debian users will use chrome?)
Ubuntu users who use Seamonkey will not be detected. But again: How
big is the share of Seamonkey users of all ubuntu users?

And: Don't you think that people who're not using the browser that is
installed by default, even go to the point in adding extra
repositories to their system are advanced enough to manually select
the package format?

Again: Only the unclear case counts. And if Ubuntu and debian users
can easily be detected (when using default browsers), than those
users, no matter how much, don't come into the equation anymore. As
simple as that.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Carol

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, as I suggested before and Sed did it again, when not detected the
 Script should prompt the user to select the distro, as the Banshee site
 does, and the Opera one too.

I give you the same advice that you were giving me: Read throught the
thread, then you'd have known that my solution (and the one from
Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.

http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Carol

 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, as I suggested before and Sed did it again, when not detected the
 Script should prompt the user to select the distro, as the Banshee site
 does, and the Opera one too.

 I give you the same advice that you were giving me: Read throught the
 thread, then you'd have known that my solution (and the one from
 Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.

 http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

That solution simply pre-selects rpm; does not prompt the user to
select the distro.

However surely it can be improved to do so.




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 Hi,


 Am 08.12.2010 14:15, schrieb Samuel Gómez:

 http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

 That solution simply pre-selects rpm; does not prompt the user to
 select the distro.

 Well it does something automatically. When I visit
 http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3 with Ubuntu it correctly
 preselects

 Linux x86 (deb) de

 and when I visit it with Windows, it correctly preselects Windows.

 However, if I want to download the packages for a different system,
 I am free to select what I want.

 I am fine.

What Carlos and me would like is to prompt a distro selector on the
scenarios when Linux is detected but not the distro.

See the attached drawing.




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

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Hi Samuel, *,

2010/12/8 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:

 http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

 That solution simply pre-selects rpm;

No - it just defaults to rpm when no decision could be made.

  does not prompt the user to
 select the distro.

It does the same as the Opera page does: Tries to guess the right
thing, but still offers the user to choose.
Opera page wrongly detects ubuntu deb (I'm on Mandriva and thus rpm),
but lets me choose mandriva with the controls. The same with the
downloadpage.

I surely don't want a popup-style prompt to force the user click a
dialog away or something.

What the page doesn't do yet, is to check for iceweasel explicitly.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Samuel, *,

 2010/12/8 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:

 http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3

 That solution simply pre-selects rpm;

 No - it just defaults to rpm when no decision could be made.

I did not explain well.

Carlos said:
 when not detected the
 Script should prompt the user to select the distro, as the Banshee site
 does, and the Opera one too.

Then you said:
my solution (and the one from
Stefan before) already does that from the very beginning.

And I wanted to say:
When not detected,
http://test.libreoffice.org/download-3
simply pre-selects rpm.



  does not prompt the user to
 select the distro.

 It does the same as the Opera page does: Tries to guess the right
 thing, but still offers the user to choose.
 Opera page wrongly detects ubuntu deb (I'm on Mandriva and thus rpm),
 but lets me choose mandriva with the controls. The same with the
 downloadpage.

 I surely don't want a popup-style prompt to force the user click a
 dialog away or something.

Me neither. btw I don't think Carlos meant pop-up when he said prompt.

Now, what about this:

If system detection successes, the system prompts a listbox with:
- Windows
- Mac x86
- Mac PPC
- Linux x86 rpm
- Linux x86 deb
- Linux 64 bit rpm
- Linux 64 bit deb

And the right listbox is pre-selected.

Else, if Linux is detected but not the distro, the system prompts a
different listbox and a link.

The listbox is:
- Debian
- Fedora
- Mandriva
- Mint
- PCLinuxOS
- Ubuntu
- openSUSE

The link is:
- Show other versions.

Show other versions leads to the first listbox, but with no
pre-selected option.




 What the page doesn't do yet, is to check for iceweasel explicitly.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi,

Am 08.12.2010 15:11, schrieb Samuel Gómez:

 Now, what about this:
 
 If system detection successes, the system prompts a listbox with:
 - Windows
 - Mac x86
 - Mac PPC
 - Linux x86 rpm
 - Linux x86 deb
 - Linux 64 bit rpm
 - Linux 64 bit deb
 
 And the right listbox is pre-selected.

That´s fine. That´s waht we already have.

 Else, if Linux is detected but not the distro, the system prompts a
 different listbox and a link.
 
 The listbox is:
 - Debian
 - Fedora
 - Mandriva
 - Mint
 - PCLinuxOS
 - Ubuntu
 - openSUSE
 
 The link is:
 - Show other versions.
 
 Show other versions leads to the first listbox, but with no
 pre-selected option.

I would never consider showing a selection of distros Debian,
Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, openSUSE rather than a
selection of package types Windows, Mac x86, Mac PPC, Linux x86 rpm,
Linux x86 deb, Linux 64 bit rpm, Linux 64 bit deb.

But, is that necessary? How often will it be, that the distro will
not be detected? And how often will it be, that the distro will not
be detected *and* the user will not know himself what package type
to choose?

A user, who does not know, if she needs rpm oder deb, is such a user
able to install the software herself, anyway?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 Hi,

 Am 08.12.2010 15:11, schrieb Samuel Gómez:

 Now, what about this:

 If system detection successes, the system prompts a listbox with:
 - Windows
 - Mac x86
 - Mac PPC
 - Linux x86 rpm
 - Linux x86 deb
 - Linux 64 bit rpm
 - Linux 64 bit deb

 And the right listbox is pre-selected.

 That´s fine. That´s waht we already have.

 Else, if Linux is detected but not the distro, the system prompts a
 different listbox and a link.

 The listbox is:
 - Debian
 - Fedora
 - Mandriva
 - Mint
 - PCLinuxOS
 - Ubuntu
 - openSUSE

 The link is:
 - Show other versions.

 Show other versions leads to the first listbox, but with no
 pre-selected option.

 I would never consider showing a selection of distros Debian,
 Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, openSUSE rather than a
 selection of package types Windows, Mac x86, Mac PPC, Linux x86 rpm,
 Linux x86 deb, Linux 64 bit rpm, Linux 64 bit deb.

 But, is that necessary? How often will it be, that the distro will
 not be detected? And how often will it be, that the distro will not
 be detected *and* the user will not know himself what package type
 to choose?

That's the question.

I think we have to know whether there are popular distros out there
not identifying themselves through the browsers of their repositories.

If there are not, people with no distro in the user agent probably
will have installed the browser themselves, so they will probably know
which package they need.

But if there are, then the distro selector becomes significantly useful.




 A user, who does not know, if she needs rpm oder deb, is such a user
 able to install the software herself, anyway?

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Seb]

It think we are making this much hard than it could be.

They are 3 possible answer DEB, RPM or Neither.

So if you can detect you default to the right package.

If you cannot detect, are not sure you detected right, or you detect
something that does not use deb or rpm. You default to select your
pacakge.

Also the source package in tar.gz need to be an option. Gentoo and
slackware users for example will probably want that choice.

If you are worried about people that don't know. Put a small link
above the box. I need help selecting the right package!
Set the link to display a box on hover.
If you are using Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, Xandros, etc.
You should try the .deb package
If you are using Red hat, CentOS, Fedora, Suse, OpenSuse, Mandriva
etc. You should try the .deb package
If you are using Gentoo, Mandrake or another distribute you may want
to use the source package.

(People usually at least know which distro they have. It's usually
pretty clear because of the big  bright logo at boot. :) )

This can be followed by the language selection box.

Then by 2 checkboxes.
-64bit
-torrent

Seb.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page changed?

[Stefan Weigel]

Hallo Christian,

Am 07.12.2010 07:31, schrieb Stefan Weigel:

 https://test.libreoffice.org/download-3/
 
 Prima! :-)
 
 I vote for renaming it to http://.../download/ and linking it in the
 menu.

Ok, this has happened now.

 I will be happy to again rebuild the german translation for it
 then.

Sorry, I can´t translate this particular page, because I do not see
how its content is managed. I do not see the published content or
any code that produces the content in edit mode. And I do not see
the published contentor any code that produces the content in HTML
view of the editor, either.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

El 6 de diciembre de 2010 13:13, Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.comescribió:

 See:
 http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/package-negotiation.js


Samuel I see the script much better!


 OK now, I took the most popular distros from
 http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
 and made this:

if (ua.indexOf('Ubuntu')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Mint')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Debian')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Arch')  -1)return 'deb';

if (ua.indexOf('Fedora')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('SUSE')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('PCLinuxOS')  -1 ||
ua.indexOf('Mandriva')  -1)return 'rpm';

 Does anyone know if any of these package manager associations is wrong?

Don't know either, but it looks good.

And, about the user agent infixes, I'm not sure of it for Arch. I'd
 say the rest are OK.

Now we need just to test it. Can you provide an URL for a HTML document with
that associated JS to ask people to test it please :D


 Thank you!

Thanks to you!

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Carlos Jenkins]

2010/12/7 Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com

 Hi,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
  http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html

Thanks Samuel.


  I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
 recommendation for me was deb/x86.
 The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
 the right choice for me.

 I'm using chromium browser if this is important.

Thanks Sigrid, could you provide the User Agent listed on that page please,
just after It works based on your user agent string, which in your case
is 

My recommendation was x86/deb so everything is ok, both on Chromium and
Firefox

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hi Samuel,

2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera 
 sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
  On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins hastciber...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 [...]

  http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html

 I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
 recommendation for me was deb/x86.
 The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
 the right choice for me.

 I'm using chromium browser if this is important.


 Thank you!

 What's your user agent? (you'll find it under It works based on your user
 agent string, which in your case is)

I just copied the whole line:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.2 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/6.0.454.0 Safari/534.2

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Samuel Gómez]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Sigrid Carrera 
sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Samuel,

 2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
  On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Sigrid Carrera 
  sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
   On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Carlos Jenkins 
 hastciber...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  [...]
 
   http://vipinnova.com/libreoffice/download/client-test.html
 
  I went to this website, clicked on the demo button and the
  recommendation for me was deb/x86.
  The architecture was correct, but since I'm using Mandriva, deb isn't
  the right choice for me.
 
  I'm using chromium browser if this is important.
 
 
  Thank you!
 
  What's your user agent? (you'll find it under It works based on your
 user
  agent string, which in your case is)

 I just copied the whole line:


(yes yes)



 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.2 (KHTML, like
 Gecko) Chrome/6.0.454.0 Safari/534.2


OK. There it is. From  your user agent we can say you are using linux 32 bit
but not which distro. For this scenario the function guesses Ubuntu, so it
returns 'deb'.

The decision of guessing Ubuntu is purely statistical. Not religious. ;D

How could we gather more clues about the distro for these scenarios? If only
I knew.





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Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Samuel, *,

2010/12/7 Samuel Gómez fuljen...@gmail.com:
 [...]
 What's your user agent? (you'll find it under It works based on your user
 agent string, which in your case is)

Change the default to rpm instead of deb, that should give more
suitable fallback anyway.

https://test.libreoffice.org/download-3/

ciao
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