[whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
The current version of Minefield (the pre-3.1 nightlies) has Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora support. You can try these out using Wikimedia Commons video: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Video The current MediaWiki video code defaults to everything else first, but load the video then select More ... and you should see the option to try it out, report bugs, etc. Is the video tag doing Ogg Theora in Opera yet? I'm sure Apple and Nokia can join the party at their leisure. - d.
Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
David Gerard schrieb: Is the video tag doing Ogg Theora in Opera yet? In experimental builds, yes. I'm sure Apple and Nokia can join the party at their leisure. I assume the latest move by Mozilla (which I think is great, obviously) won't do anything to address the IP concerns of mentioned players. Safari can play back Ogg content with XiphQT installed thanks to being based on QuickTime. A simple click to install 3rd-party components would basically ensure a reasonably reliable cross-browser media compatibility, but it would of course be Apple's decision to implement something like this. Maik
Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
2008/7/31 Maik Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Gerard schrieb: I'm sure Apple and Nokia can join the party at their leisure. I assume the latest move by Mozilla (which I think is great, obviously) won't do anything to address the IP concerns of mentioned players. The IP concerns are blatant FUD and it's ridiculous to describe them in any other terms. - d.
Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
David Gerard schrieb: I'm sure Apple and Nokia can join the party at their leisure. I assume the latest move by Mozilla (which I think is great, obviously) won't do anything to address the IP concerns of mentioned players. The IP concerns are blatant FUD and it's ridiculous to describe them in any other terms. - d. Seconded. However I believe this debate has run its course previously. At least I haven't heard any news to the contrary. I think we all knew Mozilla would support Ogg regardless of the final spec. I am curious about the status of Dirac support though, since it was apparently finalised in January. Is this being planned? Would any other vendors care to comment on Dirac? Shannon
Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
David Gerard schrieb: The IP concerns are blatant FUD and it's ridiculous to describe them in any other terms. While I do agree that the IP concerns may actually be blown out of proportion (after all the current state of being in a limbo, leaving the field completely to proprietary technology like Flash video, may backfire more than taking the unspecified risk of IP troubles inherent to any technology) yelling at Apple and Nokia most likely won't resolve the situation by itself. Perhaps it makes sense to discuss ways to make installation of 3rd party media components as easy as one simple click to ensure a reasonably user-friendly cross-platform media experience. A common baseline codec built into user agents would of course be a nicer solution, but from what I understand little progress has been made on that topic. So perhaps let's make progress on a nearly-just-as-good solution. Maik
Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
2008/7/31 Maik Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Gerard schrieb: The IP concerns are blatant FUD and it's ridiculous to describe them in any other terms. While I do agree that the IP concerns may actually be blown out of proportion (after all the current state of being in a limbo, leaving the field completely to proprietary technology like Flash video, may backfire more than taking the unspecified risk of IP troubles inherent to any technology) yelling at Apple and Nokia most likely won't resolve the situation by itself. Ignoring IE, Firefox 3.1 will have this Just Work. So, as I said, it'll be a process of them deciding whether there are business reasons to come along at their leisure. Perhaps it makes sense to discuss ways to make installation of 3rd party media components as easy as one simple click to ensure a reasonably user-friendly cross-platform media experience. A common baseline codec built into user agents would of course be a nicer solution, but from what I understand little progress has been made on that topic. So perhaps let's make progress on a nearly-just-as-good solution. That's an implementation detail on their end, really. - d.
Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
David Gerard schrieb: Ignoring IE, Firefox 3.1 will have this Just Work. So, as I said, it'll be a process of them deciding whether there are business reasons to come along at their leisure. Yes, business reasons are usually indeed good reasons for businesses ;-) The second-biggest browser vendor choosing Theora may or may not give a good business reason for other vendors to reevaluate the balance between benefits and perceived risks. If for sure welcome the stance of Mozilla and Opera to support royality-free-for-any-purpose formats and I hope other vendors will follow this path. Perhaps it makes sense to discuss ways to make installation of 3rd party media components as easy as one simple click to ensure a reasonably user-friendly cross-platform media experience. That's an implementation detail on their end, really. Yes, but perhaps this implementation detail may lessen the impact of IP concerns if they are genuine and thus increase the chance that the codec question is resolved in a cross-browser way. Maik
Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies
Maik Merten schrieb: If for sure welcome the stance of Mozilla and Opera to support royality-free-for-any-purpose formats and I hope other vendors will follow this path. This sentence doesn't parse. Patched version: I for sure welcome the stance of Mozilla and Opera to support royality-free-for-any-purpose formats and I hope other vendors will follow this path. Maik
