Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Dont need to - its in the press. See: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/how-to-access-wikipedia-on-internet-blackout-day/221956-11.html The New York Times also put out an article which mentioned hitting the ESC key lets you access the article. Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:52:35 +1100 From: stephen.b...@gmail.com To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Javier Bassi javierba...@gmail.com wrote: A blackout with JavaScript? -_- Yes. And don't tell anyone they can avoid the blackout by hitting ESC pressing 'stop' in their browser before onLoad() triggers. -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Yes, it's the only way that doesn't result in serious technical repercussions. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Javier Bassi javierba...@gmail.comwrote: A blackout with JavaScript? -_- ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- John ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 18/01/2012 7:52 p.m., Stephen Bain wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Javier Bassijavierba...@gmail.com wrote: A blackout with JavaScript? -_- Yes. And don't tell anyone they can avoid the blackout by hitting ESC pressing 'stop' in their browser before onLoad() triggers. Can't edit though. Although some can. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges Am getting withdrawal symptoms!!! A ** ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 January 2012 11:29, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The one omission there other than the mailing list seems to have been the Village Pumps; the first RFC was hosted on VP/Proposals, but spamming a notice for the second RFC to the others might have been worthwhile. Something to add to the list for next time we have some mass short-notice discussion like this - though, hopefully, that won't be for another ten years! Really, if it's on Central Notice, it doesn't need to be anywhere else. It was a little difficult to miss. The problem I have is with the timescale. I was away that weekend (though I was briefly active on Commons, I didn't have time to check much else). I had no time to look at the discussion when it opened on Friday, and by the time I got back and had time on Monday evening to look at the discussion, it had closed. A discussion like that should have been started at least a week before the planned action. Anything requiring action on a swifter timescale should have been delegated following (at minimum) a week-long community discussion. Ironically, I just tried to look up some comments made in one of the earlier discussions, but was unable to do so. Shouldn't the discussions leading up to the blackout have been omitted from the blackout? I think some were, but not all. If there are some discussion pages related to this that are still readable (even if not editable), could someone list them here? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
I wish you luck maintaining your sanity after using conservapedia then, and hope you'll come back to reason after the blackout. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, David Carson carson63...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I intend to get all of my information for the day from Conservapedia. So by the end of the day I expect I'll be ready to take to the streets _defending_ SOPA. Cheers, David... On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Citizendium will *clean up* tomorrow. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Wikipedia should do these complete edit locks more often, TBH. For the sake of Wikipediholics like me, and so admins can catch up with reports and backlogs in peace. Not sure if it's a serious suggestion but it's just a thought I had. On a related note, the Internet looks really dumb with JavaScript turned off. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 January 2012 11:29, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The one omission there other than the mailing list seems to have been the Village Pumps; the first RFC was hosted on VP/Proposals, but spamming a notice for the second RFC to the others might have been worthwhile. Something to add to the list for next time we have some mass short-notice discussion like this - though, hopefully, that won't be for another ten years! Really, if it's on Central Notice, it doesn't need to be anywhere else. It was a little difficult to miss. The problem I have is with the timescale. I was away that weekend (though I was briefly active on Commons, I didn't have time to check much else). I had no time to look at the discussion when it opened on Friday, and by the time I got back and had time on Monday evening to look at the discussion, it had closed. A discussion like that should have been started at least a week before the planned action. Anything requiring action on a swifter timescale should have been delegated following (at minimum) a week-long community discussion. Ironically, I just tried to look up some comments made in one of the earlier discussions, but was unable to do so. Shouldn't the discussions leading up to the blackout have been omitted from the blackout? I think some were, but not all. If there are some discussion pages related to this that are still readable (even if not editable), could someone list them here? Carcharoth I started a thread along these lines a few hours ago on foundation-l. More specifically focused on the Foundation role in catalyzing it (going from an unfocused small on-wiki discussion to a We should really do this within 5 days of the proposed initiation date), but touching generally on insufficient time for proper discussion and consensus. On the plus side, I think a majority of active Wikipedians seem to have been heard, and the consensus was clearly there. On the minus side, for a big thing, we need time to frame things. Time to define what arguments people think there are to be made, what the big options are, how to present them. Once the idea is proposed and framed, then there needs to be time for consensus discussions. For something as big as a day of Dark, probably a week. And then time for counting it up, calling a consensus, and implementing. Two weeks would be rushing it, from beginning to end. We had approximately 5 days. I don't suspect that spending the appropriate amount of time here would have changed things regarding community decision and ultimate outcome. However, it is not appropriate to cut corners in this manner. There's a fundamental difference between a Community Consensus and a Mob. 72 hrs over a weekend is somewhere in between, and uncomfortably on the Wrong End of that scale. This entirely seems to have been timing, the community sort of deciding it was a good idea without proper wide consensus-seeking in late December through the 12th, followed by the Foundation deciding it was a good idea and pushing for an on-wiki consensus process roughly on the 13th. Someone - I still haven't entirely figured out who from reading all the threads - called a 72 hr time limit on it all arbitrarily around late 13th or early 14th. The earlier on-wiki planners could perhaps have started a better onwiki process with enough discussion and notice. The Foundation could have rethought engaging given the date date, but appears to have decided that the issue was important enough to push on through (overlooking the consensus timing issues). Nobody is at fault here, but a bunch of people in positions to try and be proactive weren't and a bunch of community leaders jumped to the front of it rather than being a little cautious. I don't like SOPA any more than anyone else here I can think of. But a lot of nuance - for Wikipedia's long term reputation and otherwise - was lost or bulled through in this process. Doubleplus ungood. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:09 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: I started a thread along these lines a few hours ago on foundation-l. I may cross-post there (foundation-l) gently chiding those who were discussing the blackout there with no cross-posting or announcement here (wiki-en-l). That was a really bad omission, given that this directly affected the English language version of Wikipedia. I would also plead that more cross-posting be done. It may sometimes lead to parallel discussions, but that is better than those only following one list missing out on announcements. If someone else wants to cross-post this, or post before I do, please do. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Jeraphine Gryphon jeraph...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia should do these complete edit locks more often, TBH. For the sake of Wikipediholics like me, and so admins can catch up with reports and backlogs in peace. Point of order. This is not an edit-lock. You are thinking from the perspective of an editor. This is a reader lock-out as well (though really, those that know enough to use mirrors or caches or disable javascript are not missing out on reading articles, and that may get mis-reported in the press as those in the know not being inconvenienced but everyone else being locked out from reading Wikipedia). Not sure if it's a serious suggestion but it's just a thought I had. It's a nice idea, but there are several problems with that. Firstly, how to handle urgent edits that still need to be made. Secondly, how to restrict editing disablement to just article namespace (which is what would be needed to allow other stuff to carry on as normal). I don't think it would ever really happen. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 17 January 2012 19:40, Tyler myusernameor...@gmail.com wrote: I wish you luck maintaining your sanity after using conservapedia then, and hope you'll come back to reason after the blackout. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, David Carson carson63...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I intend to get all of my information for the day from Conservapedia. So by the end of the day I expect I'll be ready to take to the streets _defending_ SOPA. Cheers, David... Ironically, Conservapedia seems to be in agreement with Wikipedia in opposing SOPA/PIPA. Talk about strange bedfellows Risker ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Ironically, Conservapedia seems to be in agreement with Wikipedia in opposing SOPA/PIPA. Talk about strange bedfellows Wikipedia Review has been down for more than 24 hours now. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Elias Friedman elipo...@gmail.com wrote: nor announced by a site banner for logged in users There was one. Although, I didn't see it either (something to do with my browser setup, the banner displayed in Firefox, but not Opera; my best guess is it was something to do with one of the NoScript style extensions I have installed in Opera). - Chris ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 17 January 2012 07:52, Elias Friedman elipo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 17, 2012 2:24 AM, Javier Bassi javierba...@gmail.com wrote: Discussion on this began on December 10 on Jimbo's talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Walesdiff=prevoldid=465086832 Like I pay attention to the three-ring circus that all the cranks attracted there make Jimbo's talk page into? It was in the mass media as well. Lots of it. Sorry you didn't hear about it before, but it's not clear what you personally use as communication channels. Someone should probably have mentioned it here ,yes. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 17 January 2012 07:52, Elias Friedman elipo...@gmail.com wrote: I am dismayed that such a radical undertaking wasn't mentioned on this list, nor announced by a site banner for logged in users, nor even canvassed out to user talk pages. This is especially in light of the short time frame mentioned in the public closing statement - not everyone checks their watchlist daily (I *assume* a notice was listed there at least!) I'm quite surprised it wasn't discussed on the list - I suspect this may be the perennial problem where something gets discussed on foundation-l rather than wikien-l, and people forget to crosspost between them. (I include myself in this - I really should have noticed. Apologies...) A quick recap of where it's been discussed: After the initial flurry of activity on Jimbo's talkpage (which I agree is a fairly odd place to try and hash out policy) in mid-December gave broad support for some kind of action, there was an RFC at the end of December on a rough time for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Coordinated_SOPA_reaction_in_early_2012_RfC This led to a second more detailed RFC on what exactly to do, which closed last night - this is the 72 hour discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative The second RFC was advertised with a central notice active over the past three days for all readers: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNoticemethod=listNoticeDetailnotice=enWP+SOPA+RfC as well as the centralised discussion list, AN, etc. The one omission there other than the mailing list seems to have been the Village Pumps; the first RFC was hosted on VP/Proposals, but spamming a notice for the second RFC to the others might have been worthwhile. Something to add to the list for next time we have some mass short-notice discussion like this - though, hopefully, that won't be for another ten years! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 17 January 2012 11:29, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The one omission there other than the mailing list seems to have been the Village Pumps; the first RFC was hosted on VP/Proposals, but spamming a notice for the second RFC to the others might have been worthwhile. Something to add to the list for next time we have some mass short-notice discussion like this - though, hopefully, that won't be for another ten years! Really, if it's on Central Notice, it doesn't need to be anywhere else. It was a little difficult to miss. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Really, if it's on Central Notice, it doesn't need to be anywhere
else. It was a little difficult to miss.
Since a large majority of users block CN messages because of the large
amount of what some would call spam in them, Yes it does need to be
announced elsewhere.
For example, en.wikipedia folks can watchlist {{CENT}} and they will
get alerted to most major community level notices.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 17/01/2012 12:19, K. Peachey wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Really, if it's on Central Notice, it doesn't need to be anywhere else. It was a little difficult to miss. Since a large majority of users block CN messages because of the large amount of what some would call spam in them, Yes it does need to be announced elsewhere. One can't really complain about not being inform about things if they choose to block out one of the major channel of public notice KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: One can't really complain about not being inform about things if they choose to block out one of the major channel of public notice I'm not going to start the whole debate on If CN is a notice service, what it should be used for, etc discussion. But when 99% of the messages are visually distracting and serve no relevance to a large amount of the audience, You can expect these things to be blocked which is why most people have. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 17 January 2012 13:00, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: One can't really complain about not being inform about things if they choose to block out one of the major channel of public notice I'm not going to start the whole debate on If CN is a notice service, what it should be used for, etc discussion. But when 99% of the messages are visually distracting and serve no relevance to a large amount of the audience, You can expect these things to be blocked which is why most people have. I find it highly unlikely that most people have blocked them. You don't strengthen your argument by using hyperbole. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Jan 17, 2012 6:31 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The second RFC was advertised with a central notice active over the past three days for all readers: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNoticemethod=listNoticeDetailnotice=enWP+SOPA+RfC Well that explains why I didn't see it. It was posted during Shabbos when I don't use any electronics. Then on Sunday I worked from 7am - 10pm and evidently never had to consult the encyclopedia for anything. I finally noticed the new notice on Monday night. The only mass media I consume regularly is local radio (WCBS WQXR mostly). I did, however, check my email frequenly during the period with the exception of during Shabbos. I don't subscribe to Foundation-L, I never figured I would be interested in most of the discussions there. I don't want to slog through the whole discussion, but did anyone at least suggest rolling blackouts to minimize the damage? Something like the site's off for the first half of each hour, then on for the latter half? Wouldn't that make a sufficient statement? It's not like en.wiki's facing an immediate existential threat like it.wiki did. This action really seems like overkill to me- swatting flies with hand grenades... Sent from my Droid2 Elias Friedman A.S., CCEMT-P אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי elipo...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I find it highly unlikely that most people have blocked them. You don't strengthen your argument by using hyperbole. I based that comment it on the few hundred Omg how do we get rid of these notices on the notice boards every time the fundraiser banners go up and the requests during other periods when other banners get shown, The fact that we even have a user gadget to kill them every year does show there is a larger than normal consumer base that does it, As well as the css/js I see people import into other projects to accomplish this as well ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Citizendium will *clean up* tomorrow. I rather doubt they will. Who has heard of them? And they'd better hope they don't because any tiny fraction of En's traffic will knock them offline, further poisoning what little reputation it has left. -- gwern http://www.gwern.net ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On 17 January 2012 17:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Citizendium will *clean up* tomorrow. No, Simple English Wikipedia will. It's like Citizendium, but with three times as many articles and with a much better homeopathy article. ;-) -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Just curious to know, when we say that english wikipedia will be having a blackout, does that also include the english wikipedia api? Thanks Priyank On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:00 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: One can't really complain about not being inform about things if they choose to block out one of the major channel of public notice I'm not going to start the whole debate on If CN is a notice service, what it should be used for, etc discussion. But when 99% of the messages are visually distracting and serve no relevance to a large amount of the audience, You can expect these things to be blocked which is why most people have. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM, priyank bagrecha bagi.priy...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious to know, when we say that english wikipedia will be having a blackout, does that also include the english wikipedia api? No, except for write access. We'll post a technical FAQ soon with some more info. Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Am I correct in thinking that the english wikipedia is going to be blocked for the whole world, rather than just a technical block all non admins in the US, even though this is a US law that the rest of the world have practically no control over? On 17 January 2012 20:16, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: We'll post a technical FAQ soon with some more info. Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation -- -Ian Woollard ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: Am I correct in thinking that the english wikipedia is going to be blocked for the whole world, rather than just a technical block all non admins in the US, even though this is a US law that the rest of the world have practically no control over? Yes ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Yes, I looked into it, and apparently being stupid* is popular. *- defined as voting for things that are probably not in your own best interests On 17 January 2012 22:48, Javier Bassi javierba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: Am I correct in thinking that the english wikipedia is going to be blocked for the whole world, rather than just a technical block all non admins in the US, even though this is a US law that the rest of the world have practically no control over? Yes -- -Ian Woollard ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Personally I intend to get all of my information for the day from Conservapedia. So by the end of the day I expect I'll be ready to take to the streets _defending_ SOPA. Cheers, David... On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Citizendium will *clean up* tomorrow. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
I understand Conservapedia could use a fresh revision of the Dinosaur article... Maybe I'll do that tomorrow. Bob On 1/17/2012 6:37 PM, David Carson wrote: Personally I intend to get all of my information for the day from Conservapedia. So by the end of the day I expect I'll be ready to take to the streets _defending_ SOPA. Cheers, David... On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Citizendium will *clean up* tomorrow. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
A blackout with JavaScript? -_- ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Javier Bassi javierba...@gmail.com wrote: A blackout with JavaScript? -_- Yes. And don't tell anyone they can avoid the blackout by hitting ESC pressing 'stop' in their browser before onLoad() triggers. -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
On Jan 17, 2012 2:24 AM, Javier Bassi javierba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Elias Friedman elipo...@gmail.com wrote: Since this thing was railroaded through in just 72 hours (...) Discussion on this began on December 10 on Jimbo's talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Walesdiff=prevoldid=465086832 Like I pay attention to the three-ring circus that all the cranks attracted there make Jimbo's talk page into? The discussion's public closing statement gave the figure of 72 hours, that's where I got the number. I am dismayed that such a radical undertaking wasn't mentioned on this list, nor announced by a site banner for logged in users, nor even canvassed out to user talk pages. This is especially in light of the short time frame mentioned in the public closing statement - not everyone checks their watchlist daily (I *assume* a notice was listed there at least!) Sent from my Droid2 Elias Friedman A.S., CCEMT-P אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי elipo...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
