Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
On Monday, 10 September 2012 at 19:51, Steve Summit wrote: Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions, FoxNews.com (http://FoxNews.com) has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain far and away the most popular items on the company's servers. This morning, I turned down an offer for some viagra that was emailed to me. In fact, I was offered the chance to help secure some money in Nigeria and transfer it to the United States to help a member of the Nigerian Royal Family. And I was offered access to some horny chicks that live near me, apparently. I await the Fox News story about how I failed to take up any of these offers. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
On Sep 10, 2012, at 3:35 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: If Sanger really wanted us to introduce an image filter he'd be far more effective if he lobbied for solutions that are compatible with our ethos and values. Could we get an official statement to the effect that third-party censorship controls such as this are contrary to the clear and explicit wishes of the Wikipedia communities and Foundation that content decisions be an internal and openly decided matter? It is no more appropriate for Wikipedia to be so filtered by those guys than Fox News. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
On 11 September 2012 09:13, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: Could we get an official statement to the effect that third-party censorship controls such as this are contrary to the clear and explicit wishes of the Wikipedia communities and Foundation that content decisions be an internal and openly decided matter? It is no more appropriate for Wikipedia to be so filtered by those guys than Fox News. I think paying any attention to Sanger or Fox News would constitute feeding the troll. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
Honestly, there really isn't a whole lot of pornographic images. Most of the alleged pornographic images are really just bland images of genitalia. I think people are better off going to 4chan for their fix. -- ~~yutsi Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 10, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct. Bob On 9/10/2012 1:51 PM, Steve Summit wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/ Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions, FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain far and away the most popular items on the company's servers. Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct. Bob On 9/10/2012 1:51 PM, Steve Summit wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/ Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions, FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain far and away the most popular items on the company's servers. Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct. Bob Really? Wikipedia is the best porn site you can imagine? Welcome to the Internets, Bob, take a look around. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say best. Having never browsed around specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's put porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact Wikipedia has an excellent categorization system and is allowed even in the workplace and schools, and is a globally-famous site, this qualifies my statement. On 9/10/2012 2:19 PM, Nathan wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct. Bob Really? Wikipedia is the best porn site you can imagine? Welcome to the Internets, Bob, take a look around. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to prevent access to pages that include certain keywords. I've sometimes been stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that has some form of net nanny software. As it turns out, it seems that software isn't all that great and can significantly affect performance. And certainly we don't know much about what expectations they had if WMF projects accepted the free offer. Risker On 10 September 2012 16:08, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.comwrote: Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say best. Having never browsed around specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's put porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact Wikipedia has an excellent categorization system and is allowed even in the workplace and schools, and is a globally-famous site, this qualifies my statement. On 9/10/2012 2:19 PM, Nathan wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct. Bob Really? Wikipedia is the best porn site you can imagine? Welcome to the Internets, Bob, take a look around. __**_ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikien-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l __**_ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikien-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say best. Having never browsed around specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's put porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact Wikipedia has an excellent categorization system and is allowed even in the workplace and schools, and is a globally-famous site, this qualifies my statement. I've re-read both your posts. In the second, quoted above, it sounds like you are saying that for someone who isn't looking for porn, Wikipedia is an easy place to find it. But in your original message, you said Wikipedia was ideal ...for someone seeking porn. But of course that isn't true. People who are seeking porn will, in all likelihood, find actual porn. Wikipedia, contra your assertion, is certainly not the easiest place to find it. Blocked sites are hardly an impediment - Google Image search isn't blocked anywhere Google itself is accessible, and any sexual search term will return a thousand thousand images with nothing for a filtering program to block. By the same token, the fame (or lack) of a particular site is irrelevant. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
It's telling that Fox News are using the Simple English Wikipedia. Also someone should let them know you only need to type in one of the search boxes to do a search, not both. NetSpark's technology was used in 2010 with Israeli technology company Cellcom to filter the mobile web, creating a Kosher Internet for Jewish users. sarcasmThese sound like exactly the people we need to be working with./sarcasm Pete / the wub On 10 September 2012 19:51, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/ Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions, FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain far and away the most popular items on the company's servers. Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
On Sep 10, 2012 9:20 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to prevent access to pages that include certain keywords. I've sometimes been stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that has some form of net nanny software. Funny you should say that, I wasn't able to access Wiktionary at work today because it was suspicious. No idea what that was about... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
Wikipedia Co-Founder Larry Sanger has launched a campaign against the online encyclopedia for content filters to be put in place. Part of being a reference work. There are aspects of reality that are offensive or disturbing. I think we've made considerable progress on this matter in terms of removing or offering tools to prevent surprising people with gratuitous salacious material, but a refractory remnant of simple fact will always remain a part of Wikipedia. Some of it very important information even for children. Fred On 10 September 2012 19:51, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/ Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions, FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain far and away the most popular items on the company's servers. Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
On Sep 10, 2012 9:20 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to prevent access to pages that include certain keywords. I've sometimes been stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that has some form of net nanny software. Funny you should say that, I wasn't able to access Wiktionary at work today because it was suspicious. No idea what that was about... When I first set up Wikinfo on ibiblio at the University of North Carolina the page socialism would not load because they had a net filter in place which blocked that word. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem
There are several issues here. One is that we are an open source site, “The idea we discussed was that NetSpark would either donate or heavily discount the cost of the filter for Wikipedia. Surely Sanger knows us well enough to know not to suggest that we ditch open source and work with a software supplier who boasts of proprietary algorithms on their website? Secondly The company says its technology is a “learning engine” that can analyze the components of an image precisely enough to determine the difference between a pornographic image and an advertorial image that has models wearing swimwear or lingerie. Which might be OK if we were a monocultural site that deemed topless women not OK and bikini clad women OK. But we are aiming for a global audience with a series of products that include an encyclopaedia in some of whose pages it is entirely appropriate to show images of women wearing less than a bikini. Thirdly if we do introduce a filter it needs to work across multiple cultures - including for people who don't want to see models wearing swimwear or lingerie. Also isn't it a bit rich for Fox News to be talking about porn? Afterall as a Murdoch company they are in the same corporate stable as page3.com. I'm sufficiently sold on the idea of an image filter to have drafted one of the options myself, but it really doesn't help the case to have people suggesting systems that are so incompatible with our values. If Sanger really wanted us to introduce an image filter he'd be far more effective if he lobbied for solutions that are compatible with our ethos and values. Regards WSC On 10 September 2012 19:51, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/ Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions, FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain far and away the most popular items on the company's servers. Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
