Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going back to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available. Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having the genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article would need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though our editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active admins has sharply declined. I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of non-noteable articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been redirected to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to deleted revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage band that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once they've recruited a drummer. WSC On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
I am willing to do the work to prepare them, I think that I could find people to help me. please give me access, I will be responsible. mike On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going back to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available. Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having the genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article would need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though our editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active admins has sharply declined. I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of non-noteable articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been redirected to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to deleted revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage band that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once they've recruited a drummer. WSC On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
Hi Mike, I can't give you access to deleted edits, only the community can do that and they are notoriously picky as to who they appoint as admins. Also it is not a practical task for one person or even a dozen persons. Why don't you start with my suggestion about articles that are now redirects? WSC On 3 July 2012 16:05, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I am willing to do the work to prepare them, I think that I could find people to help me. please give me access, I will be responsible. mike On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going back to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available. Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having the genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article would need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though our editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active admins has sharply declined. I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of non-noteable articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been redirected to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to deleted revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage band that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once they've recruited a drummer. WSC On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
How is this,
can you extract the following :
1. only well formed wikisyntax.
2. only where age is given, and over 18
3. only where a {{twitter|account} is given
then i will process those first, and can twitter them we can go from
the responses to process them.
mike
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mike,
I can't give you access to deleted edits, only the community can do that
and they are notoriously picky as to who they appoint as admins.
Also it is not a practical task for one person or even a dozen persons. Why
don't you start with my suggestion about articles that are now redirects?
WSC
On 3 July 2012 16:05, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
I am willing to do the work to prepare them, I think that I could find
people to help me.
please give me access, I will be responsible.
mike
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going
back
to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going
back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available.
Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the
copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having
the
genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article
would
need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of
them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though
our
editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active
admins
has sharply declined.
I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of
non-noteable
articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that
aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple
edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been
redirected
to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been
redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to
deleted
revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage
band
that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once
they've recruited a drummer.
WSC
On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable
articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion,
artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible?
thanks
mike
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net
wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote:
I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which
are I
suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important
point re
cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world.
Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in
South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason?
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
On 7/2/12, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? That would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mzoli%27s Reading the AfD (available in the page history) is a bit of a trip down memory lane! Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
On 7/3/12, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7/2/12, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? That would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mzoli%27s Reading the AfD (available in the page history) is a bit of a trip down memory lane! Forgot the link to the original AfD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mzoli%27s_Meats Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. My view on this is that this is one area where a little bit of money judiciously applied could go a long way. There must be large offline archives of Newspapers, TV and Radio programs and other sources which could be digitised quite cheaply. If the WMF were to grant fund this in some of the poorest countries on Earth it would be money well spent. WSC On 29 June 2012 19:19, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote: The India related pages are typically being deleted because of the lack of references in the submitted article, and the almost total inability of editors elsewhere to find sources for this area except of a few major newspapers. It is extremely frustrating to find such an article on Proposed Deletion, about someone I can guess is likely to be notable, but where I can find no references to indicate this--if there is no response from the editor who added it, what alternative is there for me to do but delete it? We can potentially vary our notability standards to account for WP:Cultural bias, but I cannot see us abandoning the principle of WP:Verifiability and remaining an encyclopedia. , Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks Martjn, yes, that is what I am saying, people are willing to submit trivial data for the hope of becoming famous, because WP is now the number one web page, instead of deleting it, I say, lets process it. I have been studying the speedy deletion data for the past days, tuning my program, of course there is a lot of junk in there, but it seem that something similar is happening with the indian subcontinent, many pages are just being deleted because why would some actor or doctor in india or pakistan ever be notable for the western world. But if you ever wanted to study the culture of that area, such articles would be useful. If you wanted to encourage editors from that area, then it is better to thank people for the data instead of deleting it. For my work in kosovo, trying to find contributors is very hard and having a way to collect data for free is great. Also I am interested in free software and it seems that many free software program articles are also being deleted, I am happy to have copies of them. thanks, mike On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/25/12, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here, so we put it there for you rather than Hi, you put stuff here that didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself? I should have been clearer that if people want to spend their time doing that, fine. But there are other things on Wikipedia that need doing more urgently. Trans-wikiiing or moving stuff around is laudable, but is a sideshow to the core aim of producing and improving the quality of the online encyclopedia (as opposed to the online travel guide or hotel guide or whatever). The problem is that this sort of exhortation tends to fail when a volunteer workforce is involved. And I am aware that it is possible for different online freely licensed sites to work together in synergy, exchanging material as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core activities. Carcharoth Maybe I'm misreading the thread, but I think that Mike was proposing to use the wiki for deleted articles he set up to use this information to move it over to OSM. I was slightly amazed that this seemed to be received as a bad idea in Carcharoths post. I am not suggesting that any administrator or editor *should* do this, but it should be applauded, ot at least shouldn't be discouraged if an editor does do that. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
The India related pages are typically being deleted because of the lack of references in the submitted article, and the almost total inability of editors elsewhere to find sources for this area except of a few major newspapers. It is extremely frustrating to find such an article on Proposed Deletion, about someone I can guess is likely to be notable, but where I can find no references to indicate this--if there is no response from the editor who added it, what alternative is there for me to do but delete it? We can potentially vary our notability standards to account for WP:Cultural bias, but I cannot see us abandoning the principle of WP:Verifiability and remaining an encyclopedia. , Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks Martjn, yes, that is what I am saying, people are willing to submit trivial data for the hope of becoming famous, because WP is now the number one web page, instead of deleting it, I say, lets process it. I have been studying the speedy deletion data for the past days, tuning my program, of course there is a lot of junk in there, but it seem that something similar is happening with the indian subcontinent, many pages are just being deleted because why would some actor or doctor in india or pakistan ever be notable for the western world. But if you ever wanted to study the culture of that area, such articles would be useful. If you wanted to encourage editors from that area, then it is better to thank people for the data instead of deleting it. For my work in kosovo, trying to find contributors is very hard and having a way to collect data for free is great. Also I am interested in free software and it seems that many free software program articles are also being deleted, I am happy to have copies of them. thanks, mike On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/25/12, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here, so we put it there for you rather than Hi, you put stuff here that didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself? I should have been clearer that if people want to spend their time doing that, fine. But there are other things on Wikipedia that need doing more urgently. Trans-wikiiing or moving stuff around is laudable, but is a sideshow to the core aim of producing and improving the quality of the online encyclopedia (as opposed to the online travel guide or hotel guide or whatever). The problem is that this sort of exhortation tends to fail when a volunteer workforce is involved. And I am aware that it is possible for different online freely licensed sites to work together in synergy, exchanging material as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core activities. Carcharoth Maybe I'm misreading the thread, but I think that Mike was proposing to use the wiki for deleted articles he set up to use this information to move it over to OSM. I was slightly amazed that this seemed to be received as a bad idea in Carcharoths post. I am not suggesting that any administrator or editor *should* do this, but it should be applauded, ot at least shouldn't be discouraged if an editor does do that. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 6/25/12, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: it is hard to collect all this information for osm, so why not have people add it to wikpedia first? Wouldn't it be more efficient to direct people to OSM and wikitravel in the first place, rather than use Wikipedia as a staging ground? I know people assume that Wikipedia is the place for everything, but if people are going to get out of that mindset, you need to tell them they were in the wrong place, and not just move stuff for them. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 25 June 2012 12:57, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here, so we put it there for you rather than Hi, you put stuff here that didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself? So, what you are saying is that to properly handle new page patrolling, users now need to know how to edit OpenStreetMap. Like with Wikipedia, the process of learning how to edit OSM well is a non-trivial one. Also, most Wikipedians didn't start editing Wikipedia to help provide better business listings but to improve articles about interesting, notable topics. And I say that as a Wikipedian who is also an OSMer who spends a non-trivial amount of time adding shops and businesses to OSM. ;-) -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 6/25/12, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here, so we put it there for you rather than Hi, you put stuff here that didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself? I should have been clearer that if people want to spend their time doing that, fine. But there are other things on Wikipedia that need doing more urgently. Trans-wikiiing or moving stuff around is laudable, but is a sideshow to the core aim of producing and improving the quality of the online encyclopedia (as opposed to the online travel guide or hotel guide or whatever). The problem is that this sort of exhortation tends to fail when a volunteer workforce is involved. And I am aware that it is possible for different online freely licensed sites to work together in synergy, exchanging material as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core activities. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/25/12, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here, so we put it there for you rather than Hi, you put stuff here that didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself? I should have been clearer that if people want to spend their time doing that, fine. But there are other things on Wikipedia that need doing more urgently. Trans-wikiiing or moving stuff around is laudable, but is a sideshow to the core aim of producing and improving the quality of the online encyclopedia (as opposed to the online travel guide or hotel guide or whatever). The problem is that this sort of exhortation tends to fail when a volunteer workforce is involved. And I am aware that it is possible for different online freely licensed sites to work together in synergy, exchanging material as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core activities. Carcharoth Maybe I'm misreading the thread, but I think that Mike was proposing to use the wiki for deleted articles he set up to use this information to move it over to OSM. I was slightly amazed that this seemed to be received as a bad idea in Carcharoths post. I am not suggesting that any administrator or editor *should* do this, but it should be applauded, ot at least shouldn't be discouraged if an editor does do that. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
Thanks Martjn, yes, that is what I am saying, people are willing to submit trivial data for the hope of becoming famous, because WP is now the number one web page, instead of deleting it, I say, lets process it. I have been studying the speedy deletion data for the past days, tuning my program, of course there is a lot of junk in there, but it seem that something similar is happening with the indian subcontinent, many pages are just being deleted because why would some actor or doctor in india or pakistan ever be notable for the western world. But if you ever wanted to study the culture of that area, such articles would be useful. If you wanted to encourage editors from that area, then it is better to thank people for the data instead of deleting it. For my work in kosovo, trying to find contributors is very hard and having a way to collect data for free is great. Also I am interested in free software and it seems that many free software program articles are also being deleted, I am happy to have copies of them. thanks, mike On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/25/12, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here, so we put it there for you rather than Hi, you put stuff here that didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself? I should have been clearer that if people want to spend their time doing that, fine. But there are other things on Wikipedia that need doing more urgently. Trans-wikiiing or moving stuff around is laudable, but is a sideshow to the core aim of producing and improving the quality of the online encyclopedia (as opposed to the online travel guide or hotel guide or whatever). The problem is that this sort of exhortation tends to fail when a volunteer workforce is involved. And I am aware that it is possible for different online freely licensed sites to work together in synergy, exchanging material as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core activities. Carcharoth Maybe I'm misreading the thread, but I think that Mike was proposing to use the wiki for deleted articles he set up to use this information to move it over to OSM. I was slightly amazed that this seemed to be received as a bad idea in Carcharoths post. I am not suggesting that any administrator or editor *should* do this, but it should be applauded, ot at least shouldn't be discouraged if an editor does do that. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
Apparently we need to be a good deal stricter about hotel entries. Notability we can deal with--the content in them is considerably more difficult to police. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/22/12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4056585.html I suspect we may have (how do I put this) an opportunity to be helpful to an influx of newbies with not-so-good articles in need of improvement. Quoting from that: Wikipedia - CoMMingle will set up a Wikipedia listing if one does not exist and create social links. CoMMingle will also monitor the Wikipedia listing quarterly and check content for accuracy. (Is there a good place on-wiki to note such endeavours? One of the VPs?) Probably. I'm tempted to suggest WikiProject Spam. It is worrying how Wikipedia is associated by some with social media. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
well wikitravel and openstreetmap are a good place to land those, and I guess I will collect them in the speedy deletion wiki and process them there, since i started the wiki there have been no hotels there, http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=hotelfulltext=Search it is hard to collect all this information for osm, so why not have people add it to wikpedia first? mike On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:14 AM, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently we need to be a good deal stricter about hotel entries. Notability we can deal with--the content in them is considerably more difficult to police. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/22/12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4056585.html I suspect we may have (how do I put this) an opportunity to be helpful to an influx of newbies with not-so-good articles in need of improvement. Quoting from that: Wikipedia - CoMMingle will set up a Wikipedia listing if one does not exist and create social links. CoMMingle will also monitor the Wikipedia listing quarterly and check content for accuracy. (Is there a good place on-wiki to note such endeavours? One of the VPs?) Probably. I'm tempted to suggest WikiProject Spam. It is worrying how Wikipedia is associated by some with social media. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4056585.html I suspect we may have (how do I put this) an opportunity to be helpful to an influx of newbies with not-so-good articles in need of improvement. (Is there a good place on-wiki to note such endeavours? One of the VPs?) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
