Re: Oracle is included - how about Sybase?

2014-12-03 Thread Matthew Persico
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:04 PM, kmx k...@atlas.cz wrote:

 On 1.12.2014 16:23, Matthew Persico wrote:

 I see that DBD::Oracle is now included in Strawberry. I'd like to see
 DBD::Sybase also included.


 Well, I have included Oracle DB driver as it is IMO commercial DB No.1. I
 am not sure how popular Sybase DB is nowadays and how big is its user base
 (esp. among potential strawberry perl users).

 The other think is that my Oracle DB related knowledge is quite good
 whereas I know literally nothing about Sybase DB.

 That;s ok - I wasn't expecting YOU to do the work.


 I assume the steps to doing so are:

 1) Identify a FREE downloadable client library package for Sybase, a'la
 Oracle Insta-client


 Have you done some research in this area?


Yes. I believe SAP still provides a clean free user client. I have to
review since Sybase has been bought by SAP. If I'm wrong, QED.


 2) Build using Strawberry
One problem is that the make requires interaction. Is it a problem for
 your automation if the make prompts for input or can you ignore it?


 Interaction has to be avoided (either by setting proper env variables or
 passing proper command line params to Makefile.PL/Build.PL).

 The most important think is that we need DBD::Sybase to be built with
 gcc/mingw-w64 compiler (quite often various SDK's come only with *.lib
 libraries suitable for MSVC compiler).


I currently build DBD::Sybase in Strawberry - the full-blown client install
provides the proper files. I hope the free sdk does.

And it also matters how many megabytes does DBD::Sybase add to strawberry
 perl.


Not more than Oracle, esp if the libs are in an externally installed
client.


 3) Sumbit something to someone in order to include. This, of course,
 is where I need info. :-) Do I pull down a git, modify and create a pull
 request somewhere? Is there an FAQ on this I missed?


 All modules bundled with strawberry perl are built from sources at
 release build time. I am not in favor of including packages built by some
 else.


Of course. But I assume that I just can't say it works, go add it. Don't
I have to give you something? A Bundle file? Some commands? Do I downoad
the Strawberry Perl module from some git server and send you a pul request?


 So there must be a functional unattended installation scenarion how to
 build DBD::Sybase with gcc/mingw-w64 (+ obviously some kind of Sybase
 client library)

 And as you might guess the Sybase client library must be available for
 free and for both 32/64bit MS Windows.

 Hmm. That may be the deal breaker - I've only got it to successfully work
with the 32 bit version.


 Anyway, do not take this e-mail as a promise of any kind :)


None taken. At least I know you'll consider it so it's worth my while to
continue research.

Thanks


 --
 kmx




-- 
Matthew O. Persico


Re: Oracle is included - how about Sybase?

2014-12-03 Thread Matthew Persico
We've tried FreeTDS in the past at my current gig - not reliable.

We're connecting to a boatload of Sybase databases from UNIX boxes - I'm
trying to distribute the work over underutilized Windows boxes without
rewriting the world, so ODBC in this case is not applicable.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Kasak d.j.kasak...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are a few options for Sybase:
 http://www.freetds.org/userguide/perl.htm

 I use FreeTDS + unixODBC + DBD::ODBC for SQL Server on Linux. If
 you're after cross-platform support, I recommend using DBD::ODBC - in
 particular because Windows drivers will almost always be ODBC drivers,
 meaning you only need to build DBD::ODBC and nothing else, which is
 fantastic when in Windows and compiling is a PITA :) Having said that,
 I've only ever used Sybase @ university, so I'm not sure of what
 options are around, other than that link above.

 I currently have Strawberry Perl with quite a few add-ons ( including
 DBD::ODBC ), and a build system of sorts, for my own use ( no-one else
 appears particularly interested at this point ). If you're really
 stuck, email me and I'll look at building things for you, but keep in
 mind, at this point, you'll get an all-on-one zip file, including my
 particular version of Strawberry, lots of other things, and Sybase
 drivers as well. This may or may not be fine. I'm open to coming up
 with a better solution ( ie the ability to build individual binary
 packages, but with *me* being the only person using what I've built,
 it hardly seems worthwhile.

 Dan

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Matthew Persico
 matthew.pers...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, kmx k...@atlas.cz wrote:
 
  On 1.12.2014 16:23, Matthew Persico wrote:
 
  I see that DBD::Oracle is now included in Strawberry. I'd like to see
  DBD::Sybase also included.
 
 
  Well, I have included Oracle DB driver as it is IMO commercial DB No.1.
 I
  am not sure how popular Sybase DB is nowadays and how big is its user
 base
  (esp. among potential strawberry perl users).
 
  The other think is that my Oracle DB related knowledge is quite good
  whereas I know literally nothing about Sybase DB.
 
 
 
  I assume the steps to doing so are:
 
  1) Identify a FREE downloadable client library package for Sybase, a'la
  Oracle Insta-client
 
 
  Have you done some research in this area?
 
 
  2) Build using Strawberry
 One problem is that the make requires interaction. Is it a problem
 for
  your automation if the make prompts for input or can you ignore it?
 
 
  Interaction has to be avoided (either by setting proper env variables or
  passing proper command line params to Makefile.PL/Build.PL).
 
  The most important think is that we need DBD::Sybase to be built with
  gcc/mingw-w64 compiler (quite often various SDK's come only with *.lib
  libraries suitable for MSVC compiler).
 
  And it also matters how many megabytes does DBD::Sybase add to
 strawberry
  perl.
 
  3) Sumbit something to someone in order to include. This, of
 course,
  is where I need info. :-) Do I pull down a git, modify and create a
 pull
  request somewhere? Is there an FAQ on this I missed?
 
 
  All modules bundled with strawberry perl are built from sources at
  release build time. I am not in favor of including packages built by
 some
  else.
 
  So there must be a functional unattended installation scenarion how to
  build DBD::Sybase with gcc/mingw-w64 (+ obviously some kind of Sybase
 client
  library)
 
  And as you might guess the Sybase client library must be available for
  free and for both 32/64bit MS Windows.
 
 
 
  Anyway, do not take this e-mail as a promise of any kind :)
 
  --
  kmx
 
 
 
  --
  Matthew O. Persico




-- 
Matthew O. Persico