RE: [WSG] Question to the others ...
G'day Firstly, what kind of measurement is ex? http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#length-units Relative units are: em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font ex: the 'x-height' of the relevant font px: pixels, relative to the viewing device I tend to use a mixture of em and px. Have never used ex but it may have its uses. I have never seen that before. Secondly, how would a fluid width layout work with a faux column like I've used?I guess it wouldn't. Eric Meyer may have a solution. http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/03/sliding-faux-columns/ My own point of view (purists won't agree but I can live with that): if it's easily done with a simple, css styled table, why go out on a limb with complex CSS and background images. In many cases the difference in download is minimal, and without the need to download a background image, the (single, not nested) table approach can be more efficient. I prefer not to use background images if all I want is a plain colo(u)r. Since the graphic is 780px wide, surely the container has to be 780px wide too. No? If the image is presentational only, make it a background (perhaps ironic given what I said above) Otherwise you might try specifying its size in em's so it will scale up/down as appropriate. 780px is too wide for many people who still run at a resolution of 800x600. Why annoy them with horizontal scrollbars? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Another body tag question ...
G'day body{font:84%/1.2em arial,sans-serif;direction:ltr} What's the point of setting the body font at 84% of 1.2em? (which is what I assume is what's happening). Your assumption is incorrect. The 1.2em refers to line height. See http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#font-shorthand Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Ok well compare that with this one: Median Windows Settings 96DPI (normal fonts) IE7.1 set to Medium How does one get IE 7.1? Oh DER!!! I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2. It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1. Whoops. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Sticky Drop Downs
Hello, I was wondering if someone could inform me or point me to a resource on how to make a navigation dropdown/popout menu 'sticky' as a user progress deeper. (Parent menu items stay in hover state). The particular menu that I am working on is here: http://www.paulfarrell.com.au/dev/index.php Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Paul Farrell ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Sticky Drop Downs
Paul What you need is http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Paul Farrell wrote: Hello, I was wondering if someone could inform me or point me to a resource on how to make a navigation dropdown/popout menu 'sticky' as a user progress deeper. (Parent menu items stay in hover state). The particular menu that I am working on is here: http://www.paulfarrell.com.au/dev/index.php Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Paul Farrell ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question to the others ...
em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font Not totally. An em is the width of (no shit!) an 'M' glyph. But the rest is allright for me. -- Cheers, Rob. » http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:02:43 AM, Rob wrote: em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font Not totally. An em is the width of (no shit!) an 'M' glyph. But the rest is allright for me. Totally. The font size is set in em units. The unit is defined as the width of an 'm' glyph. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
I find the description of font-size a bit dodgy, so I wanted to make clear that all units have a meaning. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:14:21 +, Iain Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:02:43 AM, Rob wrote: em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font Not totally. An em is the width of (no shit!) an 'M' glyph. But the rest is allright for me. Totally. The font size is set in em units. The unit is defined as the width of an 'm' glyph. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Cheers, Rob. » http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[3]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:14:21 AM, I wrote: Not totally. An em is the width of (no s--t!) an 'M' glyph. But the rest is allright for me. Totally. The font size is set in em units. The unit is defined as the width of an 'm' glyph. Since quoting Bob's message, I've had two bounce messages from mail systems that rejected the email because I'd quoted a four letter word meaning faeces (shirt without an r). Oddly, both rejections are from .au domains. This is relevant in several respects: Firstly, we have to realise that there are some brain-dead mail filtering systems out there, and have to be careful about the words we use or quote in emails. Secondly, the people behind these filters need to know that they are having their email censored for them. Fourthly, we need to be wary of this stupidity spreading to HTML filtering. What happens when bottom is considered too rude by a growing wave of prudery? margin-beneath, anyone? And fifthly, be careful when inventing class names that they won't be a rude word in any possible language in the world! -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:22:18 AM, Rob wrote: I find the description of font-size a bit dodgy, I agree. Defining a font size in terms of a unit that is based on a font size seems pretty stupid to me too, but that's how it is. There are lots of stupidities around. Here in the UK, we use words like referrer colour centre and so on. Seems that HTML is based on a foreign language. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:40:17 AM, Iain wrote: Fourthly, There was a third, but I decided it was rubbish. Sorry, folks. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
I find the description of font-size a bit dodgy, I agree. Defining a font size in terms of a unit that is based on a font size seems pretty stupid to me too, but that's how it is. There are lots of stupidities around. Well, in the print business, it's much more strict, which I prefer. There are so much more units that I do not know of, but I try to keep it clear in HTML too. That's hard with such inconsistencies. Here in the UK, we use words like referrer colour centre and so on. Seems that HTML is based on a foreign language. I prefer UK English. Everything web is just crappy English :/ But on topic, em is relative and is the width of an M. There you have it, but just don't mix it all up. There's a lot of confusion around fonts. (To illustrate, Word uses pts that are bigger than the ones in InDesign.) -- Cheers, Rob. » http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: Re[3]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
This is relevant in several respects: Firstly, we have to realise that there are some brain-dead mail filtering systems out there, and have to be careful about the words we use or quote in emails. I don't agree, I can be blue to people I know in person but profanity (including that mild but inelegant word) is simply not appropriate for this list. We have people of all ages and many cultures/religions including some clergy that won't appreciate the 'potty-type'. Don't do it and it won't be a problem. Common sense and courtesy rules and that means respect everyone. Secondly, the people behind these filters need to know that they are having their email censored for them. They probably do. Fourthly, we need to be wary of this stupidity spreading to HTML filtering. Maybe. What happens when bottom is considered too rude by a growing wave of prudery? margin-beneath, anyone? Now you're stretching :) And fifthly, be careful when inventing class names that they won't be a rude word in any possible language in the world! Why would you use anything like that? Why take the chance of embarrassing anyone? Iain End of discussion. Thanks, Peter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Underscores and multiple class names (WAS: Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue)
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Did some really small superficial test to see which older browsers support underscores in class names: - IE 4 no - IE 5, 5.5 yes - Netscape 4.77 yes (surprisingly) - Netscape 6 no - Netscape 7 yes (obviously this list is far from complete) While I was at it, also tested support for multiple class names (e.g. class=warning notice referring to .warning and .notice simultaneously): - IE 4 no - IE 5, 5.5 yes - Netscape 4.77 no - Netscape 6, 7 yes Now I remember why I joined the WSG list again... Thanks Patrick Underscores are not part of our CSS naming conventions, though a lot of them still slip through the net.. ;) Multiple class names, a trap for younger players class=arial bold red big Don't laugh... I've seen it done .. and it was thought cool at the time, until they were told otherwise..or cracked over the head, I can't recall.. ;) and look to make it blue all you do is change the class name to from red to blue, pretty cool eh? *shivers* Regards Chris Blown ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[5]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 12:11:52 PM, Peter wrote: And fifthly, be careful when inventing class names that they won't be a rude word in any possible language in the world! Why would you use anything like that? Why take the chance of embarrassing anyone? Now you are being silly. It's possible to check that a word is not rude in languages you do know (but even then not certain, unless you use a lot of rude words yourself) but it most certainly is not possible to do so for every language in the world. Didn't Sean Connery have to use a different alias in Europe because connery means something rude in one or more european languages? Iain End of discussion. Really? Seems not. Or is this some sort of attempt at censorship by an arrogant list admin, who doesn't want ridiculous assertions questioned? -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Michael Kear wrote: How does one get IE 7.1? Oh DER!!! I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2. It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1. Whoops. Netscape's been up to 7.2 since August. 7.1 has security bugs. -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** Rotary ONLY since 1973 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Sticky Drop Downs
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 07:24:05PM +1100, Neerav wrote: Paul What you need is http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ just a heads-up; this menu doesn't work in (some versions?) of konqueror, and as far as I can tell, shouldn't work at all according to the standards - I managed to fix it in konqueror, and as far as I've been able to test, I didn't break it anywhere else... http://geeksbynature.dk/~cers/css/suckerfish/ there are however still issues with a couple other bugs, most (including mine) are documented along with fixes here: http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/50.php#comments someone really ought to implement all the changes mentioned there, and see what happens... :) Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Paul Farrell wrote: Hello, I was wondering if someone could inform me or point me to a resource on how to make a navigation dropdown/popout menu 'sticky' as a user progress deeper. (Parent menu items stay in hover state). The particular menu that I am working on is here: http://www.paulfarrell.com.au/dev/index.php Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Paul Farrell ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Christian Sonne Stud. scient. math-phys at University of Copenhagen -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GM/S/CS/O d? s: a---? C++ UL++$ P+ L++ E--- W++ N o@ K? w !O M-- V? PS++(+) PE@ Y-- PGP-@ t+ 5? X++ R@ tv++ b+(++) DI+++ D G@ e+ h! r-(--) y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- http://geeksbynature.dk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...
Hi folks, My first post, since I've worked in print longer than web. In print, an em (and en) are mostly used to describe dashes (of the width of M and N) in a font. So they are appropriate to the task when used for that. They have been slightly redefined for the web (since an en is not always half an en): An em is a unit of measurement defined as the point size of the font12 point type uses a 12 point em. An en is one-half of an em. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/ Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 14, 2004, at 6:48 AM, Iain Harrison wrote: Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:22:18 AM, Rob wrote: I find the description of font-size a bit dodgy, I agree. Defining a font size in terms of a unit that is based on a font size seems pretty stupid to me too, but that's how it is. There are lots of stupidities around. Here in the UK, we use words like referrer colour centre and so on. Seems that HTML is based on a foreign language. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] pt, em and ex
Greetings, As Marilyn notes, CSS has inherited a technical vocabulary from another technology - typography. In that world... - The point (pt) size tells the printer how big is the distance from the top of the ascender to the bottom of the descender for that font. - An em is equal to the height of the font being used ( or in other words the point size). It is used to set the widths and height of other elements on the page that relate to the font placement. (indent at the beginning of paragraphs, etc.) - The X-height is the height of a letter excluding the ascenders and descenders. Different type faces have different ratios between the height of the letters and the width of the letters. The ratio between the pt and x-height illuminates that relationship. Em dashes and en dashes are the appropriate lengths dependant on the pt size of the font. Note that both the pt and x-height are descriptors of a particular font but the em is a relative unit used to design the page based on what font is selected. X-height was little used by printers and typesetters. It was more important to the designer of the typeface and to the person who selected which typeface was to be used for a particular job. In CSS, the terms are defined as - ems is the height of the element's font - x-height is the height of the letter 'x' In CSS both ems and ex are relative units based on what font is being used. In a way, font size:10pt; is not selecting at what size you wish to see the letters but a way of selecting a particular font. It could be that in the future, we will have a wider variety of typefaces available to use on the web, some of which will have differing body and ascender ratios. Web designers may then find the ability to use ex as well as em more useful than we do now. Mary Krieger Winnipeg MB Canada http://www.mts.net/~mkrieger/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Another body tag question ... [Use of dir]
FWIW, I consider this likely to be an incorrect usage of dir. The default is ltr, so it is hard to imagine a need for it on the body tag, though it's not incorrect to specify. However, direction should normally be specified for the html tag rather than body (it's inherited). And if it is expressed, it should use the bidi attributes provided for documents served as HTML/XHTML, rather than CSS, to indicate default directionality and directional changes. ie. if you are going to specify ltr directionality, better use: html dir=ltr For more info: Authoring Techniques for XHTML HTML Internationalization: see techniques starting with http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/outline/html-authoring-outline .html#ri20030728.094313871 (click on the directives to get more detailed info)(note: still in draft form) FAQ: CSS vs. markup for bidi support http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-bidi-css-markup RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neerav Sent: 14 November 2004 05:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Another body tag question ... direction:ltr = direction of text is left - right as opposed to some langauges which are right to left http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_text_direction.asp http://www.topxml.com/css/css_property_direction.asp Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Michael Kear wrote: Another body style question following from Felix's rant ... I looked at what Yahoo do in their style, (http://www.yahoo.com) and they have the following as their body style: body{font:84%/1.2em arial,sans-serif;direction:ltr} What's the point of setting the body font at 84% of 1.2em? (which is what I assume is what's happening). That's 100.8% if my arithmetic is correct, so is there any point to this instead of setting it to 100%/1.0em? What does the 'direction:ltr' part do? Cheers Mike Kear ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Mary Krieger wrote: - The point (pt) size tells the printer how big is the distance from the top of the ascender to the bottom of the descender for that font. - An em is equal to the height of the font being used ( or in other words the point size). It is used to set the widths and height of other elements on the page that relate to the font placement. (indent at the beginning of paragraphs, etc.) - The X-height is the height of a letter excluding the ascenders and descenders. Nice post, but some points need clarification: While pt's are fine for the print media type, when using the screen (by far the most commonly used media with CSS) pixels (px) essentially replace points. Also, while you description of ex height is correct, most (afaik, all) implementations of CSS use 1/2 of the em height instead. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 6:01:52 PM, Mordechai wrote: While pt's are fine for the print media type, when using the screen (by far the most commonly used media with CSS) pixels (px) essentially replace points. When you use points, the system has a chance to compensate for the screen resolution in use (though most don't, I accept). When you use pixels, high-res screens give tiny results. It's best to have the base set in ems (for IE compatibility reasons) and use relative sizes thereafter. Failing that, set the base in points, but not pixels. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] What you think? And will it work
http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk/index.php?p=4 Well all weekend ive finally been getting this site sorted after about 3months of saying I would. Basically im going to offer templates, menus and such that I either didn't use for clients work or test ones. Id also like some advice on the copyright side of things? Should I use one of them creative commerce thingies? Ps. Sites not live yet hence lack of content :) Many thanks Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / xhtmlandcss.co.uk / zinkmedia.co.uk / Currently looking for work ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] What you think? And will it work
Creative _Commons_ is the best you can do. Another thing you might want to add is a link or even generator meta to WordPress. It's published under the same CC you're referring to. On the concept: well, someone had to do it. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:44:13 -, Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk/index.php?p=4 Well all weekend ive finally been getting this site sorted after about 3months of saying I would. Basically im going to offer templates, menus and such that I either didn't use for clients work or test ones. Id also like some advice on the copyright side of things? Should I use one of them creative commerce thingies? Ps. Sites not live yet hence lack of content :) Many thanks Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / xhtmlandcss.co.uk / zinkmedia.co.uk / Currently looking for work ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Cheers, Rob. » http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Iain Harrison wrote: It's best to have the base set in ems (for IE compatibility reasons) and use relative sizes thereafter. In my experience IE doesn't resize ems consistently. I've come to use % for the base (on the html), then em (on the body) Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] What you think? And will it work
Yeah, I shall be placing a powered by wordpress bit, just not got round to that bit yet :) And as for your Someone had to do it your damn right :) I shall be opening up the site to other to submit stuff too maybe not public but if people wanted to join up drop me a mail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mientjes Sent: 14 November 2004 19:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What you think? And will it work Creative _Commons_ is the best you can do. Another thing you might want to add is a link or even generator meta to WordPress. It's published under the same CC you're referring to. On the concept: well, someone had to do it. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:44:13 -, Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk/index.php?p=4 Well all weekend ive finally been getting this site sorted after about 3months of saying I would. Basically im going to offer templates, menus and such that I either didn't use for clients work or test ones. Id also like some advice on the copyright side of things? Should I use one of them creative commerce thingies? Ps. Sites not live yet hence lack of content :) Many thanks Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / xhtmlandcss.co.uk / zinkmedia.co.uk / Currently looking for work ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Cheers, Rob. http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 8:02:50 PM, Patrick wrote: In my experience IE doesn't resize ems consistently. I've come to use % for the base (on the html), then em (on the body) Eh? That makes no sense to me. Body is a child of html. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Iain Harrison wrote: Sunday, November 14, 2004, 8:02:50 PM, Patrick wrote: In my experience IE doesn't resize ems consistently. I've come to use % for the base (on the html), then em (on the body) Eh? That makes no sense to me. Body is a child of html. I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is: I use html { font-size: 100%; } to get IE to play nice again when resizing (using View - Text-size), as it has a major flaw if you just use straight ems (the jumps between sizes are far too great). after that, I have body { font-size: 0.8em; } or whatever. Also note that, in practice, it seems that ems and percentages are interchangeable (if we leave aside the IE em resizing bug), so I could also say body { font-size: 80%; } Patrick H. Lauke -- _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 8:28:45 PM, Patrick wrote: it seems that ems and percentages are interchangeable Indeed. Unless you define a unit, I think the base unit is 1em. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] International Pages Check
Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html| || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Safari form problem
Hi Safari (1.2.4) has a problem with the layout of this form: http://dev5.signify.co.nz/templates/form.html All other tested browsers render it fine. Safari seemingly isn't clearing the textarea in the first fieldset, and is adding a huge amount of whitespace at the top of the second fieldset. Any ideas why? The css used is here: http://dev5.signify.co.nz/templates/css/appform.css Thanks. Mike Brown SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Height in IE6
I have redesigned a header for a web page. Firefox 1.0 displays the HTML and CSS just what I am trying to achieve. However, IE6 ignores the height in #logowrapper {. Why? And how do I fix it? Thank you. Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] International Pages Check
Hello Jason, Paul, Apart from the fact that a user would not always like to see their language associated with the flag of another country, there are other reasons for not using flags. If you want to specify Swiss German, vs Swiss French vs. Swiss Italian sites, you need a second level of choice than that offered by the national flag. Best use the name of the language in the language and script of the country. (For help with this see http://people.w3.org/rishida/names/languages.html ) Note also that the language expressed in the DOCTYPE should not be changed - the DTD is in English. It's the html language attribute that you should change. (I had to explain this to someone recently, so thought I'd mention it.) At the W3C we have been working on the ins and outs of language declarations over the past months (from a content author's perspective). It wasn't as straightforward as we thought! Please take a look at Authoring Techniques for XHTML HTML Internationalization: Specifying the language of content 1.0 [1] for the latest in-edit version of our recommendations. (There's also an attempt to make it easier to get advice on this via a summary page at [2]). For an example of how we do this (on pages that are actually content-language negotiated too), see [3]. Hope that helps, RI [1] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html [2] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/outline/html-authoring-outline .html [3] http://www.w3.org/International/O-charset Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Foss Sent: 14 November 2004 20:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] International Pages Check Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html || || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
have redesigned a header for a web page. Firefox 1.0 displays the HTML and CSS just what I am trying to achieve. However, IE6 ignores the height in #logowrapper {. Why? And how do I fix it? Thank you. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRF_css1.css Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Barring browser weirdness for a brief utopian moment, is this the way it is supposed to work.? In order for any text to appear, someone somewhere has to have chosen a font face and size. So choosing to use relative rather than absolute units for font size moves where the decision occurs. If the stylesheet belonging to the page uses an absolute unit like pt to set the size of the base font, the browser will attempt to use the page's stylesheet to set the default font size. If the stylesheet belonging to the page instead uses the relative unit % or ems to set the size of the base font, then the browser will set the default font size relative to the local machine's default stylesheet's font size. Here 1 em behaves the same way as 100%. If the stylesheet belonging to the page instead uses the relative unit px to set the size of the base font, then the browser will set the default font size relative to the local machine's resolution. If the remainder of the font-sizes in the stylesheet are set with relative units, the page should retain the size relationships of the page's stylesheet no matter where the decision about default font size occurs. Mary Krieger Winnipeg MB Canada http://www.mts.net/~mkrieger/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[3]: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 9:52:20 PM, Mary wrote: is this the way it is supposed to work.? That's my understanding of it, I think. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Michael, Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course, have written 76% or 0.76em. I read somewhere (I'm sure someone on the list will remember where) that 76% works for all modern browsers better than 75%, because of a rendering difference in one of the browsers. -Hugh 5) I'd suggest setting your body font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). Thanks for your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
There was a mention in Scott Parsons' very useful talk (Thursday's Sydney meeting) of the difficulty of validating pages when they were inside a firewall. I just thought I'd post that it's not impossible, and give you some links to help you install your own validator. I'm not a perl/Linux/Apache guru by any means, quite the opposite -- this advice is offered in the spirit of if I can do it, how hard can it be? Here's the W3Cs page where the validator is offered for download: http://validator.w3.org/source/ and here are specific instructions for installing it on Mac OSX from Apple http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/validator.html and some less formal advice from Mediaville http://www.mediaville.net/articles/validator/ Here's the relevant link for the installation of the WDG validator (validates whole sites): http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/source.html We had quite an easy run installing the WDG one, simply because we happened to have a server on our network already which was running RedHat 7.x, and I persuaded the Systems guy running it to let me install the validator from one of the packages: http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/packages/ So, if you've already got such a thing as a server with a compatible version of Linux, it could be relatively straightforward. If you can spare a Mac OSX machine, either as a whole or don't mind having it run a web server as well as do other work, ditto. If you haven't got a spare machine, remember that RedHat Linux will run on quite old clunky PCs, and every office has got one of those lying about, surely? All you need now is a spare network connection. I would even venture that this is the kind of project that a work-experience person could do, given the right work-experience person! Hope that encourages you to try for internal standards-based validation, jh Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 2110 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
have redesigned a header for a web page. Firefox 1.0 displays the HTML and CSS just what I am trying to achieve. However, IE6 ignores the height in #logowrapper {. Why? And how do I fix it? Thank you. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm I get a 404 error on this URL and can't guess the right page. Again? Damian CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRF_css1.css Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari form problem
you're floating the textarea: remove this declaration from the CSS: form#application div.row textarea cheers Terry On 2004-11-15 10:05 AM, Mike Brown wrote: Hi Safari (1.2.4) has a problem with the layout of this form: http://dev5.signify.co.nz/templates/form.html All other tested browsers render it fine. Safari seemingly isn't clearing the textarea in the first fieldset, and is adding a huge amount of whitespace at the top of the second fieldset. Any ideas why? The css used is here: http://dev5.signify.co.nz/templates/css/appform.css Thanks. Mike Brown SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
Damian HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm I get a 404 error on this URL and can't guess the right page. Sorry. I should check my typing. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Hugh, thanks for your suggestions. I'm sorry that in the rush yesterday I didn't thank you for your input. I've implemented all of your suggestions and I have a better site now as a result. Thanks I notice that on one page now that the fonts are smaller, the flow of text has resulted in some orphan text alongside an image, so I'll have to change the standard image width a bit i think. But broadly speaking, the site is something I am quite pleased with.I should also say that the radio community is far more impressed than this group. I have had a number of gushing testimonials from webmasters at other stations.For the record, I've racked up 67 hours on this project so far, and maybe another 60 or so to go before I'll call it complete and in the maintenance only phase. In addition to the CSS, i've written all my own code. It's fully dynamic, with access going to be given to about 60 people to different parts of the site for different roles. Each can work on their own parts of the site without it appearing in public until it's ready and approved by someone with the right authority level. In addition we're going to be taking 2 web services feeds, and providing half a dozen to other sites.I'm really thrilled with how fast it loads even though it's hosted on a shared environment in the midwest of the USA.Anyway, thanks for everyone's help with this site (it's http://hawkradio.org.au if you're coming in late to the discussion) and I'm still interested in anyone's input about any aspect of the site, as long as it's polite.CheersMike KearAFP WebworksWindsor, NSW, Australia - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!Date: 15/11/04 10:06Michael,Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course, have written "76% or0.76em".I read somewhere (I'm sure someone on the list will remember where)that 76% works for all modern browsers better than 75%, because of arendering difference in one of the browsers.-Hugh 5) I'd suggest setting your "body" font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). Thanks for your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it.**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question to the others ...
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: Hi folks, My first post, since I've worked in print longer than web. In print, an em (and en) are mostly used to describe dashes (of the width of M and N) in a font. So they are appropriate to the task when used for that. They have been slightly redefined for the web (since an en is not always half an em). Hi Marilyn, To add to your posting: and the capital M or roman m are nowadays not really an em or en wide. An em is a unit of measurement defined as the point size of the font12 point type uses a 12 point em. An en is one-half of an em. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/ An excellent explanation of the em and en units: http://css.nu/articles/typograph1-en.html#Ch23 As always, someone has dug up al the idiosyncrasies that made id from the physical world to the digital space. :-) Jeroen -- vizi fotografie grafisch ontwerp - http://www.vizi.nl/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
Damian HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm I get a 404 error on this URL and can't guess the right page. Sorry. I should check my typing. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm IE is not your only issue. Safari has only a thin line (apparently ignoring the min-height setting) above the h1 making it unreadable. Damian Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Faux columns not staying horizontal
Hello WSG. My website at http://mavos.net/ is messing with my head. Actually it's Internet Explorer that's messing with my head. The two columns marked with red and yellow for debugging purposes don't stay next to each other in Internet Explorer, but the right column falls down below the content. Any ideas why this is happening? It's driving me crazy. The fact that I don't have access to Internet Explorer doesn't make debugging a whole lot easier. Maybe there's a better solution to this layout than using two left-floated divs? Everything works fine in Mozilla Firefox, of course. /Martin Vollrathson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex
Mary Krieger wrote: Barring browser weirdness for a brief utopian moment, is this the way it is supposed to work.? In order for any text to appear, someone somewhere has to have chosen a font face and size. So choosing to use relative rather than absolute units for font size moves where the decision occurs. Precisely. This also is the reason why 'px' is the worst unit to define font size in, as Internet Explorer still cannot increase or decrease the size of fonts set in pixels. Common accessibility and usability practice is to allow visitors the freedom to adapt font sizing to their personal preferences. If the stylesheet belonging to the page uses an absolute unit like pt to set the size of the base font, the browser will attempt to use the page's stylesheet to set the default font size. The specified author stylesheet will almost always be used; only an !important in a user or browser stylesheet will override this. See: http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/topics/cascade.htm If the stylesheet belonging to the page instead uses the relative unit % or ems to set the size of the base font, then the browser will set the default font size relative to the local machine's default stylesheet's font size. Here 1 em behaves the same way as 100%. What happens is that instead of forcing an absolute reference font size (in px or pt), you take the user's font size as the basic type size.. If the stylesheet belonging to the page instead uses the relative unit px to set the size of the base font, then the browser will set the default font size relative to the local machine's resolution. Pixels are not a relative unit; they're as absolute for screen rendering as point sizes are for the printing press. If the remainder of the font-sizes in the stylesheet are set with relative units, the page should retain the size relationships of the page's stylesheet no matter where the decision about default font size occurs. Unless the user declares he wants to see h1 elements at 400% of the base font size. ;-) Jeroen -- vizi fotografie grafisch ontwerp - http://www.vizi.nl/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
Damian I took out the min-height: out. Does that make any change? HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRF_css1.css Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Laurie Keith wrote: Hi, If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com Hi Laurie, Others have cracked down on the Flash thing, so I'll focus on some other issues. Basically, it's a clean, neat site, but it has some problems: - The site doesn't show the usual 'hand' cursor when hovering a link. While this may look cool at first, it is a serious usability problem. The hand cursor is the single most effective way to say: 'this is a link'. - The scrollbar on the Press page is a bit 'under designed'. :-) If you choose to use Flash, make the scrollbars blend in with the overall design; a standard Windows bar just is out of place, so it seems. - Why the arrow in the top right? Why not maximize the width of the Flashmovie in the first place? Bonus: it looks better, too. - The small type in the portfolio sections (the text under the images) is pretty hard to read; I'd suggest to (a) increase the font size, or to (b) take a lighter weight _and_ to make the type pitch black, or to (c) disable anti-aliassing for that type. - The placement of the submenu is not really logical. I understand the design choice to place the menus on top of each other, but I'm a graphic designer, so that doesn't really count. ;-) My guess would be that the feedback (I click on Work and there's a submenu for this 'Work' section) would be much stronger if the menus would be next to eachother, or if a line or other visual clue would connect the highlighted menu-item with its submenu in the bottom half. The portfolio is pretty neat, so it's a pity the rest of the puzzle doesn't really fall in place to convince people to stay and click around (and that's what this site needs, right?). Jeroen -- vizi fotografie grafisch ontwerp - http://www.vizi.nl/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
In order to stop Russ from hassling me about it every time I see him, I've thrown together a small demo/explanation of the latest greatest image replacement method (well, 'fancy heading method', really): http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ I'm sure I'm not the first to use it, but I can't find much mention of it anywhere else, so I might as well get my name on it before Doug Bowman or someone does :p Feel free to point out all the flaws, spelling mistakes, ethically questionable uses of CSS, etc. Oh, and I launched my new design over the weekend: http://lindsayevans.com/ Yes, I am well aware of all of the validation errors, each weighs heavily upon my soul, but I wanted to get it live before I got bored with it started redesigning yet again. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
Damian I took out the min-height: out. Does that make any change? HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRF_css1.css This now looks broken in Firefox (image smaller and too high) and the image doesn't display at all in Safari. You've also now got height: 4empx in the logowrapper definition. Damian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Check
Hi All, Just launched a mini-site while the core is under redesign @ ckimedia.com, all insight is most welcome. C Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] International Pages Check
Thanks Richard - we did have that trouble with Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese. Same flag - didn't really know how to differentiate them. Cheers! On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:22:18 -, Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jason, Paul, Apart from the fact that a user would not always like to see their language associated with the flag of another country, there are other reasons for not using flags. If you want to specify Swiss German, vs Swiss French vs. Swiss Italian sites, you need a second level of choice than that offered by the national flag. Best use the name of the language in the language and script of the country. (For help with this see http://people.w3.org/rishida/names/languages.html ) Note also that the language expressed in the DOCTYPE should not be changed - the DTD is in English. It's the html language attribute that you should change. (I had to explain this to someone recently, so thought I'd mention it.) At the W3C we have been working on the ins and outs of language declarations over the past months (from a content author's perspective). It wasn't as straightforward as we thought! Please take a look at Authoring Techniques for XHTML HTML Internationalization: Specifying the language of content 1.0 [1] for the latest in-edit version of our recommendations. (There's also an attempt to make it easier to get advice on this via a summary page at [2]). For an example of how we do this (on pages that are actually content-language negotiated too), see [3]. Hope that helps, RI [1] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html [2] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/outline/html-authoring-outline .html [3] http://www.w3.org/International/O-charset Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Foss Sent: 14 November 2004 20:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] International Pages Check Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html || || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows
[WSG] -moz-border-radius
Lindsay I note that you're using the proprietary -moz-border-radius to achieve a rounded look just like I decided to a month ago at www.bhatt.id.au after evaluating the various rounded corner methods and finding them to be a pain to implement I contend that while it does make the stylesheet invalid, it shouldnt cause parsing errors because its the last few lines of my CSS file, its use is harmless and is OK for personal sites. more details www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/extensions/nsextensions.htm http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/column70/ -moz-border-radius, -moz-border-radius-topleft, -moz-border-radius-topright, -moz-border-radius-bottomleft, -moz-border-radius-bottomright Support: Netscape 7+, Mozilla 0.95+ Inherited: No Allowed Values: - Inherit: Use the value of this property from the parent element. - [Length]: Specifies a length and unit of the border/corner radius. - [Percentage]: Specifies a percentage. Not sure of what the percentage relates to. Purpose: This property controls the curve radius of borders at the corners, allowing corners to be rounded (otherwise, borders are usually squared off.) The '-moz-border-radius' property is a shorthand method for controlling this effect for each corner. If one value is specified, it applies to all corners. If only two values exist, the first applies to the top-left and bottom-right, while the second value applies to the top-right and bottom-left. If all four values are specified, they control, in order: [top-left] [top-right] [bottom-right] [bottom-left] Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Lindsay Evans wrote: In order to stop Russ from hassling me about it every time I see him, I've thrown together a small demo/explanation of the latest greatest image replacement method (well, 'fancy heading method', really): http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ I'm sure I'm not the first to use it, but I can't find much mention of it anywhere else, so I might as well get my name on it before Doug Bowman or someone does :p Feel free to point out all the flaws, spelling mistakes, ethically questionable uses of CSS, etc. Oh, and I launched my new design over the weekend: http://lindsayevans.com/ Yes, I am well aware of all of the validation errors, each weighs heavily upon my soul, but I wanted to get it live before I got bored with it started redesigning yet again. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Faux columns not staying horizontal
G'day My website at http://mavos.net/ is messing with my head. ... right column falls down below the content. Any ideas why this is happening? It's driving me crazy. Looks like the IE Doubled Float-Margin Bug. As a result of the double (left) margin, there's not enough room for your #menu div within the #container div so MSIE drops it below the #content div. See http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html for a description AND a solution. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Fw: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Just asmall point Mike but in the section Webcam you have a spelling error, teh instead of the. Cheers Maureen Beattie Hugh, thanks for your suggestions. I'm sorry that in the rush yesterday I didn't thank you for your input. I've implemented all of your suggestions and I have a better site now as a result. Thanks I notice that on one page now that the fonts are smaller, the flow of text has resulted in some orphan text alongside an image, so I'll have to change the standard image width a bit i think. But broadly speaking, the site is something I am quite pleased with.I should also say that the radio community is far more impressed than this group. I have had a number of gushing testimonials from webmasters at other stations.For the record, I've racked up 67 hours on this project so far, and maybe another 60 or so to go before I'll call it complete and in the maintenance only phase. In addition to the CSS, i've written all my own code. It's fully dynamic, with access going to be given to about 60 people to different parts of the site for different roles. Each can work on their own parts of the site without it appearing in public until it's ready and approved by someone with the right authority level. In addition we're going to be taking 2 web services feeds, and providing half a dozen to other sites.I'm really thrilled with how fast it loads even though it's hosted on a shared environment in the midwest of the USA.Anyway, thanks for everyone's help with this site (it's http://hawkradio.org.au if you're coming in late to the discussion) and I'm still interested in anyone's input about any aspect of the site, as long as it's polite.CheersMike KearAFP WebworksWindsor, NSW, Australia - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!Date: 15/11/04 10:06Michael,Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course, have written "76% or0.76em".I read somewhere (I'm sure someone on the list will remember where)that 76% works for all modern browsers better than 75%, because of arendering difference in one of the browsers.-Hugh 5) I'd suggest setting your "body" font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). Thanks for your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it.**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
Lindsay Evans wrote: http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ You forgot to close the second comment. Fundamentally though, unless I'm missing something: if you have an image with alpha transparency, you get duplication (at least in Firefox) . The normal heading is rendered, regardless of the font embedding not working (as you also provided fallback fonts). Additionally, I seem to be getting the image on its own line, and the normal text on the following one. As I said, maybe I'm missing something... Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Underscores and multiple class names (WAS: Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue)
I understand the sillyness of class names like 'red' 'blue' 'bold' 'fontname' etc, but what is wrong with assigning multiple class names to an object? For example, I have many images on a page, some need a border, others don't. Some with borders need to also be floated, while others don't. I achieve this with using multiple classes on the object eg class=borders floatR or just class=floatR for those that don't need the border, but must float. Is there an issue with this method or have a missed the point of your post? On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:43:24 +1100, Chris Blown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Multiple class names, a trap for younger players class=arial bold red big Don't laugh... I've seen it done .. and it was thought cool at the time, until they were told otherwise..or cracked over the head, I can't recall.. ;) and look to make it blue all you do is change the class name to from red to blue, pretty cool eh? *shivers* Regards Chris Blown ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
I'll often use padding to cater to browsers that ignore the min-height or height attribute. On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:05:22 +1100, Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damian I took out the min-height: out. Does that make any change? HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRF_css1.css This now looks broken in Firefox (image smaller and too high) and the image doesn't display at all in Safari. You've also now got height: 4empx in the logowrapper definition. Damian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:54:36 +, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You forgot to close the second comment. Ooops, thanks. Fixed now. The perils of copy n' paste :p Fundamentally though, unless I'm missing something: if you have an image with alpha transparency, you get duplication (at least in Firefox) . The normal heading is rendered, regardless of the font embedding not working (as you also provided fallback fonts). Additionally, I seem to be getting the image on its own line, and the normal text on the following one. As I said, maybe I'm missing something... Hmm, you're quite right. It *does* work in Firefox, I must've just left something important out, probably a height or something along those lines. That's what I get for throwing things together in a rush :) I'll fix when I get home. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
On 15 Nov 2004, at 7:07 am, John Horner wrote: and here are specific instructions for installing it on Mac OSX from Apple http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/validator.html and some less formal advice from Mediaville http://www.mediaville.net/articles/validator/ That Mediaville article is a bit outdated, as the W3C has made the process slightly more easy. The article on Apple's website has been updated to reflect this. I did have some problems editing the config file on OS X: http://emps.l-c-n.com/articles/72/html-validator-2 Other than that, it installs as a breeze, and it is extremely useful to have on your local dev server, esp when you work with dynamic pages (includes, etc). Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Underscores and multiple class names (WAS: Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue)
Hi Natalie I achieve this with using multiple classes on the object eg class=borders floatR or just class=floatR for those that don't need the border, but must float. Is there an issue with this method or have a missed the point of your post? I have used the exact method you describe, and I likewise wondered about the issues. It comes down to a couple of things ( other WSG member might add to this too ) Usually the elements you are styling like this are groups of images or groups of other similar elements. If you need to alter the position of one you have to edit the markup and that feels a bit like presentation in the markup. If you want to alter the complete group then you could edit the CSS, but now your naming is wrong floatR should be floatL for example, Then you really should to do a global search replace in the markup to get it straight. Though there is a case for this in relation to reducing CSS redundancy. Regards Chris Blown ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Other than that, it installs as a breeze, and it is extremely useful to have on your local dev server, esp when you work with dynamic pages (includes, etc). On windows, for quick and dirty html-only validation, it's also worth looking at the Tidy extension for Firefox https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=249vid=1070 I know it's been mentioned before, but I thought it was worth another heads-up... Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:07:20 +1100, John Horner wrote: I just thought I'd post that it's not impossible, and give you some links to help you install your own validator. Does anyone have any equally useful links (Thanks, John!) on evaluating accessability inside a firewall? Everything I've found assumes the page is web-accessable :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
Another Firefox extension that has local validation tools (among many others) can be found here. http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ Does anyone have any equally useful links (Thanks, John!) on evaluating accessability inside a firewall? Everything I've found assumes the page is web-accessable :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] -moz-border-radius
The stylesheet is not invalid, it just doesn't validate (expl.: the validator is stuck to CSS 2.0 while proprietary extensions are allowed in CSS 2.01). Neerav wrote: ... I contend that while it does make the stylesheet invalid, it shouldnt cause parsing errors because its the last few lines of my CSS file, its use is harmless and is OK for personal sites. Dejan Kozina Web Design Studio Dolina 346 (TS) I-34018 Trst/Trieste - Italy tel./fax: +39 040 228 436 cell.: +39 348 7355 225 http://www.kozina.com/ e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] begin:vcard fn:Dejan Kozina n:Kozina;Dejan org:Dejan Kozina Web Design Studio adr:;;Dolina 346;Dolina;TS;I-34018;Italy email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+39 348 7355 225 tel;fax:+39 040 228 436 tel;home:+39 040 228 436 tel;cell:+39 348 7355 225 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.kozina.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows
Natalie Thank you. I forgot about the padding property. I put in padding: 0; and I have what I am looking for. Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] -moz-border-radius
Neerav wrote: I contend that while it does make the stylesheet invalid, it shouldnt cause parsing errors because its the last few lines of my CSS file, its use is harmless and is OK for personal sites. CSS3 has a similar attribute *, does anybody see the -moz-border-radius attribute causing problems with this in the future? BTW: Lindsay, /me likes the design good work :) * http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-border-20021107/#the-border-radius -- /** * Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin * [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| * #1 Computer Services \`/ \'/ _| |_|| * BSD/UNIX Cisco Network Engineer\ /,\ /,\ /| |_||_ **/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] -moz-border-radius
On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 05:32:38AM +0100, Dejan Kozina wrote: The stylesheet is not invalid, it just doesn't validate (expl.: the validator is stuck to CSS 2.0 while proprietary extensions are allowed in CSS 2.01). Indeed, for further reading: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#q4 Since css doesn't include a way of specifying to which version you are conforming, the validator simply assumes you are using the latest reccomended version (2.0 atm) and as Dejan said therefor does not validate 'by default'. Neerav wrote: ... I contend that while it does make the stylesheet invalid, it shouldnt cause parsing errors because its the last few lines of my CSS file, its use is harmless and is OK for personal sites. Dejan Kozina Web Design Studio Dolina 346 (TS) I-34018 Trst/Trieste - Italy tel./fax: +39 040 228 436 cell.: +39 348 7355 225 http://www.kozina.com/ e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] begin:vcard fn:Dejan Kozina n:Kozina;Dejan org:Dejan Kozina Web Design Studio adr:;;Dolina 346;Dolina;TS;I-34018;Italy email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+39 348 7355 225 tel;fax:+39 040 228 436 tel;home:+39 040 228 436 tel;cell:+39 348 7355 225 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.kozina.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard -- Christian Sonne Stud. scient. math-phys at University of Copenhagen -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GM/S/CS/O d? s: a---? C++ UL++$ P+ L++ E--- W++ N o@ K? w !O M-- V? PS++(+) PE@ Y-- PGP-@ t+ 5? X++ R@ tv++ b+(++) DI+++ D G@ e+ h! r-(--) y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- http://geeksbynature.dk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Design template for CMS, any thougts?
Hi!I've been working on a template to use for a new version of our cms.The idea is that the HTML-code (core) will be allmost the same for all the customers. Changes to the design is to be done only in the stylesheet. (yes... like www.csszengarden.com :-)I think I've managed to get it close to perfect, but I would very much like a second opinion from you wizes out there, before I decide to put it to work.Please disregard links etc., they're not working yet. My goal is that the pages are accessible, SEO-friendly and that the design will be easy to change. I would really appreciate some quality feedback on this subject as the cms is suppose to be finished yesterday :-) The template is validated XHTML and CSS. The link to the html (xhtml) is http://www.siteman.no/v4/web_bi/webdeal/and the stylesheet is locatedat http://www.siteman.no/v4/web_bi/webdeal/sitestyle.css Thanks in advance, Ben @ siteman, norway www.siteman.no
Re: [WSG] Design template for CMS, any thougts?
Hi Ben The concept is a good one, glad to see you are running with it. I'd change some of your class/id names - example: column 1, column 2 - they may not be columns at all in the long run. Something like primary or secondary might suit? I wish I wrote clean enough markup so I didn't have to rip the guts out of a site when I go to redesign! Natalie. On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:29:00 +0100, Siteman DA - Bent Inge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I've been working on a template to use for a new version of our cms. The idea is that the HTML-code (core) will be allmost the same for all the customers. Changes to the design is to be done only in the stylesheet. (yes... like www.csszengarden.com :-) I think I've managed to get it close to perfect, but I would very much like a second opinion from you wizes out there, before I decide to put it to work. Please disregard links etc., they're not working yet. My goal is that the pages are accessible, SEO-friendly and that the design will be easy to change. I would really appreciate some quality feedback on this subject as the cms is suppose to be finished yesterday :-) The template is validated XHTML and CSS. The link to the html (xhtml) is http://www.siteman.no/v4/web_bi/webdeal/ and the stylesheet is located at http://www.siteman.no/v4/web_bi/webdeal/sitestyle.css Thanks in advance, Ben @ siteman, norway www.siteman.no -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Design template for CMS, any thougts?
I would really appreciate some quality feedback on this subject as the cms is suppose to be finished yesterday :-) The template is validated XHTML and CSS. The link to the html (xhtml) is http://www.siteman.no/v4/web_bi/webdeal/ and the stylesheet is located at http://www.siteman.no/v4/web_bi/webdeal/sitestyle.css Your design width is pretty wide for smaller monitors it seems to me. It takes perhaps 2/3 of the width of my 20 inch monitor in Safari to see it all. Maybe if the center content part could be fluid that would help. Also the what I believe to be Search Webdeal form is hanging out to the right as the only content there. Maybe it's supposed to be above Siste artikler? In Safari it is not. There is nearly infinite white space below your page content in Safari (current version). I can scroll down for hours and see only white. I'm not sure I'd ever go with full-justified text, but maybe that's a personal thing. I just don't really like extra space between words that only serves to full-justify the text. Loads fast - clean design - and here I am of Norwegian descent (1/2) and understand none of the language ;-( HTH Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:23:54 +1100, Paul Farrell wrote: Another Firefox extension that has local validation tools (among many others) can be found here. http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ No, no - not validation. Accessability. Things that are easy to check at eg. http://www.hisoftware.com/accmonitorsitetest/ or http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/ ... but these both require the checked item to be web accessible. Anyone? I'm thinking I'll have to create my own toolbar :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **