Re: [WSG] Float-less layouts
Thank u vincent i will try it n get back to u... On Jan 10, 2008 11:50 AM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: You're saying that a wrapper is needed to enclose all other elements in a document to give it more meaning? No I'm not. Point out to me where I'm saying that. I said: Why would we need to group containers together if it is not for styling purpose? You answered: Because we're saying that anything in the container belongs together (thematically, content-wise, logically, etc). I said: Do we use a wrapper because it brings more meanings to the document or because it let us center our layout, create faux columns etc.? You answered: To create meaning, of course. So I believe my question made sense. And I'm tired of your lengthy metaphysical argument about meaning. Have fun turning the world into lists. As I said on GAWDS, why not turns sentences into ordered lists of words, and words into ordered lists of letters, next? Surely that would carry more meaning, no? Do I say anywhere people should use lists for everything? Do I even say anywhere people should use lists for construct? I thought the discussion was about the semantic value of DIVs. That's the discussion I was trying to have here. But almost in every single post of yours you mention lists. Get over it or move to the other thread where we do talk about lists. *rolls eyes* what do you think I've been doing since our discussion on GAWDS? ;) -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com http://www.tjkdesign.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Gitanjali, Web Designer, *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Acronym element
On 9/1/08 (20:18) dwain said: i was mistaken earlier saying cynthia says remarked on having to have the title attribute on the abbr element. after i added titles to the abbr element i didn't get the error. Dwain, I didn't quite follow that. You initially reported that Cynthia gave an error telling you to add titles to the abbr tags. You added them and the error went away. In what way was your initial report mistaken? Surely this is what one would expect to happen? Or am I missing/misreading something? -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Acronym element
it was taw that gave me the error not cynthia says. that was my error. dwain On 1/10/08, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/08 (20:18) dwain said: i was mistaken earlier saying cynthia says remarked on having to have the title attribute on the abbr element. after i added titles to the abbr element i didn't get the error. Dwain, I didn't quite follow that. You initially reported that Cynthia gave an error telling you to add titles to the abbr tags. You added them and the error went away. In what way was your initial report mistaken? Surely this is what one would expect to happen? Or am I missing/misreading something? -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] autostrech rounded css rectangle
Hi , Anybody please help me to get an autostretch rounded css rectangle. My requirement is a rounded rectangle which shows in mouseover. Ie.. the rectangle is in absolute position. The contents are dynamically loading in the rectangle. So it should strech according to that... Thanks a ton in advacne ... Thanks and regards Naveen bhaskar. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] how to set table column widths with CSS
Gday, Can someone please remind me how to set the width on a simple table column without suffering classitis? Doctype: HTML4.01 strict. Must validate. Thanks! Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] autostrech rounded css rectangle
Hello Naveen, help me to get an autostretch rounded css rectangle. Would this meet your needs? It can be a rectangle if you want. http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_smart_corners.php Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] autostrech rounded css rectangle
Thanks for the link mike, but it should be stretchable both horizontally and vertically. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:43 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] autostrech rounded css rectangle Hello Naveen, help me to get an autostretch rounded css rectangle. Would this meet your needs? It can be a rectangle if you want. http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_smart_corners.php Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations
David Hucklesby wrote: On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:13:13 +1100, Chris Knowles wrote: because thats a different issue. Its an issue of the user not upgrading to software thats available and thats better. ... Just one niggle here. The user might well be using a computer at work, school, a library, or an Internet café. What chance do these millions have of upgrading? It *is* possible to conform to web standards *and* to write code that is accessible to a wide audience, as a great deal of Thierry's writing makes abundantly clear. As an example, I work for a school district that still inflicts Netscape 4 on its children. A clean, semantically marked-up plain HTML page with little or no styling should work fine for them, I hope. I'm not sure why you're quoting me out of context like this? I wasn't suggesting writing non-standards conforming, inaccessible code. And I wasn't suggesting internet cafe customers or the schoolchildren you speak of could upgrade their browsers. But the internet cafe and the school could, but choose not to. Whereas the screen reader user with up to date software that lacks certain support can't upgrade. Therefore, those two groups are different, not the same as was suggested, which was the only point I was making with that particular quote. -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how to set table column widths with CSS
- using style attribute on appropriate cell or - using col element with width attribute, though it's not CSS. On Jan 11, 2008 8:59 AM, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gday, Can someone please remind me how to set the width on a simple table column without suffering classitis? Doctype: HTML4.01 strict. Must validate. Thanks! Kat -- Алексей *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how to set table column widths with CSS
On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Katrina wrote:
Gday,
Can someone please remind me how to set the width on a simple table
column without suffering classitis?
Doctype: HTML4.01 strict. Must validate.
What is wrong with classes ?
else:
col:first-child {width:10em;}
col:first-child+col {width: 5em;}
...
or
td:first-child {width:10em;}
td:first-child+td {width: 5em;}
...
But: congratulations! your stylesheet just took a beating as far as
performance goes.
Philippe
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http://emps.l-c-n.com
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Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Because like I said, following this logic why not using table markup to give users of other UAs (old visual browsers like IE 5 Mac, NN6, etc) a better experience too? Why just SR users? because thats a different issue. Its an issue of the user not upgrading to software thats available and thats better. The issue we speak of is the user unable to do anything about the situation themselves because there is no better software, so we should look after them if we can. User not upgrading to software that's available and that's better. Do you think it's that simple? no i don't Believe me, many people do not have that choice. I know. But someone does. If i own a business and make my staff use IE6 then thats my choice because theres something better out there - my staff can't do anything about it but i can. Which is different to screen reader users who have up to date software that lacks some features. They have no choice to upgrade. Therefore they are a different group to the users of the other UA's you mention. Therefore, it doesn't follow that it's using the same logic if we use tables like you suggest. Although i applaud your commitment, I feel your approach is very academic in nature. As someone who mostly earns their living by producing websites for businesses, I feel that it's my job to do whatever delivers the best user experience for the people who are the end users of the site. And, although I firmly believe in adhering to standards (why would I be here otherwise?), if that means using heading and paragraph tags instead of dl's then so be it. And I don't think it's right to use these client websites as a means to make a stand against user agent vendors if it means sacrificing any of that usability. -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
