Re: [WSG] Matthew J Robinson is out of the office.
Matthew, reporting that I may have received this email in error, and confirming that I will delete it. I'm not sure that I have made any copies, but this is a gmail account, and you never know what those google guys are up to, really. Hope you're enjoying going tropo (troppo?). Best regards, Andrew On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:09 AM, matthew.j.robin...@nab.com.au wrote: I will be out of the office starting 31/10/2011 and will not return until 09/11/2011. I will respond to your message when I return. I have gone tropo! Please send any urgent requests to Content Services The information contained in this email and its attachments may be confidential. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email, delete this email and destroy any copy. Any advice contained in this email has been prepared without taking into account your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before acting on any advice in this email, National Australia Bank Limited (NAB) recommends that you consider whether it is appropriate for your circumstances. If this email contains reference to any financial products, NAB recommends you consider the Product Disclosure Statement (PDS) or other disclosure document available from NAB, before making any decisions regarding any products. If this email contains any promotional content that you do not wish to receive, please reply to the original sender and write Don't email promotional material in the subject. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessibilty: avoid radio buttons?
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:14 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: I am building a site that must meet wcag 2.0 compliant. A web form has radio buttons option, and according to afb.org: Radio buttons are not supported consistently by all versions of browsers, screen readers, and combinations. A correctly labeled and tagged set of radio buttons is a very difficult control for users of screen-reading technology. If a choose only one situation is called for, a select menu is preferable. Is this a sound advice? Thanks! tee Tee, does it work with a keyboard only? Can you operate it with a screen reader like NVDA with your eyes closed? There's a whole lot more to code-level conformance than those two things, and a whole lot more to WCAG 2.0 conformance than code-level conformance, but if you get those two things right then you've made a brilliant start. Best regards, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing
Hi, It's worth looking at what W3C has to say - see http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/Overview.html - but it depends what your goals are. Do you want to pick up as many code-level issues as possible or undertake a conformance check in accordance with the WCAG 2.0 standard? Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd faci...@gmail.com http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss On 25/06/2011, at 2:15 AM, Spellacy, Michael michael.spell...@tmp.com wrote: Hi WSG Friends! The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as good a job? Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have! Regards, Spell Michael Spellacy Lead User Interface Developer TMP Worldwide Advertising Communications, LLC 125 Broad Street, 10th Floor New York, NY 10004 www.tmp.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing
There's a range of code level checker options available as add ons for FF, and some web based options. Andrew Boyd faci...@gmail.com http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss On 25/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: The Visionaustralia accessibility toolbar looks interesting but only works on Windows and IE5 and above. This could hardly be described as a 'web srandards compliant' application. Has anything been done that is platform independent or for Mac or Linux? Jim [Mobile] On 25/06/2011 4:32 AM, Doug Burt flyin...@shaw.ca wrote: Hey Gang, I just downloaded the visonaustralia.org toolbar offered there, seems to work great and caught a batch of errors I thought were gone after using another validation program. Neat find Chad, thanks for passing it along it's a great resource... Cheers, Doug Burt -Original Message- On Behalf Of Chad Kelly Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing Hi Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions. They have a free toolbar you can download. I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be interested in that kind of a service? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] screen reader friendly and keyboard accessible popup?
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Smith, Jamie jamie.sm...@dbs.fldoe.org wrote: After the click me link is selected a person using speech read Keyboard Accessible Popup Click me - This is keyboard accessible, but will the empty link creates redundant noise for screen reader? Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Close Click me The person did not like the redundant text and wonder why a regular message box wasn't used. Jamie, this just proves to me that nobody really likes Lorem ipsum... :) Seriously though, I am not sure I get what you are saying. Is the problem that the link text is read twice to the screen reader user? And just out of interest, which screen reader were they using? Best regards, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessibility: government
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Lucl...@dzinelabs.com wrote: Good afternoon list, Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of accessibility features for each country (governments)? -- Regards, Luc Hi Luc, here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of accessibility issues (amongst others) at http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html Others may wish to add to the list above. Best regards, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxaustralia.com.au -- UX Australia Conference Canberra 2009 http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss http://resilientnationaustralia.org Resilient Nation Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] OT: Dominos Pizza - Looking for someone who's worked there
...and if anyone knows who designed the dominos.com.au online ordering system, please let me know. I'd like to have a quiet word with them :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd faci...@gmail.com http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss On 16/06/2009, at 10:51 AM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: This is off-topic for this list so please respond direct to me rather than the list ... I'm looking to have a quick chat to someone who's worked at Dominos Pizza some time in the last 5 years - not necessarily in the IT area - even someone who's delivered pizzas would do. But if you've worked there or know something of how they operate, I'd be grateful if you could contact me. (Just being a customer isn't enough - I am too) I need to ask a fairly basic question about an aspect of their operations - I wont be asking you to break any confidences and its not for any competing project. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 02-4577-4898 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote: I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising. www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk and this response is brought to you by BarCampCanberra2™ BarCampCanberra2™ Twice the Fun, Twice the Learning, Twice the Excitement! http://barcamp.org/BarCampCanberra2 Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxaustralia.com.au -- UX Australia Conference Canberra 2009 http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss http://govux.org -- the government user experience forum http://resilientnationaustralia.org Resilient Nation Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML 5 and XHTML 2 combined
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com wrote: I would feel everyone in cooperation would be the way to go. Browser vendors (going to call them vendors, for short) need to understand that just because they want what they want does not matter as much as what is needed. If a major change is needed and vendors do not want to follow along, then so be it. If every vendor's ideas differed in some respect, then every browser would become an Internet Explorer -type browser. One that does not follow suit with the way things ought to be, in IE's case, is. It should be said to them that whole fact, to save everyone the headache of trying to design for every different browser and what that browser supports/does not support. Sorry, but it is a bit of a touchy subject, especially considering the amount of work that one has to put in with others to get *EVERY* browser to play with one good block of code. Brett, just on this point - maybe I am old and cynical, or have just seen too much... but universal social responsibility from browser vendors that manifests as total consistency? While very desirable, I am willing to bet that it does not occur in my lifetime. Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxcommunity.org -- User Experience Community http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED!
And I'll bring the beer! :) Sent from my iPhone. On 06/11/2008, at 8:53 PM, 8bits Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ, Will you be bringing a cake? Nick. On 6 Nov 2008, at 21:44, russ - maxdesign wrote: If there are any more posts to this thread I will have to come to your houses, one at a time... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Webb, KerryA [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: A brief addition to this: starting next January, anyone (not just HREOC/AHRC) will have the right to take an action to their state/territory Supreme Court if they feel that they've been discriminated against. Kerry Interesting times, indeed. Without going too far off-topic, I am wondering how active some groups will be who are not entirely pleased with Australia's current policies relating to immigration, defence, fiscal and water policy. Assuming that these folk have friends who may have a case that is worth pushing. What will that mean to those of us who may have advised on accessibility for government clients in the past? Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information
Elizabeth, sorry to be a pedant on a Monday morning (erk!) - HREOC is now AHRC - the URL is the same though. Cheers, Andrew On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben In Australia, HREOC is responsible for administering various anti-discrimination legislation, including the Disability Discrimination Act. (It comes under the banner of 'equal opportunities' rather than 'human rights'.) One form of discrimination is offering a service to one group and refusing to offer it, or offering on less advantageous terms, to another group. For website designers/builders, this means that if you sell stuff (or even just offer free information) to the general public and present it in such a way that people with a disability (e.g. blind people using screen readers; people with movement disorders that make it difficult/impossible to use a mouse) can't access it, you are breaking the law. *Elizabeth Spiegel* *Web editing* *0409 986 158* *GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001* *www.spiegelweb.com.au* *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Benedict Wyss *Sent:* Saturday, 25 October 2008 11:07 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information Hi Andrew, First off..good reply. I like the last paragraph re human rights. Even though I don't need to be forced to be compliant to standards as I have a conscience but (and excuse my ignorance) when has being able to access the internet a human right. I thought it was the domain of things like security, sustenance and protection from the elements. I am further thinking that in order to obtain justifiable rights the movement inevitably swings heavily to the right/left in an attempt to end up in the middle ground. I am interested in hearing peoples thoughts on this one. Is it a human right or...? [disclosure: no offense intended] Cheers, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, AGIMO publishes guidelines that cover some of what you asked for - it is up to individual organisations as to which guidelines they follow and how far - it shouldn't be that way but it is. Each organisation that I've worked in over the last 25 years in Government has had their own writing standards - and since there has been a web, their own web content/usability/accessibility standards in one form or another. Most are compliant in some way or another with WCAG 1.0 - but this is based on interpretation, and these interpretations vary between organisations. Privacy is looked after by the Australian Privacy Commissioner ( http://www.privacy.gov.au/). An study of the Australian Government web standards environment is not complete without examining the role of the Australian Human Rights Commission (http://www.hreoc.gov.au). One of the Commissioners, Graeme Innes, has put the lot of us on notice - he will (to use his words) name and shame organisations that have inaccessible sites. He has started this already. Cheers, Andrew On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then the clouds parted... http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ If anyone wants to add then please do so but shall consider this closed. Cheers, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am looking for any and all links to comprehensive listings of: 1. Australian Government Industry Best Practices 2. Australian Government Standards (Privacy, Accessibility and Usability) I have been googling for a while and coming up with bunk. All assistance welcomed. Thanks, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http
Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information
Ben, AGIMO publishes guidelines that cover some of what you asked for - it is up to individual organisations as to which guidelines they follow and how far - it shouldn't be that way but it is. Each organisation that I've worked in over the last 25 years in Government has had their own writing standards - and since there has been a web, their own web content/usability/accessibility standards in one form or another. Most are compliant in some way or another with WCAG 1.0 - but this is based on interpretation, and these interpretations vary between organisations. Privacy is looked after by the Australian Privacy Commissioner ( http://www.privacy.gov.au/). An study of the Australian Government web standards environment is not complete without examining the role of the Australian Human Rights Commission (http://www.hreoc.gov.au). One of the Commissioners, Graeme Innes, has put the lot of us on notice - he will (to use his words) name and shame organisations that have inaccessible sites. He has started this already. Cheers, Andrew On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then the clouds parted... http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ If anyone wants to add then please do so but shall consider this closed. Cheers, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am looking for any and all links to comprehensive listings of: 1. Australian Government Industry Best Practices 2. Australian Government Standards (Privacy, Accessibility and Usability) I have been googling for a while and coming up with bunk. All assistance welcomed. Thanks, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information
Ben, in Australia, the Australian Human Rights Commission looks after breaches of the Disability Discrimination Act, which is the main legislation that is interpreted to cover web accessibility. So while some form of accessible information is definitely a basic human right, it is also the law here. Best regards, Andrew On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, First off..good reply. I like the last paragraph re human rights. Even though I don't need to be forced to be compliant to standards as I have a conscience but (and excuse my ignorance) when has being able to access the internet a human right. I thought it was the domain of things like security, sustenance and protection from the elements. I am further thinking that in order to obtain justifiable rights the movement inevitably swings heavily to the right/left in an attempt to end up in the middle ground. I am interested in hearing peoples thoughts on this one. Is it a human right or...? [disclosure: no offense intended] Cheers, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, AGIMO publishes guidelines that cover some of what you asked for - it is up to individual organisations as to which guidelines they follow and how far - it shouldn't be that way but it is. Each organisation that I've worked in over the last 25 years in Government has had their own writing standards - and since there has been a web, their own web content/usability/accessibility standards in one form or another. Most are compliant in some way or another with WCAG 1.0 - but this is based on interpretation, and these interpretations vary between organisations. Privacy is looked after by the Australian Privacy Commissioner ( http://www.privacy.gov.au/). An study of the Australian Government web standards environment is not complete without examining the role of the Australian Human Rights Commission (http://www.hreoc.gov.au). One of the Commissioners, Graeme Innes, has put the lot of us on notice - he will (to use his words) name and shame organisations that have inaccessible sites. He has started this already. Cheers, Andrew On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then the clouds parted... http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ If anyone wants to add then please do so but shall consider this closed. Cheers, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Benedict Wyss [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi all, I am looking for any and all links to comprehensive listings of: 1. Australian Government Industry Best Practices 2. Australian Government Standards (Privacy, Accessibility and Usability) I have been googling for a while and coming up with bunk. All assistance welcomed. Thanks, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Canberra IA Cocktail Hour Tonight: Speaker running late so we're doing navigation
Folks, apologies for the late notice - our speaker has had his flight canceled in Sydney - we're proposing a roundtable on navigation instead - he may be able to join us still for dinner. Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Tee, my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content providers: http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome Cheers, Andrew On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote: You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/copyrights/contact for my business. The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy to mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to min The second that I recently hired, did something similar. They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients. It finally hits me that I must work hard on my English and learn to write the contact myself. Maybe google had a lawyer like the two I encountered? :-) tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:18 AM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info, Elizabeth. Aussie members in this list must be very proud of this law :-) Let's just hope no gold-digger lawyer sees an opportunity there! Is the requirement for this law higher per WCAG guidelines (A, AA, or AAA)? For example, Section 508 is really low standard in my opinion. tee Tee, the Disability Discrimination Act (here in Oz) does not actually specify the level of compliance according to WCAG. HREOC and AGIMO (google these) make some interpretations of the Act that are again interpreted by individual government bodies - I think it is fair to say that accessibility standards in Australia aren't (standard). Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites
Hi Elizabeth, true, there has only been one successful litigation action. The people behind a certain Grocery site might be getting a little nervous at the moment :) What worries me is that there are many larger government sites in Australia that are a lot less accessible than that one... I wonder how long it will take for this particular dagger to fall? I have no doubt that fall it will - a question of when not if. Cheers, Andrew On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tee In Australia, websites are covered by Disability Discrimination legislation, although there has only been one successful suit to date. Bruce Maguire was awarded damages of $20,000 against SOCOG in 2000: full details here: http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/decisions/comdec/2000/DD000120.htm Note that the target was not by any measure a 'small business'. HREOC provides advisory notes http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 12:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what Under British law, can individual who brings a case under the DDA and the lawyer seek monetary compensation? Couple months ago a handful of ADA lawsuits handled by a same lawyer. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/13/carollloyd.DTLh w=disability+lawsuitsn=001sc=1000http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/13/carollloyd.DTLhw=disability+lawsuitsn=001sc=1000 If lawyer and plaintiff can seek monetary compensation, I honestly hope no ADA/DDA law ever applies to website. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see what difference it makes - if someone chooses to create a mobile-device-friendly version of their site and publish it under a separate URL (as opposed to the elegant way - that is, using a mobile-device-friendly stylesheet) then that is probably their business. I know it's not what Lars meant, but I just have to challenge the notion that the elegant (and presumably proper) way to serve mobile devices is with a mobile stylesheet on your regular site. Mobile web use is all about context - visitors don't need your entire site, they need a subset of it (or new content) that is useful for them in the context of use on the go. To that end, you either sniff for devices and/or serve mobile content on a different URL. Matt, without seeming to be starting an argument, have you ever designed for mobile devices? I have done so twice, and both times, it was important to the clients (both in government) that the content was the same for large format and mobile users. Both had specific reasons for doing so, and in both cases there was the potential for serious consequences if less than the full story was given. Happy to discuss. Cheers, Andrew --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am feeling moody today, but... Are we selling our soul for a shiny newish toy from Apple? A specific app or device should not be part of an URL. Period. URL's like iphone.domain.com are an abomination! Even if the content is standards based. Lars Gunther Hi Lars, I can't see what difference it makes - if someone chooses to create a mobile-device-friendly version of their site and publish it under a separate URL (as opposed to the elegant way - that is, using a mobile-device-friendly stylesheet) then that is probably their business. We may laugh at them, but the average user will probably appreciate a positive match to a show me restaurants in Timbuktu with iPhone-friendly sites search. Of course, your mileage may vary. Best regards, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: [canberra_ia_community] Is RTF accessible?
Same holds for three other Australian government organisations that I've worked in/around. It is necessary to separate this discussion from how do I make PDF accessible? Cheers, Andrew On 5/27/08, Rae Buerckner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jessica, The 2 formats most commonly provided formats by Government departments is PDF RTF format. Cheers, Rae On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Jessica Enders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am trying to work out whether a Rich Text File is considered accessible, to the extent that Australian federal government agencies must provide electronic documents in an accessible format. RTF is owned by Microsoft, but most word processors can read it. Apparently if styles are used correctly, RTF files can be used well by screen readers. Also, section 2.3 of the World Wide Web Access: Disability Discrimination Act Advisory Notes (from 2002, mind you) on the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission website (http:// hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html) suggests that RTF is considered acceptable. Any views? Jessica Enders Director Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PHP Standards
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you asking about PHP Standards or (X)HTML Standards within the context of PHP? Even the sloppiest of PHP (or any server-side scripting) can deliver impeccable standards-compliant markup, and conversely even the most carefully crafted PHP can deliver the most hideous tag soup. Though I think you will find that following best practices will be mutually reinforcing. If you're interested in PHP Coding Standards, a Google search will open the door to a wealth of information, and there are PHP mailing lists as well. For (X)HTML Standards, this list is an extraordinarily useful resource, and if you spend a little time with the archive you can find many useful links. good luck, Andrew Andrew, good point. Generating web standards-compliant (X)HTML with PHP is one thing, and writing re-usable code is another. If I could make a small plug on behalf of the latter - please people, take the time to document your code properly. The life/job/sanity you save may be your own. Best regards, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a list apart expired
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not from here it hasn't whois results: Domain Name: ALISTAPART.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS1.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM Karma... one word, just... karma. Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://onblogging.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Standards slipping (was RE: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is u deprecated?]
Stuart, I would have to add ..and watch those standards disregarded by popular Open Source and commercial applications. For an interesting tale of standards and Standards slipping, please see http://realtech.burningbird.net/semweb/wordpress-25-releases/ - the comment discussion taking place is quite informative. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2008 2:26 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is u deprecated?] While yet another 50+ age group, who invented the Internet and the World Wide Web, continue to set the standards which stop it descending into chaos. NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag
Chris, it is all design. This list is (in my observation) more about standards-compliant design than it is about the standards themselves. Some of it is tag-level accessibility, some of it about wider user experience issues. But it is all design. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2008 1:16 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag William Donovan wrote: Hi all, I wanted to ask a question of better practice and current standards view. Is it better to have a header and footer stretch across the width of the browser window or be restricted to the width of the defined. left aligned content area. Leaving lots of vacant white space for people with wider screen resolution. (the question arises as people are becoming concerned about laptop users with 1600 pixel wide computer screens) and if it is to be restricted in width, should the styling restriction be applied to the body tag? Thank William This, to me, sounds like a design decision and doesn't seem related to web standards at all. Review your targeted viewers, and assess your design and usability in whatever environments your viewers will be using Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag
Hi William my preference is to view banner elements in a 100% wide chunk that blend (hopefully) for a seamless look. I acknowledge that this is not always possible (or desirable). As a 1680 pixel wide laptop user I have to agree that fixed width is an issue, especially for totally left-aligned treatments. I think a good basic rule of thumb is to make screen elements float-y wherever possible without getting in the way of the user's right to set their text size themselves. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2008 1:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag Hi all, I wanted to ask a question of better practice and current standards view. Is it better to have a header and footer stretch across the width of the browser window or be restricted to the width of the defined. left aligned content area. Leaving lots of vacant white space for people with wider screen resolution. (the question arises as people are becoming concerned about laptop users with 1600 pixel wide computer screens) and if it is to be restricted in width, should the styling restriction be applied to the body tag? Thank William *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE8 news - stats
John, most of the IE6 users I know are not thieves, they are clients that use IE6 as part of their SOE. One organisation alone has several thousand IE6 users. They do not choose their browser, nor their O/S. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 9:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Consider that a fairly significant proportion of IE6 users cannot upgrade as they're using illegal copies of Windows XP. One of my clients did a fairly large study (anonymous) where 18% of 10,000 users were using cracked copies of Windows - I'm just wondering how much that'd sway the stats. For myself, I'd be unwilling to support people who steal rather than go to linux-based operating systems. Unfortunately, it's impossible to tell the difference! John Hancock Identity -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 7:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic: 1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32% 1. 7.0 23,965 53.77% 2. 6.0 20,507 46.01% 3. 5.5 47 0.11% 4. 5.0117 0.04% 5. 5.0 16 0.04% 6. 5.2311 0.02% 7. 4.5 3 0.01% 8. 4.0120.00% 9. 5.2220.00% 10. 4.0 10.00% 2. Firefox / Windows 6,581 11.86% 3. Safari / Macintosh 2,352 4.24% 4. Firefox / Macintosh 828 1.49% 5. Mozilla / Linux 623 1.12% 6. Opera / Windows 150 0.27% 7. Firefox / Linux 121 0.22% 8. Mozilla / Windows 48 0.09% 9. Konqueror / Linux 37 0.07% 10. Internet Explorer / Macintosh 24 0.04% So, 80% Windows IE, split between 7 6 - I too expect to see most of the IE7 users migrate to an IE8 Gold release quite quickly, but that IE6 will hang around for much longer. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8
Ben, this is Microsoft - they don't make good impressions, they add value for shareholders ;) That said, I am surprised that they didn't run it through their own site to test it - or perhaps they did, then the map was added by another team. Things like this happen in large organisations. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 7:04 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8 I agree, the page that microsoft loads by default in IE8 (their own site) breaks horribly because of an embedded map - You'd think that they would fix the start-up page of the new beta as it doesn't really give off the best impression! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's going to be a fun ride... http://tjkdesign.com/test/ie8/links.asp I hope people are using IE8 for its intended purpose of Technical Beta. Microsoft's own home page does not work very well and major sites (like Adobe.comhttp://Adobe.com and Yahoo are rendered in degrees of chaos). In the event this beta gets out in the wild and folks start using it as their default browser for general surfing, I'd recommend a little warning: http://www.projectseven.com/testing/ie8/pmm/ You'll see an alert box if you use IE8. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
Hi Keith, I suspect that Michael may be inferring that SEO is not a fit and proper subject for the WSG list. I'm happy either way - it isn't strictly web standards per se, but neither is IE8 Beta's underperformance, and I am glad to learn about both without subscribing to other lists. Moderaptor call I guess :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 1:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more. I'm not going to go through it page by page. At that point it becomes necessary to make the SEO of a site more dynamic. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, *Keith Steinacher* [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee
RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
Hi Michael, I suspect that there is some connection. Taken broadly, if SEO is done badly (i.e. SEO optimised templates produced without a lot of thought and keyword over-rich content) then it certainly gets in the way of the basic business of human beings filling a human need - and if that is not what web standards are trying to guarantee, then I'm not sure what they are :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 2:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction Not trying to infer anything. I really was wondering how standard affect SEO. I tend to focus on content and using keywords in the natural presentation of the page info and strongly looking for sites that can interconnect legitimately. But didn't know how or if web standards played a part in this or not. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Andrew Boyd wrote: Hi Keith, I suspect that Michael may be inferring that SEO is not a fit and proper subject for the WSG list. I'm happy either way - it isn't strictly web standards per se, but neither is IE8 Beta's underperformance, and I am glad to learn about both without subscribing to other lists. Moderaptor call I guess :) Cheers, Andrew *Andrew Boyd *Consultant *SMS Management Technology* M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *About SMS: *Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com https://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, 7 March 2008 1:36 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more. I'm not going to go through it page by page. At that point it becomes necessary to make the SEO of a site more dynamic. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, *Keith Steinacher* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
Hi Peter, no problem :) Just on form usability - Jessica presented at the last IA Cocktail Hour here in Canberra on form design - Ruth Ellison blogged on it at http://www.ruthellison.com/2008/01/25/form-design/ - and there is some good advice in that on creating usable useful forms. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 7:18 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software Sorry, I didn't know that :-) -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com Andrew Boyd wrote: Peter, Jessica has been designing forms for years and seems (based on my observations) to have a fair handle on web standards/accessibility and form coding without tools. I guess that rather than beginner advice she was after a way to code them using tools in a standards compliant way, but I will leave this to her to confirm :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2008 10:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software You would be better off to look at these tutorials on Accessible html/xhtml forms at: http://www.webstandards.org/learn/tutorials/accessible-forms/ I know you asked about WYSIWYG tools for this but if your looking for experience in forms then your much better off starting by learning how to them without a WYSIWYG tool. These tutorials on the Web Standards Project web site (after you look at the forms tutorial on http://www.w3schools.com/) will give you a grounding for judging other tools. Have fun -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient
RE: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
Peter, Jessica has been designing forms for years and seems (based on my observations) to have a fair handle on web standards/accessibility and form coding without tools. I guess that rather than beginner advice she was after a way to code them using tools in a standards compliant way, but I will leave this to her to confirm :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2008 10:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software You would be better off to look at these tutorials on Accessible html/xhtml forms at: http://www.webstandards.org/learn/tutorials/accessible-forms/ I know you asked about WYSIWYG tools for this but if your looking for experience in forms then your much better off starting by learning how to them without a WYSIWYG tool. These tutorials on the Web Standards Project web site (after you look at the forms tutorial on http://www.w3schools.com/) will give you a grounding for judging other tools. Have fun -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
Chris Broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both of them provide seamless (as much as it can be) integration between OSX and Windows, however if you run Bootcamp, you'll be booted into Windows and need a restart to get back into OSX. Hi, probably getting a little offtopic, and certainly too pedantic on my part, but... if you have the processor and RAM capacity then you can run your Bootcamp partition under VMWare Fusion without rebooting. I do it myself. It does mean that Vista runs noticeably slower, but it is still usable on a 2.4GHz 2GB RAM MacBook Pro (so long as you've done a clean or archive/install installation of Leopard). Best regards, Andrew NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Changes to websites
Hi Adeline (and Deborah), I can see the following likely impacts: * The mechanics of changing portfolios will mean that there is content to be merged/split/repurposed, sites to be re-architected, and a lot of graphic design work. This applies to both intranet and internet. * Regardless of portfolio slicing and dicing, individual organisations will probably change their external web presence under direction from the incoming management. * A lot of web managers will be wondering (possibly this time tomorrow if a new cabinet is announced) how to implement the immediate changes now and the bigger changes later in a sensibly phased approach that fits within Ministerial directive, the regulatory framework for Government sites, and their available budget. I remember 1996 - there were fewer Government sites then, and it still created a lot of work for a lot of people. I know that there have been some forward-thinking souls considering the implications of this for the best part of 12 months now. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology P Please consider the environment before printing this email From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adeline Yaw Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 10:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Changes to websites Hi Deborah, I can't see how the changes will make an impact as yet but this resource is useful (if you aren't aware of it already). http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ Best regards, Adeline Yaw Centre for Physical Activity Health Level 2, Medical Foundation Building, K25 University of Sydney NSW 2006 www.cpah.health.usyd.edu.auhttp://www.cpah.health.usyd.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking for feedback on how other departments are handling the change of government, in regards to departmental websites? Thanks Deborah Deborah Hicks Online Communications Department of Health and Ageing 6289 7991 Important: This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error please notify the author immediately and delete all copies of this transmission. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
Jermayn, That one person may find the sitemap useful does not mean that the site navigation is broken - all that we do know for sure is that one person likes to use the sitemap. If everyone uses the sitemap, then the navigation could well use some work. Similarly - if some internal users find a browse facet based on the organisational structure helpful, it doesn't mean that it should be removed. Org structure shouldn't be the only browse facet, sure, but it can be one of them. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology P Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jermayn Parker Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 11:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? The way I personally do sitemaps (if i decide to do them) is use the google sitemaps tool and keep it as a xml document and just make sure that your navigation is easy enough so people can access the content without getting lost. IMO if you create a sitemap so people can get to a location, the navigation obviously needs working on. Sitemap is just a bandaide to the bigger problem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/11/2007 8:55:12 am I thought the site map was clear and it was easy to discern if what you want os on the site - saves time and effort. Good job Julie Hale Senior Consultant SMS Managment and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:44 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] SIte Maps? But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. I've done that on this site: http://www.2plan.com/ despite it only being 15 pages or so. Does anyone think that is overkill? Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: 21 November 2007 14:26 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SIte Maps? On Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coming in late to the discussion: Do we really need a sitemap? I recently read an article were it talked that if all the seo was done properly and it was smallish, you probably do not need a sitemap. I remember that article too. It was saying that a sitemap is meant to expose pages of your site that are difficult to reach for a search spider that starts at the homepage. If you have a working link structure and anyone can reach any page of your site by just following all the links, everything is already exposed and you don't need a sitemap. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [WSG] Re: worst site I've seen lately
Hi Paul, There are bits about it I liked too - I would have done it differently, but I think that it achieves what they set out to do - talk up their fonts to those that want to buy them. I think that the thread just goes to prove that: - communication is about effective information transfer rather than our idea of what communication should be (rather like art in that respect), and accordingly - we tread a fine line when dictating best practices to others. Sometimes they are appropriate, and at other times, they can be so prescriptive as to be useless. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 7:50 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: worst site I've seen lately The blinking was really annoying (and it was everywhere!), as was the very small text. What I liked was the live rendering of the fonts and the ability to select a font and actually be able to type with it, see it at different font sizes etc - very handy (I've seen this on another font site too, but I can't recall the url) The orange scroll bar was a bit of a downer, especially seeing as it was right next to the old handy browser scrollbar In terms of bad flash, weird UI and 'mystery meat navigation', take a look at this... http://matterhorn.co.nz/ I have a feeling this thread is 'weaving' off-topic :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard
My suggestion is that rather than cars it should have something to do with cats saying Can I haz agsessibillitee? :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cruickshank [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2007 8:14 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard Chris Wilson wrote: Better yet, since not everyone can see, lets require all publications to include a braille copy, all musical artists to provide a written transcript of ever performance. That would of course be madness... I'd like a car analogy next please. .Matthew Cruickshank http://docvert.org/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
Hi, I am currently Canberra-based and tend to more government than corporate work - I think that this is just the nature of the local market. I've worked in corporate environments in the past, but nowadays mostly government. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jixor - Stephen I [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 3:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private? Yes I'm sure too that would be the norm. Jermayn Parker wrote: I am personally both!! I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' between corporate and government/ school etc This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?
It is scary that people still make the distinction between design and usability/accessibility/fitness for purpose. Design incorporates these things, and if it doesn't then it is indulgence, not design. Cheers, Andrew (working information architect) Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of minim Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 7:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design? Hi James, On 14 Aug 2007, at 13:43, James Jeffery wrote: Web Standards, Accessibility and Usability needs to be put right at the top of the list, way before design. Focus on the users and the people, and it will help to create and bring the internet up to a better standard. I agree wholeheartedly with this. The point of design (as opposed to art) is that it is a functional artform. If it doesn't do the job it's enlisted to do (generally, to encourage people to use the site to whatever end by making it possible and enjoyable for them to do so), then it's a poor design and should therefore be changed. I'm not saying there isn't a place for good-looking websites - on the contrary - just that a good design is one which both achieves its purpose (usability/accessibility = increased visitors/sales/happiness/whatever) AND looks good while doing it. It's possible, but many designers need to be a little more informed and a little more flexible. It doesn't matter how good pale grey text on a white background looks if no-one can read what it says. Stick it on the wall of an art gallery though and I'll cheer :-) Just some thoughts... C. Caitlin Rowley, B. Mus. (Hons), Gr. Dip. Design Composer, musicologist, web designer http://www.minim-media.com/listen/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] designing for handheld
Hi Tee, as well as Opera Mini 3.n, it is probably worth trying the Opera Mini 4 beta http://www.operamini.com/beta/ - I use both to test blog templates, as 4 beta renders closer to a desktop browser (desktop browser with magnifier, anyhow). Just on the mobile browsing experience - Ryan Healy of http://employeeevolution.com/ uses the WP Mobile Edition plugin that renders a very navigable site when viewed from small format browsers (but doh! forgets to include an RSS link out of the box). My guess is that portable/handheld browsing is going to become more of an issue rather than less as time goes by - anyone have any thoughts around this? Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2007 1:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] designing for handheld On Aug 4, 2007, at 6:42 PM, John Faulds wrote: The only site I've done with a handheld stylesheet is: http:// www.thiesskentz.com.au/ As far as testing goes, not sure how reliable DW's previews would be considering how bad their design view is. Other testing options include: http://www.operamini.com/demo/ http://www.operamini.com/beta/simulator/ http://developer.openwave.com/dvl/tools_and_sdk/phone_simulator/ http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/ (Mac only) Hi John, thank you so much for the response. I ran the site in Opera Mini and a few from DW Device Center, it renders quite closely. The obvious different is that there are two Thiess Kents logo, one big, one small, the small one overlapping the Engineers Constructors Opera Mini puts the horizontal menu in a tree menu with a + (expand) icon, is this how you set the mobile stylesheet renders it? Padding left are gone for paragrahy and heading elements in the Device center (just like my pixel perfect three cols layout). I never see a website in a handheld device (my cellphone allows me to brows the internet but I am unwilling to test it as I don't know how much it will cost when the bill arrives ), therefor willing to give a benefit of doubt for the Adobe DM Device Center. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
