Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
--- Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
html { font-size:100.01%; }
body { font-size: 1em; } // this is a bug fix for
browser compatibility
Why do you need this? I don't use font-size hacks in
my CSS yet my fonts look exactly the same in all
browsers.
Francesco
Francesco Sanfilippo
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Re: [WSG] 2 Q: New web site, which DTD I should use? and Compresion
--- Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTML 4.01 Strict. !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; I recommend HTML over XHTML for various reasons I won't go into now So even if a site is written fully XHTML 1.0 Strict compliant, and validates as such, it is still recommended to use HTML 4.01 Strict? Francesco ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.
Two of the best things I've picked up this year include: * minimizing container and wrapper DIVs, writing minimalist CSS * I learned this last year, but still love it to death: margin: 0 20px 10px 0; instead of writing margin-top, margin-bottom, etc. Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 402-932-5695 home office 402-676-3011 mobile Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10 years experience. Specializing in ASP.NET, C#, SQL Server, CSS/XHTML, and digital photography. Founder and developer of URL123.com - now serving 2 million clicks per month. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Multiply those two by millions of hits every day and we're talking big bandwidth! --- Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Dimmock wrote: *Google's home page doesn't validate and that's mostly by design to save precious bytes. So, he's saying font color=red loads faster than font color=red ? I'd like to see some documented proof of this. The homepage of google is only a couple lines of code... but yet they have inline javascript instead of external cached/linked scripting.. I think their /saving precious bytes/ comment is full of itself. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 402-932-5695 home office 402-676-3011 mobile Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10 years experience. Specializing in ASP.NET, C#, SQL Server, CSS/XHTML, and digital photography. Founder and developer of URL123.com - now serving 2 million clicks per month. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP.NET XHTML compliant blogging
I wish I had my blogging/community system finished for you, Mark. It will be ASP.NET 2.0 and CSS/XHTML compliant. It won't be ready until early next year. -- Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 402-932-5695 home office 402-676-3011 mobile Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10 years experience. Specializing in ASP.NET, C#, SQL Server, CSS/XHTML, and digital photography. Founder and developer of URL123.com - now serving 2 million clicks per month. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Feedback www.mcguireomaha.com
First thing I would say is that it's too difficult to find how to FIND a home. First you have to see the small link on the right, then the page refreshes and looks virtually the same. One would expect to see a search form immediately, but instead I had to scroll down and hunt for a text link to a search page. Too much work. Francesco On 10/14/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/14/05 1:13 PM Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: [WSG] Feedback I have been a fly on the wall for some time in this group and I was really hoping to get a bit of feedback on a site I am almost finished with. Copy will change and possibly some site design before I deliver the final version. What I am hoping for is a bit of a report card- what was done well and where did I fail miserably. (BTW one of the pages does not validate right now, the client just had us insert some new links that need to be reformatted) www.mcguireomaha.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 402-932-5695 home office 402-676-3011 mobile Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10 years experience. Specializing in ASP.NET, C#, SQL Server, CSS/XHTML, and digital photography. Founder and developer of URL123.com - now serving 2 million clicks per month. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks
That's not really true, Alan. A site without CSS hacks does not necessarily have to be ugly. I develop table-less ASP.NET sites using CSS and I have never used a single CSS hack or conditional comment, yet my sites are still clean, good-looking and functional in the leading browsers (IE, FF, Safari, and Opera). -- Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 402-932-5695 home office 402-676-3011 mobile Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10 years experience. Specializing in ASP.NET, C#, SQL Server, CSS/XHTML, and digital photography. Founder and developer of URL123.com - now serving 2 million clicks per month. On 10/13/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't use CSS hacks you have 2 options. 1. Avoid CSS that is buggy in a browser. 2. Use other hacks like conditional comments. (Conditional comments *are* hacks, there just intentional ones) Number 1 is simply not an option unless your willing to look like useit.com or something. Number 2 is hardly any better because when future browsers come out either they will have fixed their CSS implementations (and then life is happiness and glee) or they won't. With CSS it's likely that you will have to do touchups but with conditional comments you have to write another css file all together. Also I don't want an M$ bitching session either. IE7 may not be perfect, but it's a step towards interopability and standards (which is a really big thing for Microsoft). I think we should encourage it all we can. Peter Firminger wrote: If you've gone against all sane advice and used CSS hacks then you knew exactly what you were in for with future browsers and potential problems. I don't want to see an M$ bitch session develop here while Microsoft are seemingly trying very hard do the right thing (at last). Obviously we have to wait and see what the final release does. At that point, I really hope you're (general) not going to charge your customers if you have to fix up bugs (hacks) that you knowingly induced into their websites if you didn't make it clear to them at the time that hacking may require rectification in the future. Sorry for the smug told you so, but many people including myself have made this very clear over the whole life of WSG. You only have yourself to blame. Peter previously comment=I'm really sick of html emails on this list I second :) It sounds more like they are taking a stand against the designers who tried to work around those buggy problems. They aren't cleaning up their own act, just making it harder to hack around them. IE 7 still has some of the quirky implementations that make older versions of IE so difficult to design for. /previously ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?
I'd have to agree with that. Our studies also show maximized browsing for over 90% when users are working at 1280x1024 or below. -- Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10 years experience. Specializing in ASP.NET, C#, SQL Server, CSS/XHTML, and digital photography. Founder and developer of URL123.com - now serving 2 million clicks per month. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?
I would guess that unless one is aware that mobile phones are a significant population (over a few percent), one could simply detect mobiles and serve them an unstyled page, rendering plain text? This would fit into any browser width if done correctly. Francesco On 8/3/05, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about mobile phones? Isn't anyone taking them into consideration? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] footer technique
Easy. I don't rely on Javascript for anything critical. I would rather use a layout hack without Javascript. Francesco On 7/16/05, Maarten Stolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just use the technique from Bobby van der Sluis, it works all the time on dom enabled browsers; http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/ Maarten Stolte ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] the use of reset buttons on forms
I have a different opinion. Neither Reset nor Cancel are necessary. Studies show most users click the back button to abort transactions (even I do, and I'm a web developer) or leave sites (if there are no appealing links to go anywhere else). I can see where Cancel could be a little more intuitive, say within a multi-page form, but I don't see users that work that way in general. What usually happens is a user will click Back and get the annoying the page was created by a POST dialog. User becomes annoyed and doesn't really understand what the message means, so they close the browser window entirely, cursing the site as they leave. I rarely see average users click Home on a browser, even though that is my favorite button for clearing what I've done and starting fresh, as opposed to closing a window or tab. Francesco On 6/14/05, heretic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously: how many people enter data into a form and go so completely wrong that they want to erase everything they have just done and start over new? Some users may want to do that; alternatively some users will change their minds about submitting at all and do not trust simply closing the page - they want to see the form blanked out. Or if they've accidentally entered their postal address into street address fields and vice versa... On the other hand, how many people *accidentally* press the reset button when they actually wanted to hit the submit button? On some forms I've used CSS to make the Submit button much larger and a different colour/border than the Reset button to lower the chances of confusing the two... you can also add a JavaScript behaviour to get a confirmation prompt (enhancing the interface and all that). regarding just hitting refresh Many users won't think like that. Plus, if you're stepping through a series of forms you might lose your session/variables and have to start over. Or you might have a form inside a frameset, so hitting the refresh button will reset the frameset and take you to the default content, which might be some considerable number of clicks away from where you were. In the end I guess it's a question which draws heavily on context - what kind of data is being entered? How are the users arriving at the form? Is it a confidential survey which they might decide not to submit after all? Just my 2c :) h -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
Also, it's beta, and it's FREE, so don't complain, really. Francesco On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:28:27 +1000, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My opinion. Dont use it if it doesnt work for you. While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says people HAVE to produce a program that works in a particular way. And while there are accessibility standards - there is NOTHING stopping someone with accessibility issues from using the comptetition (such as Yahoo or Hotmail). And while there is plenty of noise about court cases from people who have been disadvantaged by people not adhering to accessibility guidelines, you would find that if there are suitable alternatives for people to use that such cases dont hold water. No-one is forcing people to use GMail (or even your website - for that matter). The biggest problem is for businesses who have clients who cannot use a site because it is not accessible (especially if the business expects all clients to deal with it through the website). So.. GMail. if it works for you - use it - if it doesn't - then use something else. Regards, Gary Menzel On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:09:14 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Bennett wrote: For figuring out the structure of a Gmail page I've found the best method is to use Mozilla's DOM Inspector; it lets you pick through all of the framesets and hidden DIVs to figure out what's actually going on. Yesh thats what I used to get that deep. But the DOM inspector doesnt seem to nest below the second or third iframe. (i cant remember). Thanks for the link :) damn gmail:S -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Francesco: Web Developer, Photographer, Philosopher My Photography - http://flickr.com/photos/blackcoil/ My Personal Blog - http://dissectinglife.com URL123 Link Tools - http://url123.com My Crazy Neighbor - http://mycrazyneighbor.com My Business Site - http://blackcoil.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
It seems like we are making the world less free by forcing companies/corporations/individuals to conform to equality laws. Isn't this just another form of conformity and regulation? Francesco On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:51:05 +1100, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: -Original Message- From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 3:55 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible! I'll repeat myself - just so that people know I am serious about this.. There are plenty of accesible free webmail clients available. Explan to me why GMail has to make it's product accessible to everyone? To continue evolving into a society that treats everybody equally, there is no reason why companies should not TRY to make their websites as accessible as possible, considering the little amount of effort required. I can understand if companies do not fulfil all the different priorities, but we can at least try, hey? And quoting the laws about discrimination wont cut it. They have the right to shoot themselves in the foot and lose all the users who can't access their FREE site because of all the other alternatives. I don't even have to quote legal issues - it's a matter of moral. A lot of websites do not fulfil accessibility guidelines, but that is mostly because they don't know much about them. The big difference is that GMail should know better. I am sure they have got enough people around that could quickly and easily make the website more accessible. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Francesco Sanfilippo --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Any ASP.Net standards people here?
That's just wrong. I am an ASP.NET developer and I am ALSO a web standards and CSS fan. I try as hard as possible to keep my code compliant. I don't think it's 100% possible, but I do manage to keep my code at least 90% standards-compliant. The only offenders you can't easily get rid of are the weird ViewState tags (which you can choose NOT to use, if you don't use post-back forms) and .NET's weird FORM tags. I do not use the non-compliant and bloated Controls like DataGrids, and instead output tabular data using Repeaters which allow you to even avoid using tables if you wish. I think I should write an article on writing standards-compliant .NET code since so many people ask about it and can't seem to find the right resources. Francesco On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:29:08 -, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:06:12 -, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've recently had a task to write stylesheet for ASP.Net page and I was really shocked how BAD that code is. Coder that wrote that didn't have any idea of web standards and he said that it's generally impossible to make this code cleaner. Is it really? Can DataGrids have th for headers? Do labels have to be span class=label? Does it have to insert nbsp; everywhere? Does it have to make javascript: urls? Most asp.net+standards articles describe lengthy and hacky ways to force ASP to output XHTML, but maybe there is a simple way just to make it semantic HTML4 Strict? Francesco Sanfilippo --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site review plz - Thank you.
PLZ? Francesco Sanfilippo, Developer / Designer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:41:12 -0600, Christie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yes, I did use the correct URL, you may want to use something like Tiny URL for future links. URL123 (http://url123.com) is really handy for posting long URLs in email. It even allows you to save links you've shared, edit them, etc. It's a great free service. Hope that helps. Francesco ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:58:11 +1100, J4Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: When I first saw it, I thought ooh this is a nice color scheme and use of animated gifs and that was about it. It is quite creative. Francesco Sanfilippo, Developer / Designer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Stop Breaking my code!
In VS.NET, under Tools...Options...Text Editor...C#... uncheck the box for Automatically format completed constructs and pasted source Also, make sure your checkboxes under Tools...Options...HTML Designer... are all set to HTML View. Let me know if that helps. Francesco On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:18:37 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi all, This is probably not the forum for such things, and if not, my apologies, but...I've been slaving away on a C# project in MS Visual Studio .NET (2002) and have spent a good couple of hours trying to find out a way to stop the blasted thing from ruining my lovely XHTML1.0 Strict code! Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site-Check:
Hrmm, my Firefox default seting looks just fine to me. Felix, is yours set to abnormally low values? Francesco On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:12:58 -0500, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Find a UXGA 15 laptop, then show it to your grandparents using IE. They probably won't be able to read any of your content or links without a cumbersome magnifier. By the time I zoom it enough to read (about 175%, to equal my Moz default), the top menu is overlapping the content that is supposed to be below it. Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:22:15 +, Paul Connolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 12 Nov 2004, at 12:33, Laurie Keith wrote: If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com Well, my first question is...why did you use Flash for a plain black and white design? The same thing could have easily been done with plain ole HTML in probably half the time. You have no fancy animations or graphics that really require Flash. There is no reason to use Flash unless you're showing off animation or are doing some sort of product demo where movement and sound would enhance the visual appeal or show someone how something works. Even if Flash is supposedly on over 90% of all browsers, I still would not use it to replace content that is more easily done in XHTML and CSS. Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations
The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!) - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html I read this entire article, then changed the first meta tag on a test page to be: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 / then I went to the Chinese translation of Joel's page and cut and pasted some Chinese characters into my html page, saved it, and loaded it in IE expecting to see Chinese side by side to my English text. Nope. Still gibberish. What did I do wrong? Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations
The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!) - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html I went and read this entire article, then changed the very first meta tag on an html page to be meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 / then I went to the Chinese translation of Joel's page and cut and pasted some Chinese characters into my html page, saved it, and loaded it in IE expecting to see Chinese side by side to my English text. Nope. Still gibberish. What did I do wrong? Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Mac site check please...
Could a few using Mac browsers please check out the new version of my site at http://blackcoil.com and let me know if things look to be in order? There isn't much content there yet, but I want to make sure the framework is stable before I move on, thanks. Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac site check please...
It looks perfect to me on: Win IE 6, Win FF 0.9, and Win Opera 7. Francesco On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:55:08 -0400, Barry Cranmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Monday, September 27, 2004, at 03:56 PM, Francesco wrote: Could a few using Mac browsers please check out the new version of my site at http://blackcoil.com and let me know if things look to be in order? There isn't much content there yet, but I want to make sure the framework is stable before I move on, thanks. Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer Works as I believe you wish in Foxfire 0.8 - equal space right and left, blackcoil above home, grey box upper right with four links horizontally across bottom of box - text white, dk grey, whit, dk grey, white, photo on right, welcome text on left. Same in Safari - 1.0.3 (v 85.8) Doesn't work the same in IE. 5.2 for Mac - everything stacks vertically and overlap each other Opera 6.0.3 breaks the solid grey box upper-right into separate blocks by inserting white space between them. Rest is the same as foxfire and safari. I can't wait to hear the experts suggest a fix for this. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
