Re: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages
Vaska - will utf-8 suffice? Yes - however as Peter has pointed out you may need to consider server side aspects. - do I need to specify html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang='en' lang='en' as ZN? is it necessary? Isn't utf-8 good enough? You should specify the lang in the html element/s containing the text. For example this page is in English but contains divs with other languages (FF will get XHTML 1.1 and MSIE XHTML 1.0): http://www.orbital.co.nz/anx/index.cfm/1,10,96,html Johan Original Message From: Vaska.WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Fri, Jun-3-2005 2:05 AM Subject: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages Am I allowed to ask about non-CSS things here? In particular, I'm trying to deal with how to handle inputs of Chinese characters via some forms. What I'm wondering is... - will utf-8 suffice? - do I need to specify html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang='en' lang='en' as ZN? is it necessary? Isn't utf-8 good enough? And further, I'm not sure how to handle Chinese text on the validation end of things, but this might be a subject for a different list altogether. I'll eventually have to deal with some other languages but Chinese will likely be one of the more difficult ones. ??? I'll see what happens when I send this...v ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.
XStandard is very good - there is a freeware version. For my money the commercial version is worth it and not expensive compared to others commercial XHTML editors. Very easy to add custom mark-up to support styles and drag/drop image/file upload is neat. Johan www.assetnow.com Original Message From: Wong Chin Shin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Sat, Jan-8-2005 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor. 1) HTMLArea RC3 - pretty darned powerful. suspect support. It's been at RC3 since the stone ages and nothing much since then. I'm also not very sure about the validity of the output code since changing font families will churn out font tags by default (didn't try to explore changing this as I moved to FCKEditor by then). Not easy to set up either. 2) FCKEditor - my choice right now. Support is pretty much a single-handed effort by the author but it's one of the most active projects on sourceforge right now. Visually very rich and it's one of the easiest to set up so far. One thing I love is the provision of plug-ins to the variety of server-side technologies like ASP, ASP.net, PHP etc. 3) TinyMCE - a little light on features, good to use if you're just letting users access to the basic stuff. 4) XStandard - commercial-ware so I didn't really evaluate it much. But since it's supposed to be fully XHTML-compliant I guess there's something to be said for that. 5) http://www.intelimen.com.br/lib/editor/index.php - not evaluated yet 6) http://www.snippetmaster.com/index.php - not evaluated yet 7) http://kupu.oscom.org/ - not evaluated yet, from my first look it seemed really basic and slow. 8) http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpwebeditor - not evaluated yet 9) http://walter.sourceforge.net/ - not evaluated yet One thing that you may want to watch out is whether they allow editing of individual table CELL attributes. No, not for more abuse of table-based layouts but it does have its uses sometimes. Wong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor. Hi Everyone, I am looking for a lean browser based text editor which creates valid XHTML output. Basically I would use a normal text area, but the site I am developing requires the ability to add hyper links, paragraphs, and change the text style. I want something that will automatically run (i.e. I want to avoid having the user manually install something)... I have looked at xstandard (http://www.xstandard.com) and I'm pretty impressed, but I found it to be really slow to load as it might be a bit too rich on functionality for my needs... Just wondered if anyone has any other recommendations for a nice simple RTE??? Cheers, Matt ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online HTML text editor
XStandard rocks! It took me a few minutes to get it working in our CMS. Their approach to styles and CSS is very flexible and simple. I have not seen anything even close to their accessibility support. The free version is certainly usable is a customer solution. Licensing is very competitive so cost of using the Pro version should not be a barrier. And it works in MSIE or Mozilla (FireFox PR1.0). Johan www.assetnow.com Original Message From: Vlad Alexander (XStandard) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Oct-12-2004 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Online HTML text editor Hi Jacobus, The editor in question uses the MSHTML control built into IE. It's an HTML 4 editor based on a 5 year old version of FrontPage. This control is no longer updated and as far as I know, it is impossible to get it to create standards-compliant markup. Jacobus, I am one of the developers of XStandard. It is a true standards-compliant XHTML editor. A free version is available that you can use in your commercial applications. Here is the link for more info: http://xstandard.com To see how XStandard generates standard-compliant markup, check out this article: http://xstandard.com/wysiwyg/ Regards, -Vlad XStandard Development Team http://xstandard.com - Original Message - From: Jacobus van Niekerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:17 AM Subject: [WSG] Online HTML text editor Hi all, Just though I should share this nice open source HTML text editor that produces valid XHTML. http://www.fckeditor.net/ Enjoy! Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 2004/10/08 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Thanks for the feedback. Not great if it is not reliable across same system configs. Johan Original Message From: Greer, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash Forgot to mention, I have seen it fail with the empty text box on IE6 as well (not on the page mentioned below, but on our testing of Satay). Ben. I used the Satay method on this page which validates to XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x on Win - not sure about other OS. http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash
I used the Satay method on this page which validates to XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x on Win - not sure about other OS. http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html Johan www.assetnow.com Original Message From: Ian Fenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 12:29 PM Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some browsers nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? Is there are preferred and more reliable method around now? All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Content Management tools for non-tech authors
AssetNow NX (www.assetnow.com) - will be available October. Uses Java editor. XHTML/CSS. Pricing will be under US$2k (for 10 editor seats). Disclosure: I am the developer. Johan Original Message From: Joseph Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Sep-9-2004 9:36 AM Subject: [WSG] Content Management tools for non-tech authors Does anybody have any experience with any content management tools that produce standards compliant code, and can be used by non-standards-savy authors? Does macromedia contribute produce good code? Editize? any other tools out there? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
