[WSG] why oh why
A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result. However when the site is viewed with MSIE 6 and NS 7 you get the actual page. Needless to say there is a wee validation problem. Anybody got any ideas why it behaves so diffently with Firefox. NB for the Firefoxers, don't hate me for I'm not suggesting this is a problem with Firefox. Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] why oh why 2 for foxers
And now one for the foxers, Why the difference between FF 0.9 and FF 1.0 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mike bailey Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 2004 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] why oh why HTML renders for me, using Firefox 1.0 . Web Usability wrote: A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen. http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm I tried it with Firefox 0.9 this morning and got the same result. However when the site is viewed with MSIE 6 and NS 7 you get the actual page. Needless to say there is a wee validation problem. Anybody got any ideas why it behaves so diffently with Firefox. NB for the Firefoxers, don't hate me for I'm not suggesting this is a problem with Firefox. Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] legend formatting issues
Hi Ted, Just a quick comment on legends that are too long. Modern screen readers like JAWS voice the legend before every form input label within a fieldset. As a result, some screen reader users might get a bit annoyed with your form (and the site) if, for example, they have to hear a whole lot of words and then name, all those words again and then phone number, all those words yet again and then email, all those words YET AGAIN and then address etc - you get the idea. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] legend formatting issues Our new site uses fieldsets on all of our forms and I've always had a bit of a struggle with the lengths of legends. I've tried adding a width to the legend but the browsers seem to ignore the width declaration. I'm especially having problems with IE gasp/ which is forcing the div with the legend below another div instead of sitting next to it. Firefox doesn't constrain the width but lets it overlap when the font is made larger. So, any helpful advice for making a legend wrap if it gets too long? Thanks Ted www.csatravelprotection.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with fieldset in a li
One benefit of using fieldset and legend for screen reader users is that nearly all readers will read the legend before every input label within a fieldset. This can be very helpful with forms that require the same information within different sections of the form. For example, if you need put in name, phone number etc for a number of different people, the form input labels for each person will be the same - the layout of the form may make the different sections of the form obvious for visual users of the site, but the difference may not be obvious if you can't see. However, when you use fieldset and legend (with say a legend of purchaser for one person) then the reader will read the labels within this fieldset as purchaser name, purchaser phone number etc. An article with some more information about form accessibility can be found at http://www.usability.com.au/resources/forms.cfm Hope this is helpful Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan R. Grossman Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 1:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with fieldset in a li Firstly, am I using fieldset and legend in the correct semantic manner? My understanding is that fieldset is meant to group all the similar form elements together, not to diferentiate each input.A group of numbered questions are all related to each other, and the entire thing should be in one fieldset with one legend. If you were to add a second group of numbered questions starting the numbers over again because they are related to each other, but not to the first group of numbered questions, then you would use a second fieldset and legend. (a new one, not nested) At least this is how I've interepreted and used the fieldset. An everyday example is a login form. The fieldset goes around the username and password text boxes as well as the radio button for remembering your password, with the legend on the login text. Any other fields like submitting for a lost password would be in a separate fieldset with new legend of forgotten password. -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with fieldset in a li
In my opinion your approach is the most appropriate. Label for should be used for labels. And, the ID associates the input with that label. However in relation to legend, a whole bunch of labels and inputs can be presented within one legend. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Firminger Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Help with fieldset in a li I notice that some people nest the input within the legend whereas I don't: Example: label for=nameName:br / input type=text name=name id=name size=55 //label or mine: label for=nameName:/labelbr / input type=text name=name id=name size=55 / Does it make any difference? The ID ties them together anyway so I think not. P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Web Usability Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Help with fieldset in a li One benefit of using fieldset and legend for screen reader users is that nearly all readers will read the legend before every input label within a fieldset. This can be very helpful with forms that require the same information within different sections of the form. For example, if you need put in name, phone number etc for a number of different people, the form input labels for each person will be the same - the layout of the form may make the different sections of the form obvious for visual users of the site, but the difference may not be obvious if you can't see. However, when you use fieldset and legend (with say a legend of purchaser for one person) then the reader will read the labels within this fieldset as purchaser name, purchaser phone number etc. An article with some more information about form accessibility can be found at http://www.usability.com.au/resources/forms.cfm Hope this is helpful Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan R. Grossman Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 1:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with fieldset in a li Firstly, am I using fieldset and legend in the correct semantic manner? My understanding is that fieldset is meant to group all the similar form elements together, not to diferentiate each input.A group of numbered questions are all related to each other, and the entire thing should be in one fieldset with one legend. If you were to add a second group of numbered questions starting the numbers over again because they are related to each other, but not to the first group of numbered questions, then you would use a second fieldset and legend. (a new one, not nested) At least this is how I've interepreted and used the fieldset. An everyday example is a login form. The fieldset goes around the username and password text boxes as well as the radio button for remembering your password, with the legend on the login text. Any other fields like submitting for a lost password would be in a separate fieldset with new legend of forgotten password. -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations
Hi Jason We had a similar requirement last year. The cost of translating and preparing pages in other language html is very expensive. The job we did already had pdfs of a document in 14 different language but the client wanted to provide easy access to them and an accessible alternative. We prepared an intemmediate page in the different language sets explaining the situation and giving them a phone number in case they couldn't access the pdfs. This page had a link to the pdf document. This didn't cost alot and it seems to work well. You can see what I am trying to describe here http://www.gt.nsw.gov.au/information/languages.cfm Hope this is helpful Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Foss Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Foreign Translations Greetings! I have a client who wants part of their website translated into a few other languages, some of them Asian (Chinese Korean are a couple). I have obtained a couple of quotes from translation agencies to actually do the translations, but does anyone have experience with actually implementing this sort of thing in a website? The easy way is to make an image out of the translation and pop that there - but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons!!! I'm reading a bit about character sets and encoding, but it's all a bit abstract at this point. Any experiences or how-to references would be much appreciated! Ta Jason ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions
Hi, Sorry I am a bit late on this. While I haven't got a direct answer, I wrote an article about PDFs and Accessibility which might provide you with some useful information. http://www.usability.com.au/resources/pdf.cfm I know some large organisations (at least one bank) use tools to automatically convert PDFs to RTF - however, they have to then translate the information contained in things like graphs and flow charts by hand. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions Hi, The WE04 was great but unfortunately none of the speakers discussed the issue of making PDF files accessible. I am currently facing this problem. Does anyone have ideas about the tools in market to convert PDF into HTML or any other ways to make the PDF files accessible. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks Bhuvnesh Chaudhry * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is prohibited. Please notify us immediately by return e-mail if you are not the intended recipient and delete all copies of the original message and attachments. This footnote also confirms that this message has been checked for computer viruses. * ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Dean Jackson presentation url
Many thanks Amit I'm glad not everyone was a slack as me and someone had the sense to write it down. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Amit Karmakar Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2004 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Dean Jackson presentation url There you go http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/dj-we04-edugov/ On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:39:04 +1000, Web Usability [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Did anyone write down the url for the excellent presentation Dean Jackson gave at the WE04 session on Thursday Sept 2. Thanks Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Regards, Amit Karmakar http://www.karmakars.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Dean Jackson presentation url
Hi Did anyone write down the url for the excellent presentation Dean Jackson gave at the WE04 session on Thursday Sept 2. Thanks Roger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
