RE: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Perhaps designing for 480x640 then instead of 640x480...;) ByteDreams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnyB Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry we arent designing for 600 * 480 anymore! Well, maybe we'll begin again shortly - new PDAs are comming to the market with VGA (480x640) resolution... :P -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Perhaps designing for 480x640 then instead of 640x480...;) :DD Actually, noc necessarily - these VGA gadgets can operate in landscape mode... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Jixor - Stephen I wrote: Mani Sheriar wrote: Thanks, Charles! Just to put in my two cents about the wasted space issue In general, I actually prefer fixed layouts to fluid. I have a wide monitor and when divs take up all the available space on it they are often unwieldy to read, not to mention less attractive. I have 21 1600x1200 - full width certainly can be too wide to read, especially if the text is small. However fluid 75% I think is good. Fixed width sites are an ugly PITA. Enter Keywords, WHO'S ONLINE LOGIN FORM look really stupid split to two lines: http://calicovial.no-ip.com/mrmazda/lrhp2.png -- The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
I like it. It is nice, but I don't really like the colors. Green like that really just dosen't appeal to me. On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:53:12 +1100, Jixor - Stephen I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Martin wrote: Beautiful concept... I just would like to see the main column expand to the width of the available space... Have to do a lot of scrolling to reach the bottom... but just beautiful. Just to have a bit of a go at most Zen designs, maybe. It just wouldn't look as nice if it was wider, its a standard characteristic of the zen designs that they are very narrow. However I think in the case of the garden that is fine because its about showing off css, not usability. Zen is this rare case where the goal is to make it as pretty as possible with regard for usability fairly optional (I mean obviously you couldn't take it to the extreme. I just mean little things, like width, colour combinations, etc.) No offense intended. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk http://www.spikeradio.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Jixor - Stephen I wrote: It just wouldn't look as nice if it was wider, its a standard characteristic of the zen designs that they are very narrow. However I think in the case of the garden that is fine because its about showing off css, not usability. You're right. :) Guess all the wasted space on the right side was bugging me, but you're right about its purpose to show off what you can do with CSS. :) Just a personal preference, but it is awesome looking. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Just a personal preference, but it is awesome looking. Not only your personal preference... As a showcase of some key features of CSS technology it's OK even if it's not so usable, not em-sized etc. Actually I think the colors are great, I love this combination of this tint of green with that pink... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:34:18 -0600, Mani Sheriar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Take a gander at it here: http://www.manisheriar.com/zengarden2/ Mani Sheriar Mani, On a lighter note: I suppose if you were really twisted, and wanted to freak 'em out, you could make it ugly as sin, readable at 1280, scalable in IE, makin' sense in accessibility mode or with images and/or page colors disabled, and employing more of the available real estate, among other things... ~dL -- http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Thanks, Charles! Just to put in my two cents about the wasted space issue In general, I actually prefer fixed layouts to fluid. I have a wide monitor and when divs take up all the available space on it they are often unwieldy to read, not to mention less attractive. The exception, I guess, is when there is a LOT of content, and it is broken up into columns within the fluid div. But, in general, I have to resize my browser window because I prefer to read shorter lines and scroll. (And I dont like having to resize my browser window.) Anyway, Im sure we cant satisfy everyone because we all have different resolutions and screen sizes and preferences and whatnot. Hey, at least we arent designing for 600 * 480 anymore! Jixor - Stephen I wrote: It just wouldn't look as nice if it was wider, its a standard characteristic of the zen designs that they are very narrow. However I think in the case of the garden that is fine because its about showing off css, not usability. You're right. :) Guess all the wasted space on the right side was bugging me, but you're right about its purpose to show off what you can do with CSS. :) Just a personal preference, but it is awesome looking. Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
we arent designing for 600 * 480 anymore! Well, maybe we'll begin again shortly - new PDAs are comming to the market with VGA (480x640) resolution... :P -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
The design is lovely, but unfortunately, in ie5.5, your footer is stuck to the left hand side of the screen, rather than where it should be following on from the main column above. pix http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Mani Sheriar wrote: In general, I actually prefer fixed layouts to fluid. I have a wide monitor and when divs take up all the available space on it they are often unwieldy to read, not to mention less attractive. Actually, I had forgotten about that, but you're right. I've seen it mentioned before that shorter lines are easier to read without losing your place. I guess it was that part of me that was rebelling because of the wasted space (for example. cnn.com where wasted space is unheard of). Just so used to seeing the page filled up that I forget it is more aesthetically pleasing to not have to take in a whole bunch of content. Anyway, Im sure we cant satisfy everyone because we all have different resolutions and screen sizes and preferences and whatnot. Hey, at least we arent designing for 600 * 480 anymore! Can we get a huge AMEN on that? _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Mani Sheriar wrote: Thanks, Charles! Just to put in my two cents about the wasted space issue In general, I actually prefer fixed layouts to fluid. I have a wide monitor and when divs take up all the available space on it they are often unwieldy to read, not to mention less attractive. I have 21 1600x1200 - full width certainly can be too wide to read, especially if the text is small. However fluid 75% I think is good. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Hi All, I have made another CSS Zen Garden design ... after doing my first one I just couldn't help myself - I was bit by the bug! (By the way, the second time around was sooo much easier!) Anyway, I was wondering if any of you might care to check it out and offer me any feedback on the design, especially if there are any problems on certain browsers. (But nice feedback about how much you like it and how well it works is always welcomed too.) ;~) Take a gander at it here: http://www.manisheriar.com/zengarden2/ Thanks a bunch! Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | http://www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Mani Sheriar wrote: Hi All, I have made another CSS Zen Garden design ... after doing my first one I just couldn't help myself - I was bit by the bug! (By the way, the second time around was sooo much easier!) Anyway, I was wondering if any of you might care to check it out and offer me any feedback on the design, especially if there are any problems on certain browsers. (But nice feedback about how much you like it and how well it works is always welcomed too.) ;~) Take a gander at it here: http://www.manisheriar.com/zengarden2/ Thanks a bunch! Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | http://www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741 One suggestion would be to add space around the bottom of the main container to match the space at the top. Maybe even add another flower background image to the bottom or bottom corner? But these are just style suggestions, nothing technically (css/browser) wrong with the current design (that I can see). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Beautiful concept... I just would like to see the main column expand to the width of the available space... Have to do a lot of scrolling to reach the bottom... but just beautiful. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another Zen Garden Entry
Charles Martin wrote: Beautiful concept... I just would like to see the main column expand to the width of the available space... Have to do a lot of scrolling to reach the bottom... but just beautiful. Just to have a bit of a go at most Zen designs, maybe. It just wouldn't look as nice if it was wider, its a standard characteristic of the zen designs that they are very narrow. However I think in the case of the garden that is fine because its about showing off css, not usability. Zen is this rare case where the goal is to make it as pretty as possible with regard for usability fairly optional (I mean obviously you couldn't take it to the extreme. I just mean little things, like width, colour combinations, etc.) No offense intended. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
