Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
Has anyone written anything like this we could use? Also, excuse my slight ignorance here, but just because a page validates as XHTML and CSS compatible, does that make it accessible? Obviously it helps, but there is more to accessibility than that isn't there. I also use tables in my pages in a couple of places, for the main navigation links and for the 2 column layout of the main content area. Thanks, Stephen - Original Message - From: Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos? Perhaps we need a simple page to link to, explaining what standards are for,in terms that the non-tech viewer can appreciate? I like that idea... -- regards, Kornel Lesiski -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
No, Stephen, a standards-compliant site does not mean an accessible site -- but it goes a long way towards it. Accessibility has it own set of recommendations which sit atop those of pure compliant build, although building to standards often illustrates the developer's mindset: doing the job right :o) Cheers, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stevio Sent: 26 February 2005 14:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos? Has anyone written anything like this we could use? Also, excuse my slight ignorance here, but just because a page validates as XHTML and CSS compatible, does that make it accessible? Obviously it helps, but there is more to accessibility than that isn't there. I also use tables in my pages in a couple of places, for the main navigation links and for the 2 column layout of the main content area. Thanks, Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
Steven wrote: Also, excuse my slight ignorance here, but just because a page validates as XHTML and CSS compatible, does that make it accessible? True. It doesn't even necessarily mean that it's semantically correct, as there tends to be a trend in pages that just consist of a load of divs rather than appropriate elements such as paragraphs, lists, headings, etc. Standards compliance means more than just ensuring that web pages validate. Consider the number of people who add ECMAScript to their pages to add invalid attributes to the DOM, just so that it validates, and the author can continue to use features not included in the DOCTYPE. Best regards, Gez _ Supplement your vitamins http://juicystudio.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
I think you pretty much answered your own question already. :) Leslie Riggs I am just about to complete a new site for a client, and I have coded it according to XHTML 1.0 strict guidelines. I am also using validated CSS. Do you think it is worth displaying the W3C compliance logos at the bottom? Here is the web site: http://www.fit2gether.co.uk/index.html (let me know what you think!) The web site is to do with personal fitness training. Neither the client nor the majority of site visitors would know what these logos mean so is there much point in displaying them? Thanks, Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
I personally try to place this information in the accessibility statement. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
Stephen, Until recently, my feelings were precisely as expressed in your third paragraph! However, I just upgraded a website for a holiday business, and I explained to the owner that it was now done to standards and all that stuff. It meant zero to her, but at least she could appreciate that she/they were getting 'something extra', to the point, in fact, that she expressed the great desire to display some recognition of this fact actually on the site. I explained about the logos and their presence/visibility on the site was insisted upon! I presume this was because they may produce a sense of 'one-upmanship on the competition, or maybe just to advertise a quality thing. I dunno. You can see what I did at www.raintreehouse.co.uk - they are on p2. You'll notice that I didn't actually make the logos a link, because that would be pushing geekiness too far. Perhaps we need a simple page to link to, explaining what standards are for, in terms that the non-tech viewer can appreciate? Just thinking out loud, really . . . Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk - Original Message - From: Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos? I am just about to complete a new site for a client, and I have coded it according to XHTML 1.0 strict guidelines. I am also using validated CSS. Do you think it is worth displaying the W3C compliance logos at the bottom? Here is the web site: http://www.fit2gether.co.uk/index.html (let me know what you think!) The web site is to do with personal fitness training. Neither the client nor the majority of site visitors would know what these logos mean so is there much point in displaying them? Thanks, Stephen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
What you may want to do is insted of the displaying that logo, use the smaller ones, like the ones at the bottom of this (http://plone.org/) page. Also, this is off-topic, but the page displays an 'Invalid Security' image with a link to http://www.statcounter.com/ when javascript is turned off. designer wrote: Stephen, Until recently, my feelings were precisely as expressed in your third paragraph! However, I just upgraded a website for a holiday business, and I explained to the owner that it was now done to standards and all that stuff. It meant zero to her, but at least she could appreciate that she/they were getting 'something extra', to the point, in fact, that she expressed the great desire to display some recognition of this fact actually on the site. I explained about the logos and their presence/visibility on the site was insisted upon! I presume this was because they may produce a sense of 'one-upmanship on the competition, or maybe just to advertise a quality thing. I dunno. You can see what I did at www.raintreehouse.co.uk - they are on p2. You'll notice that I didn't actually make the logos a link, because that would be pushing geekiness too far. Perhaps we need a simple page to link to, explaining what standards are for, in terms that the non-tech viewer can appreciate? Just thinking out loud, really . . . Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk - Original Message - From: Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos? I am just about to complete a new site for a client, and I have coded it according to XHTML 1.0 strict guidelines. I am also using validated CSS. Do you think it is worth displaying the W3C compliance logos at the bottom? Here is the web site: http://www.fit2gether.co.uk/index.html (let me know what you think!) The web site is to do with personal fitness training. Neither the client nor the majority of site visitors would know what these logos mean so is there much point in displaying them? Thanks, Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?
Perhaps we need a simple page to link to, explaining what standards are for,in terms that the non-tech viewer can appreciate? I like that idea... -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
