Re: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Andy Budd wrote: snip / I've come across several really nice sites designed by aussies and kiwis, many of which I've added to my links list. However I'm always on the lookout for more cool, standards complains sites, so wondered who you guys felt which companies and individuals were turning out the best work down under? Hey Andy, In New Zealand its taking a while for consistent, solid webstandards design development to catch on. Those of us who have caught on, and are applying it to our sites have learnt what we know from the huge crew of hard out bloggers and self-publishersyou know who you are ;) I think the largest problem with webdesign in New Zealand (and probably everywhere else...) is Dreamweaver...it seems to have started a breed of really lazy and careless webdesigners. Coupled with fireworks' slice tool the web has been slaughtered. (I do realise that Macromedia has released MX2004 which is a leap in the right direction - containing many tabless design templates, etc. that aims to iron out some of the shocking HTML its produced in the past...) If people took the time to learn the basics, like putting in doctypes and writing semantic HTML, the web would be a far less dissapointing place for us Kiwi's (and the world, i guess). Have a look at some of the sites coming out of NZ at the momentthe TVNZ Site[1] is a nice example... There is however a strong movement towards webstandards. The NZ government has released a pretty sound set of Web Standards[2] which is slowly making people think more about their webdesign. In Auckland I haven't been able to find very many web companies who adhere to webstandards. I have done my best to make webstandards a part of our development methodologies, and its finally working. Every new site we spew out is complient. chuffed /. Wellington seems to be where all the good webstandard based stuff is coming from (http://signify.co.nz/accessibility/index.php) So any other kiwi standards based webdevelopers lurking in Auckland...make yourselves known! :) Cheers D ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
er... [1] http://www.tvnz.co.nz [2] http://www.e-government.govt.nz/docs/web-guidelines-2-1/ Darren Wood wrote: ...the TVNZ Site[1] is a nice example... The NZ government has released a pretty sound set of Web Standards[2] which is slowly making people think more about their webdesign. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Darren Wood wrote: Have a look at some of the sites coming out of NZ at the momentthe TVNZ Site[1] is a nice example... I'm also based in Auckland implementing web-based applications and doing my best to spread the web standards message. Good to see there are others out there. I'm afraid, though, I have to take issue with putting forth the TVNZ site. I'm afraid it has to rate as one of the most disappointing site re-launches for a good while. Apart from being well wide of the web standards mark it takes an age to load on anything but a broadband connection. I know they changed the back-end to Cocoon, but I was hoping they'd grasp the web standards nettle and revamp the markup as well. Cheers Peter Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Peter Asquith wrote: Darren Wood wrote: Have a look at some of the sites coming out of NZ at the momentthe TVNZ Site[1] is a nice example... I'm also based in Auckland implementing web-based applications and doing my best to spread the web standards message. Good to see there are others out there. I'm afraid, though, I have to take issue with putting forth the TVNZ site. I'm afraid it has to rate as one of the most disappointing site re-launches for a good while. Apart from being well wide of the web standards mark it takes an age to load on anything but a broadband connection. I know they changed the back-end to Cocoon, but I was hoping they'd grasp the web standards nettle and revamp the markup as well. Thats my exact point. The people who are building these sites are not the same people who are practising webstandards. TVNZ is an example of the bad web stuff coming outta NZ...tis a shame... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Darren Wood wrote: Thats my exact point. My apologies, I missed it! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Title: RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers Andy asked However I'm always on the lookout for more cool, standards compliant sites, so wondered who you guys felt which companies and individuals were turning out the best work down under? 2 that i'm pretty sure are on this list: http://www.freshweb.com.au/ http://www.glassonion.com.au/ and http://waferbaby.com/ which is related to: http://www.segpub.com.au this is just a quick blurt from my short term memory and i'm in no way affiliated with any of these. anyone else? pete
RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers
Title: RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers yeah, apparently these guys know what they're talking about too ;) http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Lisa -Original Message-From: Peter Ottery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:31 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers Andy asked However I'm always on the lookout for more cool, standards compliant sites, so wondered who you guys felt which companies and individuals were turning out the best work down under? 2 that i'm pretty sure are on this list: http://www.freshweb.com.au/ http://www.glassonion.com.au/ and http://waferbaby.com/ which is related to: http://www.segpub.com.au this is just a quick blurt from my short term memory and i'm in no way affiliated with any of these. anyone else? pete
