Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
Well I guess Its not really a massive issue, but it has led me to rethink the use of too many floats next to each other ... -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 James Ellis wrote: Neerav I think you have to look at a bigger issue here... is the time spent on getting a page to work in IE4 actually worth the effort? Users of IE4 have an upgrade path to a better browser - the time spent assisting these users to follow an upgrade path is more worthwhile than attempting to make a page work in a browser that just doesn't know about CSS2 that much? Crashing is a more serious matter but with page breakages in older browsers I think their are three outcomes here: 1. User doesn't actually interpret the page is broken - it's just the users of better browsers that interpret this. 2. User thinks the page is broken and either: a - fires off an email complaining about poor web development b - goes somewhere else 3. User interprets the pages as broken and upgrades their browser software. It's 2b that is the no-win situation but given the small/tiny population of this subset - is it really an issue? Cheers James Neerav wrote: Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
Thanks I forgot about that. I will give it a go, hopefully it doesnt crash his PC :-) t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
Oh dear ... now his IEcapture page isnt responding for newly entered pages to test ... hope I didnt do anything to it. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
OK Ive narrowed down the code which makes IE4 crash to the 2nd box floated on the right hand side (currently commented out from line 221 - line 235) of http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php Basically the 2nd lower box sample article is formatted the same way as the sample site box above it, however to get both to float right and be one above each other I had to add a container div called container_of_samples, the problem lies somewhere there, but I cant tell where ... any thoughts? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 Neerav wrote: Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks Neerav * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
:O lmfao email the guy apologising just incase! :D!! Hes pretty sweet... - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Oh dear ... now his IEcapture page isnt responding for newly entered pages to test ... hope I didnt do anything to it. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
It recovered within a min or two. no point emailing him, he probably gets flooded with mail and wont read it. meanwhile back to the problem at hand any ideas ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: :O lmfao email the guy apologising just incase! :D!! Hes pretty sweet... - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Oh dear ... now his IEcapture page isnt responding for newly entered pages to test ... hope I didnt do anything to it. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
Neerav wrote: OK Ive narrowed down the code which makes IE4 crash to the 2nd box floated on the right hand side (currently commented out from line 221 - line 235) of http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php Basically the 2nd lower box sample article is formatted the same way as the sample site box above it, however to get both to float right and be one above each other I had to add a container div called container_of_samples, the problem lies somewhere there, but I cant tell where ... any thoughts? It might be the underscores in container_of_samples, since that isn't a legal value for a class. From the CSS2 spec: # In CSS2, identifiers (including element names, classes, and IDs in selectors) can contain only the characters [A-Za-z0-9] and ISO 10646 characters 161 and higher, plus the hyphen (-); they cannot start with a hyphen or a digit. They can also contain escaped characters and any ISO 10646 character as a numeric code (see next item). For instance, the identifier BW? may be written as B\W\? or B\26 W\3F. Note that Unicode is code-by-code equivalent to ISO 10646 (see [UNICODE] and [ISO10646]). * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
Neerav I think you have to look at a bigger issue here... is the time spent on getting a page to work in IE4 actually worth the effort? Users of IE4 have an upgrade path to a better browser - the time spent assisting these users to follow an upgrade path is more worthwhile than attempting to make a page work in a browser that just doesn't know about CSS2 that much? Crashing is a more serious matter but with page breakages in older browsers I think their are three outcomes here: 1. User doesn't actually interpret the page is broken - it's just the users of better browsers that interpret this. 2. User thinks the page is broken and either: a - fires off an email complaining about poor web development b - goes somewhere else 3. User interprets the pages as broken and upgrades their browser software. It's 2b that is the no-win situation but given the small/tiny population of this subset - is it really an issue? Cheers James Neerav wrote: Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
