date:20030605

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Of course, there are such advantages to using bugzilla, but the above listed
 steps are a lot more overhead for submission of trivial patches than
 
 cvs diff foo.c | mail -s Trivial patch to foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 For a very short patch like this:
 
   
   Certainly. But this is just too bad: we cannot make it right for
   everyone. People have been pressing us to provide a bugzilla.
   Of course sometimes another solution may be better. But now since
   we have it we should it should be used.
   Besides I have been advocating a somewhat simpler IF for bug
   submissions. However we need somebody with experience in tweaking
   the bugzilla frontend to do this. We already have one volunteed to
   help. Maybe there will be a lot less overhead in the future.
  
  Hopefully.
  
  I guess I'm just sharing your frustration.  As you've been saying there were
  lots of advocates for bugzilla that indicated a willingness to help, but that
  hasn't happened (at least so far).  Along with that, in that most recent round
  of bugzilla advocacy, one of the advertised benefits was email access, but it
  hasn't happened.  I've used at least three other bug/trouble ticket tracking
  systems that had at least some functions available via email and they've
  been much nicer to work with because of it.

To my knowledge this is available in bugzilla also.
But a lot of advocates appearantly only knew bugzilla from
the user side or from hearsay. They have been working with
highly tweaked and beautified interfaces.
I wonder why non of these tweaks make it back into the official
bugzilla.

  
  Anyway, since Marc committed that small patch embedded in my last message, well
  under an hour after I sent it, it seems this list is a very efficient email
  interface to the XFree86 patch submission system  ;^)
  

It can be efficient but your patches could just as well get lost.
There are projects that neither have a bugtracking system nor
a publically visible bug tracking system. There patches are always
sent to the developers list. People interested in a specific patch
just pick it up and apply it to their source tree for testing.
The patch then gets discussed on the very same list and eventually
some maintainer will pick it up and stick it in the next official
version - a happy anarchy but a lively community.
We have all the nice gadgets now - like bugzilla, cvs etc. but still
the community is far from being lively.
There are too many folks out on this list who have great expectations
but little willingness to make things happen.
However there is hope. We already have one volunteer to help out
with the bugzilla.

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Re: [XJANITOR] : bug fix in savage driver

Owen Taylor writes:
  On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  Isn't the number of patches where you don't want:
  
   - An explanation of what is wrong
   - A bug number to be ability to refer to the change later
   - The ability to add further comments to the bug report
 if more information is needed
  

Yes, these were the features that conviced me of the bugzilla.


  
  We have some patches in the bugzilla.gnome.org to allow it, but:
  
   - Patching bugzilla extensively degrades your ability
 to upgrade to newer versions, so take the advice of experience, 
 try to avoid it.

Yes, that's true. On the other hand I've seen quite a few bugzillas
that have been heavily tweaked.
There seems to be a great demand to get away from the spartanic
looking default face and also there seems to be demand for 
functionalities that the default face doesn't offer.

  
   - Bugzilla really doesn't want to send mail to people without
 accounts; so, if you get a bug submitted by a non-account-holder
 it's sort of second class
   
  Something more sophisticated (email creation of accounts, etc)
  is certainly theortically possible, but I don't know of an
  implementation.
  

Account creation by bugzilla may not be all that importand.
However creating and commenting on a bug may be more interesting.

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Re: fast way to check local X is running

2003-06-05 Thread Jeremy Wilkins

How about

ps -ax | X

to find out if X is running, if it is

xdpyinfo | grep number of screens: 2

or similar (not sure on syntax).

This should be quite quick because it wont wait for any timeouts.

jeb

Andriy Rysin wrote:
-display :0.1 and -display unix:0.1 both give 6 sec.

Andriy

Alan Coopersmith wrote:

Try -display :0.1 or -display unix:0.1

-Alan Coopersmith-  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Quality / User Experience (QUE)   -   Globalization
 Platform Globalization Engineering: X11 Development
Andriy Rysin wrote:

Just found that if I use 'localhost:0.1' form, XOpenDisplay tries to 
connect with TCP stream, while if DISPLAY is NULL it choses fastest 
method it can find.
And actually running just 'xlsfonts' with X down gives error right 
away. The problem is that I have to check for screen 0.1.
Is there any way to use XOpenDisplay specifying screen 0.1 without 
forcing it to TCP mode?

Thanks,
Andriy
Andriy Rysin wrote:

I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any 
mean
to know really quick if local server is down?

Thanks in advance,
Andriy
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Re: [XJANITOR] : bug fix in savage driver

David Dawes writes:
  On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:56:49AM +0200, Egbert Eich wrote:
  David Dawes writes:

The submission process is to go to bugs.xfree86.org.  If people want
their submissions to be seen, that's where they should go.  That's the
clearest explanation of the submission system that I can come up with.

Submissions sent elsewhere may or may not be seen.

  
  Do we use fixes@ and patches@ to accept submissions which the author
  chooses not to be seen?
  
  No, and I don't understand why you're coming up with possible uses for
  a mechanism that you've previously said should be eliminated.

I was just referring to your answer.

  
  Perhaps the only way to eliminate the apparent confusion that people
  seem so adept at finding is to remove those addresses completely so
  that mail sent to them bounces.
  

Sorry, I misread your first message on this issue.

You were saying that the old submission process was deprecated
ie. submissions were no longer accepted thru this channel.
I somehow misread this. I have to apologize.

  It's really very simple.  There is one place for all general (i.e.
  non-security) submissions.  These submissions shouldn't be made until
  they can be seen.  They'll be seen once committed anyway.
  

Yes.

  Why should anybody want his submissions not to be seen?
  
  The only case I can think of that should remain confidential until
  officially announced are security fixes. These however should be
  dealt with differently anyway. 
  
  We have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address for security-related issues, and
  an associated PGP key so that they can be encrypted if desired.  This
  address of course has a very limited and closed distribution.  See
  http://www.xfree86.org/security/.
  

Right.

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Re: SDK and drivers.

2003-06-05 Thread Sven Luther

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 06:02:15PM +0200, Egbert Eich wrote:
 Sven Luther writes:
   
   No problem, i have been busy with other things too, and my motherboard
   died on saturday, so i could not do much work this WE. 
 
 I'm sorry to hear that. 

No problem, it was under guarantee :)))

  Also, would your new SDK still use a fixed path or should it be possible
  to install it anywhere ?
  

Fixed path? I have not looked at the old SDK, but my plan is to
have it like the build tree so you should be able to put it anywhere.
   
   Well, once you build and install the SDK, the PROJECTROOT gets expanded
   in the Imakefiles/Makefiles, and it has problem during the build phase
   if you moved it, since it tries to erase files in the old location, for
   which it may not have the rights. I was able to override this behavior
   by calling make wile overriding one of the make variables, i forgot
   which one right now, but i think it was something like USRINCDIR or
   something such.
   
   Ideally it would be easy to build in any place, possibly not as root,
   and then to be able to install as root, and with the install path
   accepting the $(DESTDIR) prefix, so the drivers can be installed into a
   package.
   
 
 My plan is to create a self-contained build environment which does
 not use any absolute paths but builds the stuff in directories
 relative to its root directory - much like the full build does.

This sounds fine. But i guess it will be ready for the 4.4 timeframe,
right ? I will continue hacking on the current SDK for 4.3 in the
meantime.

Friendly,

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Re: [XJANITOR] : bug fix in savage driver

2003-06-05 Thread joe

 Emmanuel writes:

   
   So in short : where the trivial fixes (more or less like the janitor 
   ones) should be submitted (for now they are submitted via bugzilla)?
   Thanks
 
 Yes.
 
 1. Please create yourself a bugzilla account and log in.
 2. You can then use the 'create' function to create a new
submission. 
 3. Please try to identify as closely as possible the component
the submission is for, add a brief description and use the
'attachment' button to create an attachment containing your
diff. 
 4. Please don't forget to set the mimetype of the attachment
to 'patch'. 
This is importand as it helps to locate those entries that
contain patches.
 
 You can then always search for the entry and find out if 
 the fix has been submitted already or if somebody has a
 comment on your submission.

Of course, there are such advantages to using bugzilla, but the above listed
steps are a lot more overhead for submission of trivial patches than

cvs diff foo.c | mail -s Trivial patch to foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For a very short patch like this:

diff -u -r1.13 xf86MiscExt.c
--- xf86MiscExt.c   3 Apr 2003 16:15:56 -   1.13
+++ xf86MiscExt.c   4 Jun 2003 18:44:04 -
@@ -618,7 +618,7 @@
 {
 ScrnInfoPtr pScr = xf86Screens[scrnIndex];
 
-DEBUG_P(MiscExtGetFilePaths);
+DEBUG_P(MiscExtPassMessage);
 
 if (*pScr-HandleMessage == NULL)
return BadImplementation;

a simpler submission method seems more appropriate.

Anyone know anything more about the mythical email interface to bugzilla?



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fast way to check local X is running

I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any mean
to know really quick if local server is down?
Thanks in advance,
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Emmanuel writes:
  
  Thanks for the clarity. I have done it as you said already, I will 
  insist on the mime type for attachments on the janitor page.

OK, thanks.

  Just one more thing : the patches I have submitted are trivial (minor 
  mem leaks, clean-ups, and only one more severe bug) but I had no 
  feedback (#274, 278, 279).

Yes, I've seen that. This week I'm still not near my development
systems therefore I cannot look at it. I'll take a look at it next
week.

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Re: fast way to check local X is running

2003-06-05 Thread ilya

ps -ax|grep XFree86

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:20:08PM -0700, Andriy Rysin wrote:
 I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
 command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
 XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
 localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
 probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
 for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
 case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any mean
 to know really quick if local server is down?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Andriy
 
 
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Re: fast way to check local X is running

Just found that if I use 'localhost:0.1' form, XOpenDisplay tries to 
connect with TCP stream, while if DISPLAY is NULL it choses fastest 
method it can find.
And actually running just 'xlsfonts' with X down gives error right away. 
The problem is that I have to check for screen 0.1.
Is there any way to use XOpenDisplay specifying screen 0.1 without 
forcing it to TCP mode?

Thanks,
Andriy
Andriy Rysin wrote:

I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any mean
to know really quick if local server is down?
Thanks in advance,
Andriy
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Re: fast way to check local X is running

A bit ugly but the case is even not that :) - I have to check for screen 
0.1 (tv output in my case) and ps -ax will not give me that information.

Andriy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ps -ax|grep XFree86

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:20:08PM -0700, Andriy Rysin wrote:
 

I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any mean
to know really quick if local server is down?
Thanks in advance,
Andriy
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Re: fast way to check local X is running

2003-06-05 Thread Harold L Hunt II

Specify :0.1 (note: no hostname) as the DISPLAY.  That will use UNIX 
domain sockets, which I am assuming that X using when you pass NULL.

Harold

Andriy Rysin wrote:

Just found that if I use 'localhost:0.1' form, XOpenDisplay tries to 
connect with TCP stream, while if DISPLAY is NULL it choses fastest 
method it can find.
And actually running just 'xlsfonts' with X down gives error right away. 
The problem is that I have to check for screen 0.1.
Is there any way to use XOpenDisplay specifying screen 0.1 without 
forcing it to TCP mode?

Thanks,
Andriy
Andriy Rysin wrote:

I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any mean
to know really quick if local server is down?
Thanks in advance,
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Re: fast way to check local X is running

I tried that, the delay is the same as with 'localhost:0.1' ~6 sec. Man 
page says

  If the hostname is a host
  machine name and a single colon (:) separates the hostname and 
display
  number, XOpenDisplay connects using TCP streams.  If the hostname is
  not specified, Xlib uses whatever it believes is the fastest 
transport.
  If the hostname is a host machine name and a double colon (::) sepa-
  rates the hostname and display number, XOpenDisplay connects 
using DEC-
  net.

So it's supposed to be 'fastest transport' when no hostname is specified 
but from the other side it says that colon ':' specifes TCP (and '::' 
specifies DECnet). So there's some ambiguity here.

Andriy

Harold L Hunt II wrote:

Specify :0.1 (note: no hostname) as the DISPLAY.  That will use UNIX 
domain sockets, which I am assuming that X using when you pass NULL.

Harold

Andriy Rysin wrote:

Just found that if I use 'localhost:0.1' form, XOpenDisplay tries to 
connect with TCP stream, while if DISPLAY is NULL it choses fastest 
method it can find.
And actually running just 'xlsfonts' with X down gives error right 
away. The problem is that I have to check for screen 0.1.
Is there any way to use XOpenDisplay specifying screen 0.1 without 
forcing it to TCP mode?

Thanks,
Andriy
Andriy Rysin wrote:

I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any 
mean
to know really quick if local server is down?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [XJANITOR] : bug fix in savage driver

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  Of course, there are such advantages to using bugzilla, but the above listed
  steps are a lot more overhead for submission of trivial patches than
  
   cvs diff foo.c | mail -s Trivial patch to foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  For a very short patch like this:
  

Certainly. But this is just too bad: we cannot make it right for
everyone. People have been pressing us to provide a bugzilla.
Of course sometimes another solution may be better. But now since
we have it we should it should be used.
Besides I have been advocating a somewhat simpler IF for bug
submissions. However we need somebody with experience in tweaking
the bugzilla frontend to do this. We already have one volunteed to
help. Maybe there will be a lot less overhead in the future.

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Re: fast way to check local X is running

-display :0.1 and -display unix:0.1 both give 6 sec.

Andriy

Alan Coopersmith wrote:

Try -display :0.1 or -display unix:0.1

-Alan Coopersmith-  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Sun Software Group
 Quality / User Experience (QUE)   -   Globalization
 Platform Globalization Engineering: X11 Development
Andriy Rysin wrote:

Just found that if I use 'localhost:0.1' form, XOpenDisplay tries to 
connect with TCP stream, while if DISPLAY is NULL it choses fastest 
method it can find.
And actually running just 'xlsfonts' with X down gives error right 
away. The problem is that I have to check for screen 0.1.
Is there any way to use XOpenDisplay specifying screen 0.1 without 
forcing it to TCP mode?

Thanks,
Andriy
Andriy Rysin wrote:

I've got a server program trying to connect to local X server on
command. If X runs everything is fine but if not timeout for
XOpenDisplay is pretty long. I tried to run 'xlsfonts -display
localhost:0.1' when X server is down and got about 6 sec delay. It's
probably reasonable for remote X server because of network delays but
for localhost there is probably a faster way. Delay is crucial in my
case - I need to know if X is down in less than 2 sec, is there any 
mean
to know really quick if local server is down?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [XJANITOR] : bug fix in savage driver

2003-06-05 Thread joe

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
   Of course, there are such advantages to using bugzilla, but the above listed
   steps are a lot more overhead for submission of trivial patches than
   
  cvs diff foo.c | mail -s Trivial patch to foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   For a very short patch like this:
   
 
 Certainly. But this is just too bad: we cannot make it right for
 everyone. People have been pressing us to provide a bugzilla.
 Of course sometimes another solution may be better. But now since
 we have it we should it should be used.
 Besides I have been advocating a somewhat simpler IF for bug
 submissions. However we need somebody with experience in tweaking
 the bugzilla frontend to do this. We already have one volunteed to
 help. Maybe there will be a lot less overhead in the future.

Hopefully.

I guess I'm just sharing your frustration.  As you've been saying there were
lots of advocates for bugzilla that indicated a willingness to help, but that
hasn't happened (at least so far).  Along with that, in that most recent round
of bugzilla advocacy, one of the advertised benefits was email access, but it
hasn't happened.  I've used at least three other bug/trouble ticket tracking
systems that had at least some functions available via email and they've
been much nicer to work with because of it.

Anyway, since Marc committed that small patch embedded in my last message, well
under an hour after I sent it, it seems this list is a very efficient email
interface to the XFree86 patch submission system  ;^)



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Re: [XJANITOR] : bug fix in savage driver

2003-06-05 Thread Marc Aurele La France

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyway, since Marc committed that small patch embedded in my last message, well
 under an hour after I sent it, it seems this list is a very efficient email
 interface to the XFree86 patch submission system  ;^)

Tee hee.

Marc.

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Re: [XJANITOR] : bug fix in savage driver

2003-06-05 Thread Owen Taylor

On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Of course, there are such advantages to using bugzilla, but the above listed
 steps are a lot more overhead for submission of trivial patches than
 
   cvs diff foo.c | mail -s Trivial patch to foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 For a very short patch like this:

Isn't the number of patches where you don't want:

 - An explanation of what is wrong
 - A bug number to be ability to refer to the change later
 - The ability to add further comments to the bug report
   if more information is needed

Really tiny? At least for GTK+, a good fraction
of the trivial patches that don't need further explanation
people send in tend to be of the form:

- /* use widget */
+ if (widget)
+ /* use widget */

[...]

 diff -u -r1.13 xf86MiscExt.c
 --- xf86MiscExt.c 3 Apr 2003 16:15:56 -   1.13
 +++ xf86MiscExt.c 4 Jun 2003 18:44:04 -
 @@ -618,7 +618,7 @@
  {
  ScrnInfoPtr pScr = xf86Screens[scrnIndex];
  
 -DEBUG_P(MiscExtGetFilePaths);
 +DEBUG_P(MiscExtPassMessage);
  
  if (*pScr-HandleMessage == NULL)
   return BadImplementation;
 
 a simpler submission method seems more appropriate.
 
 Anyone know anything more about the mythical email interface to bugzilla?

We have some patches in the bugzilla.gnome.org to allow it, but:

 - Patching bugzilla extensively degrades your ability
   to upgrade to newer versions, so take the advice of experience, 
   try to avoid it.

 - Bugzilla really doesn't want to send mail to people without
   accounts; so, if you get a bug submitted by a non-account-holder
   it's sort of second class
 
Something more sophisticated (email creation of accounts, etc)
is certainly theortically possible, but I don't know of an
implementation.

Regards,
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Re: [XFree86] Sig 11 crashes under 4.3 / Mozilla

2003-06-05 Thread Geoff

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:52:13 -0400 (EDT)
Mark Vojkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Usually these are bugs in the font server or font
 renderer.
 Try using explicit font paths in the Section Files in
 the XF86Config instead of using the font server.  If that
 doesn't solve it, try not using the truetype renderer
 (freetype or xtt) to see if that makes it go away.
 

Thanks Mark,

Your reply was very helpful.  I already had explicit font
paths.  I was, however, loading the freetype module but not
xtt (I have never used that module).  I commented out the
instruction to load freetype and the problem went away.
I have now tried loading xtt instead of freetype and, so far
as a very quick appraisal can tell, I seem to have my
truetype fonts working as well as they did before and
Mozilla no longer crashes.

If you would be so kind, can you answer two more questions :

(1) Have I found a bug in freetype which I should report, or
is it more likely that something is wrong with my own
freetype installation?  I should explain that this is a
fresh and first compilation of freetype2 for the purposes of
X 4.3 - I had used freetype1 previously.

(2) Am I losing anything by using the xtt module rather than
the freetype one?

Thanks again,

Geoff
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[XFree86] Problem with Radeon 9500 pro

2003-06-05 Thread Franck Bui-Huu

Hi,

I installed linux mandrake 9.1 with XFree86-4-3-8 and
I can't start X server. I get this warning:
Radeon: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found

Anyone can help me ?

Thanks

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[XFree86] Xterm

2003-06-05 Thread Zippo

I am haveing a problem with my Xterm promts. It is sh-05a$. it makes life in terminial 
rather hard. However if i type exec /bin/bash --login i corrects the problem. But i 
have todo that for every Xterm and is a pain. And if i am in a non-xterm terminal it 
is correct also. I am clueless some help would be much thanks. zippo
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Re: [XFree86] Scroll Lock LED not lighting in X

On Thursday, June 5, 2003 2:00 pm, John Argenziano wrote:
 Hi - I'm running Xfree86 4.2.1, and am seeing that the ScrollLock LED
 does not light when pressed.  Going to any other virtual console, the
 ScrollLock LED works fine, but returning to the X console, it no
 longer works.  I have verified that the keymaps are correct, and that
 the ScrollLock key press event is properly recognized.  Does anyone
 know what else I should look at?

I have the same problem here, but I never noticed until you pointed it out.  
Shows how much I need scroll lock...

In Konsole 1.2.1, scroll lock acks like an xon/xoff toggle (behaves like ^a-^s 
and ^a-^q in screen), so scroll lock isn't being ignored.  Furthermore, xev 
shows:

KeyPress event, serial 26, synthetic NO, window 0x261,
root 0x40, subw 0x0, time 109137189, (-164,-15), root:(501,368),
state 0x0, keycode 78 (keysym 0xff14, Scroll_Lock), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:  

KeyRelease event, serial 26, synthetic NO, window 0x261,
root 0x40, subw 0x0, time 109137312, (-164,-15), root:(501,368),
state 0x0, keycode 78 (keysym 0xff14, Scroll_Lock), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:  

I don't know why the led's not lighting, but I don't really care either.  It's 
better used for showing network activity, in my opinion; at least that's how 
I use it with NCD X servers.

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Re: [XFree86] Server crash

On Thursday, June 5, 2003 2:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi

 X- windows server has crashed . When I type in startx at the prompt , the
 following error is seen.

 Attaching the log message.
 XFree86.0.log

It hasn't crashed.  It just refuses to start because it can't find your font 
server.  Personally, I don't screw around with font servers; I just put font 
directories right into my XF86Config.  As for you, just be sure that xfs is 
running (that's the name, right?).

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Re: [XFree86] howto install Xfree from scratch

On Thursday, June 5, 2003 4:04 pm, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
 On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Kentropy wrote:
  Hello,
  I'd like to know where to find instructions about
  howto install Xfree from scratch.
  Could someone help me please ?
  TIA

From scratch meaning from source?

Download the src packages from ftp.xfree86.org.  Unpack.
 Go into the /xc directory and do make World.  If that succeeds
 (it should), type make install.   Run ldconfig and you should
 have a complete and working XFree86 installation.

While we're on the subject, what target do I use (the default?) to resume a 
build previously interrupted?  make World seems to start off by deleting 
*everything*, regardless of whether it really needs to be rebuilt.  On my 
slow systems, this deleting seems rather pointless, so I think I'd like to 
skip it by default...

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Re: [XFree86] GUI fail after install

On Thursday, June 5, 2003 5:15 pm, Philip Walker wrote:
 I have tried to install Linux 8 publisher's Edition from the 'Red Hat Linux
 8 for Dummies' CDs. This was supposed to install with the full GUI
 interface.
 All seemed to go well until the reboot after installation when it refused
 to start the graphical interface. I am struggling with the command line but
 have managed to copy the log file and attach it to this message.

Try a different color depth.  Your log reports that 16bpp isn't supported:

(EE) ATI(0): Depth 16 is not supported through this adapter.

You can pick different depths in your XF86Config file or on the startx or 
xinit command line:

startx -- -depth 24

for example.

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Re: [XFree86] dtksh: converting from XtDisplay

On Thursday, June 5, 2003 4:59 pm, Tommy Wareing wrote:
 I'm writing a utility which is invoked on a Solaris box, by a dtksh
 script (which I can't modify).

What kind of X server are you using?  XFree86 doesn't come with anything calld 
XtInitialize or XtDisplay, so I don't know if we can help you.

 The dtksh script includes the two lines:
   XtInitialize TOPLEVEL printerConfig Dtlp ${@:-}
   XtDisplay DISPLAY $TOPLEVEL

 after which $DISPLAY has been set to 0xd9158

I guess that could be a network name, maybe... (what kind of network are you 
chaps using?), but it doesn't include the traditional :0 or :0.0 or whatever 
at the end, indicating which server and which screen on the host.

printerConfig??  What's Dtlp?  Also, what value does $TOPLEVEL have at this 
point?

 Our man pages inform me that XtDisplay returns the display pointer for
 the specified widget, but that's the limit of my knowledge. They seem
 to be standard lines from the dtksh examples, so presumably these
 aren't as destructive as they look at first sight.

 Is there anyway I can retrieve the original value of $DISPLAY, and
 open new windows?

Have you checked to see if that DISPLAY works as-is?

You might want to contact your local system administrators, if you need help 
understanding and working with otherwise-untouchable system scripts.

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Re: [XFree86] howto install Xfree from scratch

2003-06-05 Thread Kentropy

  I'd like to know where to find instructions about
  howto install Xfree from scratch.
  Could someone help me please ?
  TIA
 

From scratch meaning from source?

Download the src packages from ftp.xfree86.org.  Unpack.
 Go into the /xc directory and do make World.  If that succeeds
 (it should), type make install.   Run ldconfig and you should
 have a complete and working XFree86 installation.

Thank you for answering,
I haven't done the right answer:
Yes, 'from scratch' means from source and installed onto a other linuxbox.

I'm unable to find instructions about this process on www.xfree86.org, or
www.google.com

I already have these bricks:
GRUB+KERNEL+FILESYSTEM
now I need to install only XFREE86
I built a kernel on my linuxbox and installed it on another 'target PC'.
I built Xfree86 on my linuxbox and now I don't know how and what to copy
files and configure them on the other 'target PC'

TIA

I need to devel

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RE: [XFree86] Fatal server error: no screens found

2003-06-05 Thread Cynthia Grossen

The error message is telling you that you either didn't configure X after
installation or the config file isn't located anywhere that X knows of.
(Generally in /etc/X11/XF86Config, but not always--for windows
especially.)

You can configure X in a number of different ways, XFree86 -configure is
probably the easiest.

XFree86  -configure 
When this option is specified, the X server loads all video driver modules,
probes for available hardware, and writes out an initial XF86Config(5) file
based on what was detected. This option currently has some problems on some
platforms, but in most cases it is a good way to bootstrap the configuration
process. This option is only available when the server is run as root (i.e.,
with real-uid 0). 
http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/XFree86.1.html

You may also need to use XF86cfg or XF86config. Read their manpages by
following the links in the above link.

HTH,
cyn

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RE: [XFree86] ATI All IN WONDER Raedon 7500

2003-06-05 Thread Cynthia Grossen

My questions are:
¿my card All in Wonder Raedon 7500 is supported ?
Yes

¿What I need to do to make it works with Linux ?

(II) RADEON(0): monitor1: Using hsync range of 30.00-96.00 kHz
(II) RADEON(0): monitor1: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-160.00 Hz
(II) RADEON(0): Clock range:  20.00 to 350.00 MHz
(II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode 320x175 (bad mode
clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode 320x200 (bad mode
clock/interlace/doublescan)

(II) RADEON(0): Total number of valid DDC mode(s) found: 0
(WW) RADEON(0): Mode 1280x1024 is out of range.
(WW) RADEON(0): Valid modes must be between 320x200-0x0
(WW) RADEON(0): Mode 1280x960 is out of range.
(WW) RADEON(0): Valid modes must be between 320x200-0x0
(WW) RADEON(0): Mode 1152x864 is out of range.
(WW) RADEON(0): Valid modes must be between 320x200-0x0
(WW) RADEON(0): Mode 1024x768 is out of range.
(WW) RADEON(0): Valid modes must be between 320x200-0x0
(WW) RADEON(0): Mode 800x600 is out of range.
(WW) RADEON(0): Valid modes must be between 320x200-0x0
(WW) RADEON(0): Mode 640x480 is out of range.
(WW) RADEON(0): Valid modes must be between 320x200-0x0
(II) RADEON(0): Total number of valid FP mode(s) found: 0
(EE) RADEON(0): No valid mode found for this DFP/LCD

I believe this is a bug, you need the cvs version of X or a patch. (The bug
was fixed there, there may be distro specific updates available. I don't
know.)

If its not a bug, then the advice in the original error message applies.
(EE) Screen(s) found , but none have a usable configuration
Try to change some parameters

HTH,
cyn

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RE: [XFree86] Config question

2003-06-05 Thread Cynthia Grossen

(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 31.50-48.50 kHz
(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 40.00-70.00 Hz
(II) R128(0): Clock range:  12.50 to 250.00 MHz

Your hsync range is not large and this is causing a lot of your modes to be
rejected. 
(II) R128(0): Not using default mode 640x480 (hsync out of range)
(II) R128(0): Not using default mode 800x600 (hsync out of range)
(II) R128(0): Not using default mode 1024x768 (hsync out of range)

If you can open this up that might allow these modes to work. There are
other modes available but many are failing with (no mode of this name) as
the explanation. Perhaps they need to be specified in your config file?
Others are failing because you don't have enough (video) memory, probably
for the color depth you specified, so it may be worth trying lower color
depths. A few fail due to vrefresh and mode clock settings.

You've got  8K of video memory.
VideoRAM: 8192 kByte (128-bit SDR SGRAM 1:1).

Looks like you're trying to do 24 bits.
(**) R128(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32

It may (or may not) be worth generating some custom modelines and trying
those. Use the gtf utility included with X if you want to try this out.

Good luck,
cyn

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[XFree86] permedia3 card crash

2003-06-05 Thread Oliver Comber

Hi,

My friend is running XFree86 4.2.0 - it is a basic redhat7.3 dist.

We installed a dual headed Appian Permedia3 card recently, and all was going 
well - both heads up and running and the decent config recorded in 
/etc/xf86config - until we rebooted.

Basically, the whole machine freezes the first time X is started UNLESS X is 
first 'bootstrapped' by starting with X -configure.  After this, switch to 
runlevel 5 and all is well.

I imagine that the probing X does to autoconfigure must set some things on the 
card which the standard X driver doesn't do.

Has anyone else come across this, and is there a fix?

Thanks,
Oli

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Re: [XFree86] strange video problem on trident 9680

2003-06-05 Thread Mike Loving

Alan:

using just libscanpci.a from your directory did not work,  however

downloading the 4.3.0 release binary and installing it (as per the instructions)
and then applying the late may patches from your directory (and then redoing the
config)
resulted in an X system that seems to be working perfectly

Thanx for your assistance.

Mike


Alan Hourihane wrote:

 In fact,

 I'll do another build now and upload libscanpci.a as part of the upload
 in my home directory.

 Alan.

 On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 06:51:12PM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote:
  You'll need to upgrade to XFree86 4.3.0 before trying this as the
  scanpci module changed its interface (or just grab libscanpci.a from 4.3.0)
 
  Alan.
 
  On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 11:36:46AM -0600, Mike Loving wrote:
   Oh, OK.  please see attached.
  
   I do seem some complaints(?) in the log that some module is compiled for
   4.2.0
  
   Alan Hourihane wrote:
  
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 09:35:23AM -0600, Mike Loving wrote:
 Hmmm,

  I've attempted to install the
 
  update XFree86 binary and trident drivers from

 I think that I already replaced XFree86 and the trident_drv.o.  The new
 version runs briefly and aborts (like maybe I incorrectly installed either
 XFree86 or
 the trident driver).
   
Then I can't say what the problem is without seeing the log.
   
Alan.
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[XFree86] Newbie: what did I do .. what to do

2003-06-05 Thread Leena

Hello!

During the lasttime I had my computer onI noticed, that I had lost the connection to the printer. I was supposed to delete something, and might had deleted a wrong src-folder. This I noticed, because nowI found a broken link from /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/build to ../../usr/src/linux-2.4.7-10

When rebooting everything seems to start normally, but in the shut down phase, shutting down xfs and stopping lpd are failed. When trying to start X I get the an error message.

I´m using an old version of xf, but if there is a "quick fix" to this problem (like putting into the src-folder something I might have deleted from there), it would be a great help to me. Especially if a-non-guru-blond-newbie could do the fix! And quite soon, since I managed to mess up my computer right in the middle of a pile of dead-line dates!

BR, Pepitta

Error:
XFree86 version 4.1.0 (RH Linux release 4.1.0-3)
XWindow system (protocol version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510)
Release Date: 2 June 2001
.
.
.
Module loader present
== Log file :/"var/log/XFree86.0.log"
==using config file:"/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
==server layout "xfree86 configured"
.
.
.
II Loading submodule "ddc"
II LoadModule: "ddc"
IIReloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a
II NEOMAGIC(0):VESA VBE DDC supported
II NEOMAGIC(0):VESA VBE DDC Level none
II NEOMAGIC(0):VESA VBE DDC transfer in appr.0sec
II NEOMAGIC(0):VESA VBE DDC read failed
.
.
.
Error loading keymap /var/tmp/server-0.xkm
Couldn´t load xkb keymap, falling back to pre-xkb keymap.

Could not init font path element unix/:7100 , removing from list!

Fatal server error:
Could not open default font ´fixed´

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Re: [XFree86] permedia3 card crash

2003-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård

Oliver Comber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 We installed a dual headed Appian Permedia3 card recently, and all was going 
 well - both heads up and running and the decent config recorded in 
 /etc/xf86config - until we rebooted.
 
 Basically, the whole machine freezes the first time X is started UNLESS X is 
 first 'bootstrapped' by starting with X -configure.  After this, switch to 
 runlevel 5 and all is well.
 
 I imagine that the probing X does to autoconfigure must set some
 things on the card which the standard X driver doesn't do.

That isn't the case.  The probing is done by the standard drivers.

 Has anyone else come across this, and is there a fix?

Can you try to obtain a log file?  Mount the filesystem where your
/var is with option sync, typically something like

mount -o remount,sync /var

Then try to start X.  Reboot and post /var/log/XFree86.0.log here.
Also look for anomalies in the kernel logs.

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[XFree86] Compiling error X11 4.2.0 KeysymStr.c:39:23: ks_tables.h: No such file ordirectory

2003-06-05 Thread PHoang

I have download the src code for X11 version 4.2.0, untar and compile.  I
got the error
KeysymStr.c:39:23: ks_tables.h: No such file or directory
Anyone has similar error?

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Re: [XFree86] Newbie: what did I do .. what to do

2003-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård

Leena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 During the last time I had my computer on I noticed, that I had lost
 the connection to the printer. I was supposed to delete something,
 and might had deleted a wrong src- folder. This I noticed, because
 now I found a broken link from /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/build to
 ../../usr/src/linux-2.4.7-10

That's the kernel source you deleted.  You don't usually need it.

 Error:
 
 Could not init font path element unix/:7100 , removing from list!

This means that the font server isn't running...

 Fatal server error:
 
 Could not open default font ´fixed´

... so the X server can't find any fonts.

You have to either get your font server running, or make the X server
load the fonts from files instead.  To do the latter, put something
like this in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.

Section Files
RgbPath  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
ModulePath   /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
EndSection


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Re: [XFree86] Bug Report

2003-06-05 Thread Eric Humphries

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 03:51:59PM +0200, Frank Rogall wrote:

 Hi,
 
 i have tried xfree with my new Dell Inspiron 8500 without success.
 I tried 4.3.0 and then with patch to 4.3.0.1 no success.
 Downloaded the latest tarball 4.3.99.5 compiled and tested
 the result is attached.
 
 By
 Frank
 

I just signed up for  this list, just curious what this was regarding. I too, have an 
Inspiron 8500 and I'm having problems getting the display to hit the 16/10 aspect 
ratio so it fills the screen. I'm doing this under FreeBSD 5.0 with a GENERIC kernel 
and xfree 4.3.0. I purchased my laptop with the GeForce 4 card so I've been using the 
xfree stock 'nv' driver. 

I'm trying to set X to 1920x1200 @ 60hz, but for some reason it will only hit 
1280x1024 with an aspect ratio of 4/3. 

You can check my config and logs at: http://marley.bitstream.net/~hump/

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[XFree86] Sig 11 crashes under 4.3 / Mozilla

2003-06-05 Thread Geoff

Hi,

I recently compiled/installed 4.3 - upgrading from 4.2.  I
am now seeing Sig 11 crashes on web pages retrieved by
Mozilla (current nightly build), when the page contains an
ascii 129 character. An example is :

http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/kazuho/index-e.htm

There is an ascii 129 in the page title and I guess that
Mozilla tries to print it to the screen and that this is
what prompts the crash.  Oddly, the same thing does not
happen with Opera, so I assume that it must handle the
character differently.

Can anyone replicate this behaviour (under any version of
Moz)?

Does it sound like a bug in X (bearing in mind that I
never saw it in 4.2) or in Moz?

Should I be posting this on dev?

Thanks

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[XFree86] Cirrus drivers for a server with on-board GD5424

2003-06-05 Thread Bernie . Deschanes


Hey!

You appear to have discontinued support for the 5424 chips which has resulted in my (formerly functional) NCR server ceasing to work when upgraded. Any recommendations for getting it working without back-revving XF to version 3-something if I can find it?

Bernie


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Re: [XFree86] (no subject)

On Wednesday, June 4, 2003 5:43 am, Ulrich Schwarz wrote:
 hello,
 i have a problem with x11: my compute server is not able to open a
 display on my machine. why?

Check xauth and xhost.

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Re: [XFree86] Matrox and dual head with mandrake 9.1

On Wednesday, June 4, 2003 3:34 am, pierfrancesco wrote:
 Hi everybody!

 My name is Pierfrancesco and I am trying to configure Mandrake 9.1 to use
 the Xinerama extensions, in order to share the desktop between 2 monitors.
 I have a Matrox G400 but, although I tried several times to follow the
 instructions (I found them on the web), the Graphic Server does not seem to
 work properly and there is no the dual head feature operating.

 Actually when I type from the copmmand line:

 startx -- +xinerama,

 nothing happens and and an error message appears suggesting that something
 is wrong with the graphic server.

 Would someone please tell me (in a step by step process) how to configure
 Xfree? In Windows the Matrox configuration utility is easy to usebut If
 I could share the monitors in Mandrake, I would finally get rid of
 Microsoft

May we see your XF86Config and your error log?  Upload them somewhere or 
attach them to an email to this list.

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[XFree86] XF86Config for Dell Latitude C840

2003-06-05 Thread Pritesh

I am having trouble with setting up the XFree86 configuration file for Dell Latitude 
C840. It would of really great help if someone can send their copy of XF86Config. If 
possible can you also send the kernel which you are using. 

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [XFree86] information about no screens found

On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, mohammed ali wrote:

 i need information about no screens found when switching from text to gui mode.
 

   It usually, but not always, means your video card is too
new for the version of XFree86 you are running.  We'll need to
see your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file to be sure.


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[XFree86] RH9 Tecra 8200 1400x1050 display

2003-06-05 Thread Srikanth Konjarla

All,

I am running Redhat 9 on a Tecra 8200. Display works
fine with 1024x768 resolution by default. But, i am
unable to configure it to work with 1040x1050
resolution. I have set Option display1400 to on. X
version is 4.3 and the video card is Trident
CyberbladeXP with 16MB RAM. Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Srikanth

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Re: [XFree86] XF86Config for Dell Latitude C840

   If you have the NVIDIA graphics you need to be using XFree86 4.3
or NVIDIA's binary Linux drivers from the NVIDIA web site.

Mark.


On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Pritesh wrote:

 I am having trouble with setting up the XFree86 configuration file for Dell Latitude 
 C840. It would of really great help if someone can send their copy of XF86Config. If 
 possible can you also send the kernel which you are using. 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: [XFree86] Metrics override with nv driver, possible?

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Robin Rosenberg wrote:

 How can I change the metrics for an X display. When using NVidia's
 drivers I got the correct dimensions within a few millimeters. Using the
 XFree driverse I get something completely off the walls. 
 
 xdpyinfo reports:
  dimensions:1904x1200 pixels (645x406 millimeters)
  resolution:75x75 dots per inch
 
 My laptop screen is much smaller with a actual display area of 322x207 mm,
 which make everything that uses metrics look bad.

There's a DisplaySize option in the Section Montior of the
XF86Config file. eg:

  DisplaySize 322 207

Most laptop panels don't have EDIDs so the driver can't query
the correct DPI without specific knowledge of the laptop, such
as NVIDIA's drivers would know. 


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Re: [XFree86] Bug Report

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Eric Humphries wrote:

 I just signed up for  this list, just curious what this was regarding. I too, have 
 an Inspiron 8500 and I'm having problems getting the display to hit the 16/10 aspect 
 ratio so it fills the screen. I'm doing this under FreeBSD 5.0 with a GENERIC kernel 
 and xfree 4.3.0. I purchased my laptop with the GeForce 4 card so I've been using 
 the xfree stock 'nv' driver. 
 
 I'm trying to set X to 1920x1200 @ 60hz, but for some reason it will only hit 
 1280x1024 with an aspect ratio of 4/3. 
 
 You can check my config and logs at: http://marley.bitstream.net/~hump/

   Your config file is only setup for 1280x1024.  Show me an
XFree86.0.log from a 1900x1200 setup that fails.

   I've seen these laptops working at 16/10 with the nv driver before.


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Re: [XFree86] Sig 11 crashes under 4.3 / Mozilla