RE: [delicious-discuss] Tagging Tags?
Joshua Schachter wrote: i dunno. i think it makes everything very complicated. how would the relevance affect anything other than notation? maybe there needs to be a to distinguish this is a url i wanted to save vs this is a GREAT url i wanted to save How 'bout a GM script that automatically fetches/displays Google PageRank ... or something ... Tim -- Tim Larson West Corporation, Interactive TeleServices ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] New tags not getting added.
Fixing this now. What's your account name? On Nov 29, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Anand Kishore wrote: Hi, I'm facing this bug: When I bookmark a page with a new tag it doesnt show up in My Tags list when i try bookmarking another page. But if i view My Bookmarks i can see the new tag in my list. -- - Andy ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] New tags not getting added.
Its coolfrog. http://del.icio.us/coolfrogOn 11/29/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Fixing this now. What's your account name?On Nov 29, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Anand Kishore wrote: Hi, I'm facing this bug: When I bookmark a page with a new tag it doesnt show up in My Tags list when i try bookmarking another page. But if i view My Bookmarks i can see the new tag in my list. -- - Andy ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss--joshua schachter[EMAIL PROTECTED]-- - Andy ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] suply tags in a bookmar this link
http://www.beust.com/weblog/archives/000254.html Works great for addind things to my '_tosort' tag. Is that what you were looking for?On 9/27/05, Sergio Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I was reading this post: http://blog.del.icio.us/blog/2005/05/bookmark_this.htmlHas there been more discussions about the possibility of supplyingsome suggested tags to a bookmark this link?I can see the reasons not to do it: it doesn't encourage people to write their own tags, it might be abused, etc...However it could be very useful, for communities of users who want tobuilt sets of bookmarks that all share a particular keyword so theycan be identified as being part of the bookmarks of that community. Maybe a condition to supply suggested tags is that users that followthe link should provide at least one extra tag in order to bookmarkit. This sounds very confusing for the users, tho.Sergio___ discuss mailing listdiscuss@del.icio.ushttp://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
A big use of private bookmarks for me is going to be work intranet bookmarks. I think our legal dept. would go ape if internal product names or various intranet sites were on a public feed. How do others feel about work bookmarks for internal sites? Are there any legal considerations that would prohibit this? -Alan On 7/14/05, Blake West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
This is the equivalent of a private bookmark, right? I tried it, bookmarked a site, added the for:my name tag and saved it. I went back to del.icio.us, logged out and then tried to access the http://del.icio.us/for/myname website and it said I had to be logged in to view it. Excellent! Can you go into more detail about the level of security this provides? Thanks! Joel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joshua schachter Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:20 AM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: [delicious-discuss] for: tags We've just begun rolling out support for tagging items for others. To do so, use for:username where username is the name of the user you want to send the item to. You can see items tagged for you at http://del.icio.us/for/ -- it'll redirect to your own page, which other users will not be able to see. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
It doesn't look like they're completely private. If you bookmark something for:yourself and log out you won't be able to see it at del.icio.us/for, but you'll be able to see it at the main del.icio.us page. --- Joel Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the equivalent of a private bookmark, right? I tried it, bookmarked a site, added the for:my name tag and saved it. I went back to del.icio.us, logged out and then tried to access the http://del.icio.us/for/myname website and it said I had to be logged in to view it. Excellent! Can you go into more detail about the level of security this provides? Thanks! Joel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joshua schachter Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:20 AM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: [delicious-discuss] for: tags We've just begun rolling out support for tagging items for others. To do so, use for:username where username is the name of the user you want to send the item to. You can see items tagged for you at http://del.icio.us/for/ -- it'll redirect to your own page, which other users will not be able to see. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
Yes, but not everybody wants to expose every single item. I imagine it varies between users. We're going to allow purely private stuff, but also private and shared with groups, or private and shared with one other person. This is still social. Joshua Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
I think this is a cool idea. It seems to me to be essentially another inbox, and I think it would be cool to somehow integrate it into del.icio.us/user/inbox. Maybe users could set whether they'd like these posts to be private or not? Maybe users should just automatically be subscribed to the for:user tag when they sign up for an account. Quintus Frimschlowder VIII http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 7/14/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but not everybody wants to expose every single item. I imagine it varies between users. We're going to allow purely private stuff, but also private and shared with groups, or private and shared with one other person. This is still social. Joshua Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
realistically, the current behavior of the inbox is not really what we would term an inbox. it is much more of an aggregator or subscription service. i've been thinking a lot about how to change the inbox to make it make some actual sense, including renaming it (subs? i dunno.) another significant issue is that the inbox tag subs far outweigh the user subs; this seems broken to me. i frequently consider making subs restructed to users and for: or whatever. currently, the inbox is implemented much like the tags themselves, just a separate set of tags in parallel. however, global tag subs usually cause a thousand times more entries to be created than otherwise, so the inbox actually can't go back that many entries (they get deleted after 1000 or so items are in the inbox.) perhaps for: and so the other things that will work like it should work like the inbox does currently, rather than a normal tag? i'm not sure. Joshua On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: I think this is a cool idea. It seems to me to be essentially another inbox, and I think it would be cool to somehow integrate it into del.icio.us/user/inbox. Maybe users could set whether they'd like these posts to be private or not? Maybe users should just automatically be subscribed to the for:user tag when they sign up for an account. Quintus Frimschlowder VIII http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 7/14/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but not everybody wants to expose every single item. I imagine it varies between users. We're going to allow purely private stuff, but also private and shared with groups, or private and shared with one other person. This is still social. Joshua Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
On 7/14/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: realistically, the current behavior of the inbox is not really what we would term an inbox. it is much more of an aggregator or subscription service. I would say that from a user perspective, it is what I would call an inbox. I view it as analogous to emails from various mailing lists that I am subscribed to coming into my Gmail inbox. However, inbox is just a word, and can mean different things to different folk. i've been thinking a lot about how to change the inbox to make it make some actual sense, including renaming it (subs? i dunno.) Subscriptions would be accurate, though I kind of like inbox, personally. For what it's worth, I'll put my vote in for keeping the current title. My del.icio.us inbox gets checked the same way my Gmail inbox, business email inbox, and paper inbox get checked. another significant issue is that the inbox tag subs far outweigh the user subs; this seems broken to me. i frequently consider making subs restructed to users and for: or whatever. I personally like the idea of being able to subscribe to tags, though how often have I followed a link because it showed up in my inbox as a result of being tagged japan or buddhism? Ehhh, maybe once or twice. I have a sub-inbox for the users I am subscribed to, and I try and find the time to check out most of the sites linked from there. Much more useful to me. Still, I dunno, I like the idea of being able to subscribe to tags as well, and I can see it having great utility in certain cases. currently, the inbox is implemented much like the tags themselves, just a separate set of tags in parallel. however, global tag subs usually cause a thousand times more entries to be created than otherwise, so the inbox actually can't go back that many entries (they get deleted after 1000 or so items are in the inbox.) It would be very very nice if users had the option to turn off redundant URLs in their inbox. Every time a very popular link comes through one of my areas of interest, my inbox is flooded. I would be content seeing either the first or last post of each URL in my inbox. perhaps for: and so the other things that will work like it should work like the inbox does currently, rather than a normal tag? i'm not sure. Another idea would be to just have a for text field in the URL posting form. That would almost certainly result in a lot more URLs being for people. Whether that's a good thing or not, I don't know. - QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: I think this is a cool idea. It seems to me to be essentially another inbox, and I think it would be cool to somehow integrate it into del.icio.us/user/inbox. Maybe users could set whether they'd like these posts to be private or not? Maybe users should just automatically be subscribed to the for:user tag when they sign up for an account. Quintus Frimschlowder VIII http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 7/14/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but not everybody wants to expose every single item. I imagine it varies between users. We're going to allow purely private stuff, but also private and shared with groups, or private and shared with one other person. This is still social. Joshua Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
We had this conversation several times before but it's always good to discuss important points. Yes, Delicious is a social bookmarking service but it is also a personal bookmarking service as well. Many of the bookmarks I have are internal only links. I can't even let someone know the title of the website they might be able to view if they were properly authenticated. Because of this, it is impossibly to fully move all my bookmarks over to Delicious, so now I am stuck with 2/3 of my links in Delicious (the publicly viewable ones) and the other third in IE (the extremely private ones - no, they're not porn). I'd like to fully move to Delicious but can't because of this. There were many others who expressed the same request. The goal of this request is not to suppress all sites from being seen; the goal is to fully move to a single, web-based bookmarking system that allows access to one entire set of links rather than several dispersed across multiple platforms. I'm sure others would like to secure some of the websites they frequent and prevent others from seeing them. For example, what about the link to your financial/online banking website. Why give information out that enables hackers to know where you bank? That's just one more tool they can use to phish you more efficiently. How about links to web admin or personal FTP sites? I think it's important to implement this to reduce the dependency on IE, Firefox or other web browsers. Also, this will allow you to access all your links from anywhere in the world with any computer. That's the one primary thing I'm looking forward to. I also expect, if this feature is implemented, I'll be able to have three types of bookmarks stored on Delicious. Most that are open to all who access Delicious, some that are open only to friends and family with the correct password (a limited social bookmark), and a few that are only for myself. That would be very cool. Hope that helps, Joel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake West Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:47 PM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags The aggregation is private. The posts are not. You should be able to see that post on your account itself. This will, however, work with privacy in the future. Joshua ___ Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. -- Blake ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] system:media:video tags not showing up
Conrad Heiney wrote: The system:media:video and system:filetype:* tags used for tagging video aren't showing up in my list of tags, or for autocompletion from existing tags. The audio ones do, though. Is this a bug or by design for some reason? These tags are automatically added in the background and aren't supposed to be used by humans - it happens magically. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] system: tags
previously, there was just system:unfiled; I added the new stuff this weekend. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Pete Freitag wrote: Hey is there a list of system: tags? I didn't know about system:filetype for instance Also I have an idea for a new system tag, system:domain:example.com then you can see all documents people have bookmarked for a specific domain. -- __ Pete Freitag work: http://www.cfdev.com/ blog: http://www.petefreitag.com/ shop: http://www.dealazon.com/ Author of the CFMX Developers Cookbook http://www.petefreitag.com/bookshelf/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
Scott, I've been meaning to add this to Scrumptious for ages, especially since it would be trivial to do so. I'm planning to release a new version in the next couple of days anyway (I've added tag autocomplete, among other things) so I'll try to squeeze this in there too. Making a Greasemonkey script to modify the actual del.icio.us interface in this way would be tough, since you'd have to retrieve the bookmarked page via Ajax (well, Ajah really :-) and get the metadata using regular expressions (since Firefox won't give you an HTML DOM of a page that isn't loaded into the browser). One of many reasons why I believe that a Firefox sidebar is the Right Way to deal with tagging webpages... Cheers, Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Villarosa Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:15 PM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: RE: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL So based on your feedback guys I think this idea would be something more suitable as a Firefox extension, Greasemonkey script, or other web hack. Basically I'm now thinking of something that retrieves keywords from a site's meta tags and suggests those to the user as recommended tags. Anyone know a talented coder that I can collaborate my ideas with? Seriously. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lott Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2005 7:09 AM To: del.icio.us discussion list Subject: Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL On 6/3/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the tag DNA of a URL is made less variable because of reduced independent choice, that seems like a big risk for such a small pinch of syntactic sugar. This phenomenon is easy to observe. I was providing a group of users I work with some default posting tags to get them started based on the section of a site they were posting to and content from their posts. Big mistake. The overwhelming response was to simply accept the defaults as if they are some kind of a priori cataloging system. Virtually NO ONE replaced the starter tags and almost no one even bothered to add tags even with obvious need or glaring dissonance between their posts and the generated recommendations. c -- Chris Lott ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
Clay, Too much synch creates groupthink. As Pietro[1] and Terrell[2] have shown, tag clouds move to an organic distribution pretty quickly, and disruptions to those distributions, as with Pietro's Ajax example, are informative. All this happens without formal recommendations or coordination. would say Surowiecki that this happens *because* there are no formal recommendations -- in the 'Wisdom of Crowds' view, this sort of decentralized independence makes tagging more robust. Interesting point, but isn't this type of feedback loop an important characteristic of scale-free networks? The reason that web links, for example, have a power law distribution is exactly the fact that the most popular sites are the most linked to. My gut feeling is that giving strong feedback about the most popular tags for a given page will enhance, not diminish, the value of these tags by helping the cream to rise to the top. It should also help to eliminate tag forking, such as delicious vs. del.icio.us (although I've noticed from your past comments that you tend to see more value in this type of divergence than many people -- including myself -- would tend to). In any case, the nice thing about the new del.icio.us interface is that we can find out what the effect of the new interface is. Let's wait a couple of months and then compare the distribution of tags created using the older interface with what people are doing with the new one. This should provide plenty of data to judge whether the new approach encourages unhealthy group think. Matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
That would be great, Matt. I've since stopped using your extension since last time I updated Firefox but will be looking forward to trying it out again with the new changes. Thanks for the feedback. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Gertner Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2005 11:07 PM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: RE: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL Scott, I've been meaning to add this to Scrumptious for ages, especially since it would be trivial to do so. I'm planning to release a new version in the next couple of days anyway (I've added tag autocomplete, among other things) so I'll try to squeeze this in there too. Making a Greasemonkey script to modify the actual del.icio.us interface in this way would be tough, since you'd have to retrieve the bookmarked page via Ajax (well, Ajah really :-) and get the metadata using regular expressions (since Firefox won't give you an HTML DOM of a page that isn't loaded into the browser). One of many reasons why I believe that a Firefox sidebar is the Right Way to deal with tagging webpages... Cheers, Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Villarosa Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:15 PM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: RE: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL So based on your feedback guys I think this idea would be something more suitable as a Firefox extension, Greasemonkey script, or other web hack. Basically I'm now thinking of something that retrieves keywords from a site's meta tags and suggests those to the user as recommended tags. Anyone know a talented coder that I can collaborate my ideas with? Seriously. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lott Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2005 7:09 AM To: del.icio.us discussion list Subject: Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL On 6/3/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the tag DNA of a URL is made less variable because of reduced independent choice, that seems like a big risk for such a small pinch of syntactic sugar. This phenomenon is easy to observe. I was providing a group of users I work with some default posting tags to get them started based on the section of a site they were posting to and content from their posts. Big mistake. The overwhelming response was to simply accept the defaults as if they are some kind of a priori cataloging system. Virtually NO ONE replaced the starter tags and almost no one even bothered to add tags even with obvious need or glaring dissonance between their posts and the generated recommendations. c -- Chris Lott ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
So based on your feedback guys I think this idea would be something more suitable as a Firefox extension, Greasemonkey script, or other web hack. Basically I'm now thinking of something that retrieves keywords from a site's meta tags and suggests those to the user as recommended tags. Anyone know a talented coder that I can collaborate my ideas with? Seriously. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Lott Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2005 7:09 AM To: del.icio.us discussion list Subject: Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL On 6/3/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the tag DNA of a URL is made less variable because of reduced independent choice, that seems like a big risk for such a small pinch of syntactic sugar. This phenomenon is easy to observe. I was providing a group of users I work with some default posting tags to get them started based on the section of a site they were posting to and content from their posts. Big mistake. The overwhelming response was to simply accept the defaults as if they are some kind of a priori cataloging system. Virtually NO ONE replaced the starter tags and almost no one even bothered to add tags even with obvious need or glaring dissonance between their posts and the generated recommendations. c -- Chris Lott ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
It seems that some people want an easier-to-use input system, while Clay Shirky seems to argue for harnessing the creativity of human minds for highly relevant catagorization. Shirky might as well argue for deleting the del.icio.us/new interface with the Recommended and Popular tags, and forcing the user to categorize the URL/link without any aid at all, so that the precious tags don't stray from their true meaning. Delicious is one way for storing my links to information the way I percieve it, with my vocabulary. So what if a prepared recommendation fits my vocabulary? Most of the time it won't. How is a mechanical recommendation different from a groupthink, organic recommendation? Poking a hole in my argument, I suppose this recommendation system is hindsight reactionary. It doesn't help when a new vocabulary word is created. Jumping back to Scott Villarosa original topic, which is Recommended tags based on a site's URL, I don't think there's enough information in most URLs to recommend meaningful tags. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
On 6/3/05, Scott Villarosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example: Nobody has bookmarked www.mysiteaboutcars.com. You del it. Del suggests the tags cars, auto, personal and homepage in its 'recommended' tags. Thoughts? If delicious had a recommendation system for untagged pages, that would be nice. Well, actually it may not be as useful as you think. Sometimes I tag my bookmarks in another language. Will this proposal extend to other languages? Even so, if the recommendations disappear after the first person tags it, then this feature would have merit. But, how would you propose getting the recommendations in the first place? What algorithms can succinctly summarize a home page? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
In the NeuroGrid system I used to extract all the words from a page, remove stopwords and then present the most frequently occuring terms to the user as tag possibilities. More sophisticated approaches might use TFIDF or something like that. The main problem with this, and indeed any other approach that involves parsing the page in question, is the time it takes to get the page and parse it. The parsing usually won't take so long, but there will be a few seconds delay to grab the page, and this can be a little frustrating to users who are expecting a quick turnaround such as they currently get with del CHEERS SAM Clifford Caoile wrote: But, how would you propose getting the recommendations in the first place? What algorithms can succinctly summarize a home page? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
I didn't like the idea at first, because when you make it easy by suggesting keywords, people will just be lazy and take them, instead of contributing to the folksonomy. But I liked it better when I realize it's kinda similiar to the Statistically Improbable Phrases feature amazon recently introduced. Example: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805074562/qid=1117760057/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9498151-3994211?v=glances=booksn=507846#sipbody You could pull out the statistically improbable phrases from the web page being tagged. -ofer Sam Joseph wrote: In the NeuroGrid system I used to extract all the words from a page, remove stopwords and then present the most frequently occuring terms to the user as tag possibilities. More sophisticated approaches might use TFIDF or something like that. The main problem with this, and indeed any other approach that involves parsing the page in question, is the time it takes to get the page and parse it. The parsing usually won't take so long, but there will be a few seconds delay to grab the page, and this can be a little frustrating to users who are expecting a quick turnaround such as they currently get with del CHEERS SAM Clifford Caoile wrote: But, how would you propose getting the recommendations in the first place? What algorithms can succinctly summarize a home page? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
