Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
I would like to see the two informations on the same page. Maybe the popular one as a side column. At the very least I would like not to have just a link from one page to the other, but in the tag page the information of how many items are in the popular page. This would tell me if it is worth at all opening that page or not. Interesting. Probably would require a smaller rendering of individual posts, I think. Also in the same page I would like to see the most active users that are using that tag. Or maybe ALL the users that have used that tag (in the links present in the page). In order of how commonly. Or maybe ordered as relative importance of that tag respect to all the tags they have (danger! some math involved). I know this is dangerous ground as it can easily turn on a positive feedback loop where people use common tags just to have their name on the sidebar. On the other hand when you are investigating a new tag you need to know who is using it. This could probably be done much like the related tags, I think. Right now this is generated offline but I've been thinking of changing it to dynamic; if we make it dynamic then this could be an easy add-on I do agree that the popular page should be the front page, after all it represents the cream of the delicious experience. The most delicious delicious. We do have some plans to radically change the front page soon. But again I would like to see the two pages (popular and ?new popular) integrated. Can't we get a different color or an asterisk for new links?\ Good idea. Another thing that I am really missing is, in the popular page, after each link, the 4 (or so) more common tags used to define it. Just the tip of the power law, would be so useful. This one has been on my todo list for quite some time; I just need to make the query go faster. I miss the archive with the pages that were popular in the previous days. I use to find that page a much better source of info on what has happened when I have been away than newspapers, or inbox or external services. Yes, I liked that too. Another query issue there, too -- we changed it a while ago to use the last N posts (approximately one day's worth) to calculate popularity instead of a single day. (Also I think we should lower the number of posts counted, that would make it more dynamic a list) When we open a page regarding a link, like http://del.icio.us/url/b0b9aabd95b24fc3a6b63a294d7d92fd we have the show related items. Does it really need to open another window? Can't it just show or hide some information? Mostly to let users who are interested click to find out. Many people do not really care, it looks like. And can't the information be in the same format as links in the popular page? A bit of standardization would probably help. Not sure what this would look like. Dear Joshua, I have a much longer list of things I would like to see, but I tried to contain myself with things that were on topic of the current thread: delicious appearence and way to present information. Go ahead, that is what we are here for :) Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
One thing I would find useful would be automatic grouping of related tags, or plurals. Things like game and games or recipe and recipes etc. On 10/24/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to see the two informations on the same page. Maybe the popular one as a side column. At the very least I would like not to have just a link from one page to the other, but in the tag page the information of how many items are in the popular page. This would tell me if it is worth at all opening that page or not.Interesting. Probably would require a smaller rendering of individual posts, I think. Also in the same page I would like to see the most active users that are using that tag. Or maybe ALL the users that have used that tag (in the links present in the page). In order of how commonly. Or maybe ordered as relative importance of that tag respect to all the tags they have (danger! some math involved). I know this is dangerous ground as it can easily turn on a positive feedback loop where people use common tags just to have their name on the sidebar. On the other hand when you are investigating a new tag you need to know who is using it.This could probably be done much like the related tags, I think. Right now this is generated offline but I've been thinking ofchanging it to dynamic; if we make it dynamic then this could be aneasy add-on I do agree that the popular page should be the front page, after all it represents the cream of the delicious experience. The most delicious delicious.We do have some plans to radically change the front page soon. But again I would like to see the two pages (popular and ?new popular) integrated. Can't we get a different color or an asterisk for new links?\Good idea. Another thing that I am really missing is, in the popular page, after each link, the 4 (or so) more common tags used to define it. Just the tip of the power law, would be so useful.This one has been on my todo list for quite some time; I just need tomake the query go faster. I miss the archive with the pages that were popular in the previous days. I use to find that page a much better source of info on what has happened when I have been away than newspapers, or inbox or external services.Yes, I liked that too. Another query issue there, too -- we changed it a while ago to use the last N posts (approximately one day'sworth) to calculate popularity instead of a single day.(Also I think we should lower the number of posts counted, that wouldmake it more dynamic a list) When we open a page regarding a link, like http://del.icio.us/url/b0b9aabd95b24fc3a6b63a294d7d92fd we have the show related items. Does it really need to open another window? Can't it just show or hide some information?Mostly to let users who are interested click to find out. Many peopledo not really care, it looks like. And can't the information be in the same format as links in the popular page? A bit of standardization would probably help.Not sure what this would look like. Dear Joshua, I have a much longer list of things I would like to see, but I tried to contain myself with things that were on topic of the current thread: delicious appearence and way to present information.Go ahead, that is what we are here for :) Joshua___discuss mailing listdiscuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
At 04:07 PM 2005-10-23, Chris Lott wrote: Backchannel, someone mentioned Flock as one of those projects. I wonder if the real frontier doesn't lie a but more removed... for instance, some kind of shared schema for social bookmarking that would allow the services to interact. Maybe what we need most is a bookmarks version of RSS that everyone could more easily tap into so the whole space could explode. del.icio.us already has RSS feeds. I aggregate them with other social bookmark sites; I use Omea for an aggregator. My company has an internal social bookmarking service based on Scuttle. It is useful for bookmarking links that are not appropriate to put on del.icio.us. Folks in the Atom community are talking about profiles [1]. Perhaps an Atom profile could be defined for social bookmarking sites. [1] http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg17381.html Paul ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
On 10/24/05, Chris Lott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if the real frontier doesn't lie a but more removed... for instance, some kind of shared schema for social bookmarking that would allow the services to interact. Maybe what we need most is a bookmarks version of RSS that everyone could more easily tap into so the whole space could explode. Heartily agree. Tried flock, but since its value above standard Firefox depends on usage of two specific sites (one I do, one I dabble) I don't think there's a great (in the context of 100M Firefox downloads) future for flock. Until there are ways of integrating the client's choice of tag-site the way one can select search engines in Firefox, I think its an interesting experiment only. Problem for flock is, once that schema/protocol is established, it will be implemented in base Firefox, and their unique proposition will be diluted. Well, that's happened before, but the rate of standardisation and concomitant commoditisation is accelerating. Differentiation will remain in the ease with which the client manages those tag-site relationships. c Hamish. -- http://del.icio.us/Hamish.MacEwan ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
On 10/24/05, Paul Denning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:07 PM 2005-10-23, Chris Lott wrote: Maybe what we need most is a bookmarks version of RSS that everyone could more easily tap into so the whole space could explode. del.icio.us already has RSS feeds. No, no. What I mean is an XML interchange format for the bookmarks themselves that formalized the data so that it would be easier to go from service to service and track other associated information *automatically*. Ultimately this would provide a better mechanism than RSS itself is (or maybe it could be some extension of RSS or ATOM, whatever) for interchange between services. I would like to be able to have links filtered and raised in status based on their presence and linking not just in del.icio.us, but in a federation of bookmark services... then we could maintain the scale that makes the social aspect work while allowing people to choose their own tools as front-ends: spurl, furl, del.icio.us, etc. c ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
Chris accidentally pasted the wrong link. The del.icio.us review is here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1875186,00.asp It's interesting that mainstream PC users, as represented by PC Mag reviewers, find del.icio.us confusing and a cluttered mess in comparison with other competitors. Even with the most minimal design and limited feature set, del.icio.us appears to have a posting rate that's orders of magnitude higher than any other competitors. (I haven't measured this myself). One conclusion that might be drawn from this is that if the real value of social bookmarking is the wisdom of the crowd, then the size of the crowd is more important than the graphic design--even the interface design. Also, it's pretty clear that social bookmarking is a frontier inhabited mostly by early adopters. Who knows what might tip things in th other direction? -- Brian Del Vecchio | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://hybernaut.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
I thought it was a bad review, and not because it was negative. It took me 10 minutes to familiarise myself with del.icio.us - initially, I felt the same confusion as the reviewer. Persistence paid off, though, and it's obvious to me that the reviewer simply didn't persist for long enough. Brian Del Vecchio said: One conclusion that might be drawn from this is that if the real value of social bookmarking is the wisdom of the crowd, then the size of the crowd is more important than the graphic design--even the interface design. I agree, but that's an inside perspective, which the prospective user doesn't have. Looks are an attractive feature for average users. Del.icio.us is ugly because it's square and grey (sad to say). Some other bookmarking sites are ugly (I think) because they're overwhelmingly cluttered. Furl and Spurl have struck a balance. The review is correct on one thing, though: del.icio.us has a steep learning curve (even if it lasts only a few minutes), with little guidance. That's enough to drive users away. - N ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
