[zfs-discuss] Re: OT: extremely poor experience with Sun Download

2007-06-14 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
 Intending to experiment with ZFS, I have been
 struggling with what  
 should be a simple download routine.
 
 Sun Download Manager leaves a great deal to be
 desired.
 
 In the Online Help for Sun Download Manager there's a
 section on  
 troubleshooting, but if it causes *anyone* this much
 trouble
 http://fuzzy.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/sundownloadmana
 gercrap/ then  
 it should, surely, be fixed.
 
 Sun Download Manager -- a FORCED step in an
 introduction to  
 downloadable software from Sun -- should be PROBLEM
 FREE in all  
 circumstances. It gives an extraordinarily poor first
 impression.
 
 If it can't assuredly be fixed, then we should not be
 forced to use it.
 
 (True, I might have ordered rather than downloaded a
 DVD, but Sun  
 Download Manager has given such a poor impression
 that right now I'm  
 disinclined to pay.)

For trying out zfs, you could always request the free Starter Kit DVD
at http://www.opensolaris.org/kits/ which  contains the
SXCE, Nexenta, Belenix and Schillix distros (all newer than Solaris 10).

Beyond that, while I'm sure you're right about that providing a poor
first impression, I guess I'm too old to have much sympathy for something
taking minutes rather than seconds of attention being a barrier to entry.
Yes, the download experience should be vastly improved, but if you let
that stop you, I wonder if you're all that interested in the first place.
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: OT: extremely poor experience with Sun Download

2007-06-14 Thread Graham Perrin

On 14 Jun 2007, at 12:22, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:


I wonder if you're all that interested in the first place.


I'm definitely interested but at
http://www.sun.com/download/faq.xml#q1 Sun shout (with an  
exclamation mark)



Use the Sun Download Manager (SDM) for all your SDLC downloads!


Frankly, I was fairly busy with the thirty-odd steps for what should  
have been a simple download. So busy with those steps, that I didn't  
find time to contradict what was being shouted from the FAQ.


The other download methods are not obvious.
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[zfs-discuss] Re: OT: extremely poor experience with Sun Download

2007-06-14 Thread MC
 Intending to experiment with ZFS, I have been
 struggling with what  
 should be a simple download routine.
 
 Sun Download Manager leaves a great deal to be
 desired.
 
 In the Online Help for Sun Download Manager there's a
 section on  
 troubleshooting, but if it causes *anyone* this much
 trouble
 http://fuzzy.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/sundownloadmana
 gercrap/ then  
 it should, surely, be fixed.
 
 Sun Download Manager -- a FORCED step in an
 introduction to  
 downloadable software from Sun -- should be PROBLEM
 FREE in all  
 circumstances. It gives an extraordinarily poor first
 impression.
 
 If it can't assuredly be fixed, then we should not be
 forced to use it.
 
 (True, I might have ordered rather than downloaded a
 DVD, but Sun  
 Download Manager has given such a poor impression
 that right now I'm  
 disinclined to pay.)
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Sun Download Manager, the split file downloads, and their download tracking 
system (you can't download a file more than once per session, WTF?) are all 
relics of the past.  

Sun would be served well by joining the rest of the internet in the present day 
where people download files from simple http mirrors using existing software on 
their computer.

I'd love for these comments to make it to the right people, but who knows how 
to make that happen.
 
 
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